CPU/Mobo Opteron 144 VS Athlon 3500+

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;) Well my budget for the processor is 10K. I wanna do gaming and work on 3d apps (like Maya, 3ds MAx, etc).

Opty 144(single core opteron) has a 1.8 ghz core but 1mb L2 cache on the other hand Athlon 64 3500+ has a 2.2 ghz core but 512kb cache

Which one should i buy:huh: :huh: :S
 
Definetly opteron dude.
I was in same position as u are right now abt a month ago.
Many people here suggested me to go for opty since 1 mb cache and overclock it.
But i had never overclocked in my life.But anyways i bought the opty 165@1.8ghz
Now i am on 2.55ghz:hap2: and still going for higher speeds.
Now as u are going to work on maya and stuff 1mb cache wud be of great help.
Also opty 144 can be easily oc to arnd 2.4 ghz without breaking a sweat.
Even if u get a bad stepping 2.4ghz is easily achievable.
Buy a decent mobo having oc capabilities though.
Asus a8n-e shud be good now costing abt 5700/-
Also u can get opty 144 for arnd 8k as opposed to 3500+ for abt 10.5k.
Also dont worry anything abt horrors of overclocking,once u get the hang of it,its very easy.
There are many people here at te to help u at that;)
My vote definetly goes to opty 144 and i think that 90% of people here will suggest u an opty:clap:
 
If they are the priced same then AMD 3500+ without a doubt... This is from a person who has an overclocked OPTY 146...
 
Switch said:
If they are the priced same then AMD 3500+ without a doubt... This is from a person who has an overclocked OPTY 146...
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any particular reason switch ..... :-?
 
Yes... He will need to invest in a decent Mobo, decent PSU and decent HSF and maybe a good cabby if he wishes to run his system smoothly... Also he will have to bear the risk of Hardware failure... Thats why i said so... Also its not like that one cant overclock AMD 3500+ ;)...

But as you have put it if you like to overclock then 144 otherwise 3500+...

I have gone through testing atleast 9 144 and trust me some dont go above 2.4/2.5 easily even if same stepping... One of TE leets is running an Opty @1.65 Vcore to reach 2500 stable... Thats the reasone i say if he is getting high speeds at stock without overclocking why sweat it... What he can do is look for a good stepping of 3500 which will indeed help him in future :)...
 
Switch said:
Yes... He will need to invest in a decent Mobo, decent PSU and decent HSF and maybe a good cabby if he wishes to run his system smoothly... Also he will have to bear the risk of Hardware failure... Thats why i said so... Also its not like that one cant overclock AMD 3500+ ;)...

But as you have put it if you like to overclock then 144 otherwise 3500+...

I have gone through testing atleast 9 144 and trust me some dont go above 2.4/2.5 easily even if same stepping... One of TE leets is running an Opty @1.65 Vcore to reach 2500 stable... Thats the reasone i say if he is getting high speeds at stock without overclocking why sweat it... What he can do is look for a good stepping of 3500 which will indeed help him in future :)...
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thats true ..... getting all these things make is really big investment

yeah it all depends upon ur luck but still i think OCing a opty to 2.2Ghz is simple and can be done on stock kooler ..... anyways will not comment more on this as haven't tested any opty :)
 
I would say go for an opty 146. The 3500+ costs more than 10k while the 146 is available for 9.5k( in bangalore at least). And u can easily OC it 10%(cmon switch 10% aint no big deal :P).
 
Hunter i am not against overclocking re... I only said if they are priced same then go for 3500+ else Opty Obviously...

Also even 30% is no sweat ;)...
 
Switch said:
Yes... He will need to invest in a decent Mobo, decent PSU and decent HSF and maybe a good cabby if he wishes to run his system smoothly... Also he will have to bear the risk of Hardware failure... Thats why i said so... Also its not like that one cant overclock AMD 3500+ ;)...

But as you have put it if you like to overclock then 144 otherwise 3500+...

I have gone through testing atleast 9 144 and trust me some dont go above 2.4/2.5 easily even if same stepping... One of TE leets is running an Opty @1.65 Vcore to reach 2500 stable... Thats the reasone i say if he is getting high speeds at stock without overclocking why sweat it... What he can do is look for a good stepping of 3500 which will indeed help him in future :)...
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@ switch,
Is this not true for any system you buy irrespective of overclocking ?? I mean if you want stability, no reboots, no bsod's etc.... and you forgot to add decent rams....:D

Who is it ?? :huh:
 
well see myself got a opty ;) ..havent oced it :D
i am telling u which is cheaper get tht.
Hotstuff i have a sealed venice 3500+ [e6] with bill and 3 years warranty .. its sealed never been used for around 10k lemme kno if ur interested.
 
