PayPal for India residents

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I have really great news for all India residents that have wanted to use Paypal, but could not because they had no way of getting the funds out of Paypal. As any of you know, India residents have had no way of getting Paypal funds out of Paypal unless you have a US bank account, or if you are willing to wait weeks for a check to arrive, and then weeks for the check to clear. Our company www.A1Exchangers.com recently launched a debit card which India residents may purchase. This debit card comes with a US bank account attached to it.

So now all India residents have to do is request Paypal to direct deposit to your new US bank account and the funds are transferred onto your debit card. The debit card can then be used to withdraw cash at any ATM in the world with a Cirrus or Maestro symbol.
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The concept is awesome, but what sorta credibility you guys got ;) ?

Any MNC backing ? , plus which bank are you tying with with in USA ?
 
The concept is good and its not the first time this kind of service has come out.

Its good for US resident or resident from country with strong value currency.

The fees are too much for the comparatively weak Indian currancy.

$3.50 may be negligible amount to withdraw money but then it cecomes useless to withdraw small amounts. and $5 monthly fee is also there.

Good for heavy transaction users. I withdraw my funds using the good old paypal cheque :P

Maybe in future i will thing of tihs service.
 
Anish said:
The concept is awesome, but what sorta credibility you guys got ;) ?

Any MNC backing ? , plus which bank are you tying with with in USA ?
It is not just a concept...it is reality. We are not the first company to offer this service, but our rates are the most affordable. I do not know what MNC backing is, but I assume this is some sort of insurance for the funds on the cards. All cards are CDIC (Canadian Deposit Insurance Corporation)insured, which is the Canadian equivalent of the American FDIC (Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation).

The US bank is First Regional Bank.

With respect to credibility I will point out that our company is new but very stable. To give you an idea of our stability, our company has just been selected by www.e-gold.com to be included in their directory of E-Gold Approved Exchange Providers (Our link should appear in their directory within the next day or two).

As some of you may not be aware, E-Gold is the second largest electronic currency rivaled only by PayPal. There are hundreds of websites which buy and sell E-Gold but we are "Approved" by E-gold. To give you an idea, there are only 15 previous "approved" exchange provders...we will be the 16th.

To become an approved exchange provider, all officers of the company have to forward notarized copies of their IDs to E-Gold. The officers must also expose their financial history to E-Gold and agree to a complete financial and criminal audit. Exchange providers must also sign contracts with E-Gold, they must create a legal corporation, and be compliant with all local jurisdictions' rules, regulations and laws.

A1 Exchangers Admin
 
Funky said:
The concept is good and its not the first time this kind of service has come out.
Its good for US resident or resident from country with strong value currency.
The fees are too much for the comparatively weak Indian currancy.
$3.50 may be negligible amount to withdraw money but then it cecomes useless to withdraw small amounts. and $5 monthly fee is also there.
Good for heavy transaction users. I withdraw my funds using the good old paypal cheque :P
Maybe in future i will thing of tihs service.

The $5 monthly fee is only if there are funds on the card. It is possible to laod funds onto the card, then withdraw all the funds and not use the card for months at a time and not have to pay the monthly fee. The card also never expires.
 
hmmm nice concept..

how about making it something like this. charge a flat rate for one time transfer from paypal.

as i see it you will for a start transfer charge 50$+5+4 for atm withdrawl.

the entry cost itself is pretty steep. do you have any known clients here in India as of now who can give feedback on your service. I might be interested in this.
 
Safin said:
hmmm nice concept..
how about making it something like this. charge a flat rate for one time transfer from paypal.
as i see it you will for a start transfer charge 50$+5+4 for atm withdrawl.

the entry cost itself is pretty steep. do you have any known clients here in India as of now who can give feedback on your service. I might be interested in this.
The fees are set in stone. The cards have been created already and we commited to our card issuer months ago to our fees. This is the first Indian community that I have approached, so I suspect it will take a little bit of time, but eventually one of your board members will see value in our offer and try us out. Once they do, they will probably post a transaction report
 
Of all the days,months and years tht passed by..you guys had to introduce this service today...

I lost an awesome deal of 3 x360 games with a virtual reality headset..all because of the seller only accepts paypal and nothing else :'(
 
madmonkey said:
Of all the days,months and years tht passed by..you guys had to introduce this service today...

I lost an awesome deal of 3 x360 games with a virtual reality headset..all because of the seller only accepts paypal and nothing else :'(

Sorry about that...at least you now are aware of the service.:)
 
Hi mate, now i have tons of doubts before i venture into this but first let make you aware of our Laws Of The Land (INDIA).

It is illegal from what i can garner,

A1Exchangers and Merchant Status. A1Exchangers is not a financial institution and is not in the business of accepting deposits or of conducting banking operations.

If for any reason the contractual relationship between A1Exchangers and the Financial Institution is discontinued and the Cash Card is deactivated while you still have a positive Advance Limit on the Cash Card,

We will make changes on our website from time to time to assist in keeping an appropriate balance of e-currency on hand. This may result in posted exchange rates changing without any prior notice. The rate we charge will be the rate that is posted when your order has been received and funds are cleared.

# No credit checks required

# No bank account required

# Nobody is denied access to our card

# No name appears on the card

# No maximum balance

Now this is a clincher for me. Now, there is a possiblity that you might go the nearest Mastero/Cirrus ATM & get some cash out but it is all illegal, the account linked to the debit card would be some US no name account supposedly with your funds in US dollars.

Now what are the legal documents to link you with that account - NONE as according to merchant banker the account was linked to AIexch in good faith and what they did with is there problem and as they themselves confess they can change the FI linked to the card anytime.

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Now coming to the INDIAN angle of it :


Mother of all Laws FEMA :

Regulation and management of foreign exchange -



Except with the general or special permission of the Reserve Bank, no person can :-


deal in or transfer any foreign exchange or foreign security to any person not being an authorized person;

make any payment to or for the credit of any person resident outside India in any manner;

receive otherwise through an authorized person, any payment by order or on behalf of any person resident outside India in any manner;

Where any person in, or resident in India receives any payment by order or on behalf of any person resident outside India through any other person (including an authorized person) without a corresponding inward remittance from any place outside India, then, such person shall be deemed to have received such payment otherwise than through an authorized

Financial transaction means making any payment to, or for the credit of any person, or receiving any payment for, by order or on behalf of any person, or drawing, issuing or negotiating any bill of exchange or promissory note, or transferring any security or acknowledging any debt.

No person resident in India can acquire, hold, own, possess or transfer any foreign exchange, foreign security or any immovable property situated outside India except with the general or special permission of the Reserve Bank.




The Reserve Bank can, by regulations, prohibit, restrict or regulate the following :-


transfer or issue of any foreign security by a person resident in India;

transfer or issue of any security by a person resident outside India;

transfer or issue of any security or foreign security by any branch, office or agency in India of a person resident outside India;

any borrowing or lending in foreign exchange in whatever form or by whatever name called;

any borrowing or tending in rupees in whatever form or by whatever name called between a person resident in India and a person resident outside India;

deposits between persons resident in India and persons resident outside India;

export, import or holding of currency or currency notes;

A person resident in India may hold, own, transfer or invest in foreign currency, foreign security or any immovable property situated outside India if such currency, security or property was acquired, held or owned by such person when he was resident outside India or inherited from a person who was resident outside India.

The Reserve Bank may, by regulation, prohibit, restrict, or regulate establishment in India of a branch, office or other place of business by a person resident outside India, for carrying on any activity relating to such branch, office or other place of business.



So the point is AIexch has not been authorised by RBI in any form or manner to dole out FOREX $ - Rs or vice versa. This is simply called money laundering and is haven for "Polticians & Terrorists"


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Now about ways to get Foreign currency into India :

RFC (Domestic) Account

A person resident in India can open, hold and maintain with an authorized dealer in India, a Resident Foreign Currency (Domestic) Account, out of foreign exchange acquired in the form of currency notes, Bank notes and travellers cheques from any of the sources like, payment for services rendered abroad, as honorarium, gift, services rendered or in settlement of any lawful obligation from any person not resident in India. The account may also be credited with/opened out of foreign exchange earned like proceeds of export of goods and/or services, royalty, honorarium, etc., and/or gifts received from close relatives (as defined in the Companies Act) and repatriated to India through normal banking channels by resident individuals.

What is foreign Inward Remittances Payment System (FIRPS) ?

Ans. FEDAI has evolved the Foreign Inward Remittance Payment System (FIRPS) to facilitate quick transmission of funds to beneficiaries in India against inward remittances received from abroad through banking channels in rupees as well as foreign currencies. This system is used by authorised dealers for arranging payment of proceeds of personal remittances received from abroad in favour of resident Indians as well as for credit to Ordinary Non - Resident accounts / Non - resident (External) accounts in India of persons of Indian nationality or origin. The essence of the system is that authorised dealers must without delay convert into rupees foreign currency remittances received from abroad in the form of TTs, MTs and Pay Orders and arrange payment of the proceeds by the FIRPS instruments which are encashable at par at all branches in India of all authorised dealers and of other scheduled commercial banks who, though not authorised to deal in foreign exchange, agree to abide by regulations framed by FEDAI, governing issue and encashment of FIRPS instruments. Authorised dealers will be guided by rules and regulations framed from time to time by FEDAI with the approval of Reserve Bank in the matter of issue etc. of instruments under FIRP System. Authorised dealers may also freely employ other methods like money orders, MTs, TTs, drafts and telegraphic pay orders for transmitting inward remittances to beneficiaries but they should bear in mind the need for speed in transmitting funds to beneficiaries, particularly those living in remote parts of the country, in view of the importance attached to inward remittances.