Hehe great thread..:D

First a lowdown,

144 = 9.5k

146 = 11k

3500+ = 10k

You look at pricing and decide.

3500+ will beat a 144 at stock.

146 will beat a 3500+ at stock.

Lets keep overclocking out of the picture as he hasn't specifically mentioned it ;)
 
Anish said:
Hehe great thread..:D

First a lowdown,

144 = 9.5k
146 = 11k
3500+ = 10k

You look at pricing and decide.

3500+ will beat a 144 at stock.
146 will beat a 3500+ at stock.

Lets keep overclocking out of the picture as he hasn't specifically mentioned it ;)
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my memory has all gone mushy or are you totally getting it incorrect? In A64 architechture, Mhz is the king.

3500+ comes with a 2.2 Ghz stock speed compared to 1.8 Ghz of 144 and 2.0 Ghz of 146. Not to mention the higher multiplier available which can really come in handy when trying to fine tune your (possible?) overclock.

Now getting to the run down.... If the stepping on both the 144 and the 3500 were unknown, I would definitely put my money on a 3500 (stock of 2.2 Ghz, get a average min OC of 400 Mhz and you are good to go).... But if the 144 or the 3500 was a known OCer I would definitely put my money on the one with the higher OC capability.

However, if OC is out of the question, 3500 DEFINITELY by a big margin.....

Hope that clears things up a bit..... and this is from a guy who has very recently purchased a Opteron 165 from a guy who has overclocked a 146 :P
 
opteron 144 costs 9.5k now? nice to see prices going up heh.

anyways i am running my opteron at 2.57ghz. if u plan to overclock then get the opteron 144 otherwise stick to the 3500.
 
@Darky egggjactly...

Thats was my sole resoane for recommending a 3500+ on same price. Anish not everybody wants/likes to overclock.

People who are recommending 146 and saying that overclocki it, Well if you are getting a faster chip for the same price why not get that instead of slower chip which may/maynot overclock(Not to forget will need more investment in other parts). Just because Opty overclock well should not be the criteria for buying one. As for me i am running my 146 on stock as of now. For the simple reasone its summers and i am not able to find a good cooling for it.

@deejay Yes deejay i forgot to add decent rams but all i was reffering to was that he could buy decent Stuff but for overclocking he will need to buy stuff which will cost him a tad more... For Exampls a PSU and definately a Cooler... Also one request plz never use the pink colour to highlight :P

And regarding that member... Well actually he is a jerk... Its the same 144 which i was running stable at 1.425 Vcore for 2500 but this genious somehow manages not to :P... He wrote a XP overclocking guide... I think thats a good enough hint ;)
 
@ Switch,
mon ami, I was speaking in general terms for any stable system ....
overclocking , price etc ....was not at all taken into consideration. specially the merits / demerits of this 3500+ v/s opty 14x discussions.

and yes i will not use pink to highlight in future...but have a thought for guys like me who have diminishing eyesight,:no: and some say mind and thought control too,:D i will be more careful in future....

edit: ps. and switch by mistake you have mentioned the price of venice 3000+ as 55000 please do the needful ...
 
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@ Switch,

mon ami, I was speaking in general terms for any stable system ....

overclocking , price etc ....was not at all taken into consideration. specially the merits / demerits of this 3500+ v/s opty 14x discussions.

and yes i will not use pink to highlight in future...but have a thought for guys like me who have diminishing eyesight,:no: and some say mind and thought control too,:D i will be more careful in future....

edit: ps. and switch by mistake you have mentioned the price of venice 3000+ as 55000 please do the needful ...
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Yup (just my 2 cents :D) an A64 3000+ for around 5500 makes much more sense now that even an opty 144 costs around 9K+.
 
Look, in the end it all depends on your luck and the CPU you get. I say 3500+ because of the higher multiplier and also, many Optys today are not as good as the initialy batch of Opts....

The Venices are still very good for oc'ing.... we have many super ocing Venices on TE itself.
 
I think u guys misunderstood. I said the Opty 146 costs 9.5k, the 144 is 8.5k. So the 146 which runs @ 2 Ghz with 1 MB cache looks pretty good compared to a 3500+ which is 2.2 Ghz 512K cache but costs upwards of 10k.
 
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