Reference :

Foreign Exchange Management Act (FEMA)

Forex Facilities for Residents (Individuals) - Foreign Exchange Facilities for Residents (As on January 1, 2006)- RBI site

FOREIGN EXCHANGE TRANSACTIONS WITH PUBLIC

NRI Banking - Sending Money to India


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So basically Admin From A1Exchangers i have a few questions for you -

  • When it comes to Obeying Indian Forex Laws do you have any Locus-Standi.
  • You never reveal names of the Financial Institutions which are going to host our No Name Accounts.
  • What are Legal Documents linking us to the Parent Banker.
  • In all these you seem to be just acting like a intermediatry - so ultimately who is answerable just in case the deal falls off due to unforseen circumtances.
  • And finally, in India dealing in Foreign Currency or Acquring Currency via back channels is deemed illegal & is dealt with capital punishment & such deals called "Hawala/Benami" are generally used by Not so ideal citizens if you know what i mean.
  • Only persons authorised by RBI(Reserve Bank Of India) are authorised to appoint banks/money exchangers etc who can deal with such matters and with certain precautions.
 
Till such time A1Exchangers replies to this to our satisfaction, i would request all Indian members not to do any transaction with them. its for your safety.

to A1Exchangers please reply in detail to the points raised by dipdude.

thanks
 
As a mod of this site I would think you would research things a little deeper and offer true valuable advice to your board members as opposed to randomly cutting and pasting snippets of information which are being misrepresented.

There are many Indians who are already using our main competitors debit card which can be found at www.mygcard.com

We offer the identical cards but at a fraction of the load fees compared to MyGcard.

If it is illegal for an Indian to have a bank account outside India, then this is news to me, because that is all they are participating in.

The cards and the funds on the card are CDIC insured (Canadian Deposit Insurance Corporation).
 
Good one dipdude. I was about to talk about FEMA myself.

It is not illegal to have a bank account outside of India, but there are lots of caveats.

And just because they use your competitors' card, does not mean it is legal.

Anyway, what about the no-namedness??

FEMA does mention, exceptions as allowed by RBI, and RFCs are now allowed. But there are a lot of things regarding who and how. But unless the service provider (i.e. you) can establish that you are not violating FEMA, you cannot offer the service in India. Now, if an Indian signs up, you cannot be held liable for it, seeing as how you are not under Indian jurisdiction. But Techenclave is- and CAN be held liable, which is why the mods are wary. The Enforcement Directorate (which enforces FEMA), has recently been granted expanded powers to deal with terrorist money laundering, but the upshot of these new powers is that by tomorrow morning, the TE team could be in jail.

OK, maybe not that bad, because those powers have not been granted...yet. The official orders cannot come out before the next two weeks.
 
A1Exchangers said:
As a mod of this site I would think you would research things a little deeper and offer true valuable advice to your board members as opposed to randomly cutting and pasting snippets of information which are being misrepresented.

There are many Indians who are already using our main competitors debit card which can be found at www.mygcard.com

We offer the identical cards but at a fraction of the load fees compared to MyGcard.

If it is illegal for an Indian to have a bank account outside India, then this is news to me, because that is all they are participating in.

The cards and the funds on the card are CDIC insured (Canadian Deposit Insurance Corporation).

well just cos some others are falling for it doesn't make it legal.

if you would look at sites that offer these services to Indian residents(xoom, westernunion) you are even prohibited from using your paypal account to transfer to India(xoom memntions this clearly)

You have to seek RBI approval before you do any transaction in forex in India.
 
I can answer multiple questions and concerns about the card, but it will be extremely confusing for people on the board to keep track if I try to respod to that single massive post by the mod.

I suggest that either the mod or other board members compile specific questions pertaining to the terms and conditions of our company, and present specific questions one by one. I will be more than happy to take the time and answer every single question that you have.
 
OK, just confirmed -

YOU CANNOT HOLD A FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNT UNLESS

1. You earned that money abroad, and choose to hold it abroad OR

2. You have special permission from RBI.

You CAN have an RFC account (Resident Foreign Currency), BUT these are just foreign currency accounts held in INDIAN banks (or foreign banks IN INDIA).
 
1. You earned that money abroad, and choose to hold it abroad OR

in this case you have to offer an NRE account. it still does not permit you to have US account
 
This is what we are going to do for now,

I am simply here to offer our services. If our services go against what is allowed in your country....don't order the card.

Yep, you are right on the mark you are offering a service that goes against what is allowed in our country, and yes we wont be ordering your card.

Also it is paramount to us that we do not allow our Forums to be used as a means to coax Indian Citizens to break the law. We would not aid or abet any unlawful activity which might cause harm to our Country(terrorist angle) nor allow unsuspecting members to become part of such a foolhardy venture.

We have proved beyond doubt that your services are Illegal in India.

So now all India residents have to do is request Paypal to direct deposit to your new US bank account and the funds are transferred onto your debit card.

From the very first post you have been targetting the Indian audience in our Forum & as it is illegal in our Country we cannot allow it to go ahead.

We are closing this thread indefinetely or until we get contrary proof or a change in Indian Forex Laws.

Further we ask you not to Create Any New Threads On Paypal/A1Exchangers.

Finally, we are glad that you have taken time out to Register on Forums but the activity you want to propagate is out of bounds on TE.
 
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