RAM for the rich and nerdy. Massive Memory Kits unleashed

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RAM for the rich and nerdy:
128GB DDR4 memory kits become reality....

Sure, you’ll have to sell both your kidneys to buy it, but at least now you can finally have 128GB of cutting-edge RAM in your PC.

This week, Corsair announced it is now selling two 128GB DDR4 RAM kits while Kingston touted that its upcoming big-ass set will hit speeds of 3000MHz.

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Not necessary. Nowhere they have mentioned its specifically for professional usage.
As mentioned its for the Rich, the poor and middles can give it a ditch!

Just pray that the upcoming gaming market won't ask pc config. like min. 32gb ram or 64gbram. Esp . GTA 6 or 7 series.
 
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nRiTeCh said:
Not necessary. Nowhere they have mentioned its specifically for professional usage.
As mentioned its for the Rich, the poor and middles can give it a ditch!

Just pray that the upcoming gaming market won't ask pc config. like min. 32gb ram or 64gbram. Esp . GTA 6 or 7 series.
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I can't think of any individual or consumer work that would actually require 128GB of RAM.
And I doubt GTA6 or GTA 7 would require 32GB of system RAM in any senario. The most they might require is 4-8GB of GPU ram. System ram have minimal usage as far as games are concerned. As they are much slower than GPU ram.
So, obviously it is not intended for any enthusiast or consumer market until or unless they want boasting rights.
 
redhotiron2004 said:
:eek: 128GB RAM......
This is definitely targeted towards business and server market. Consumers have no need for more than 16GB of RAM.
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This is consumer grade memory without any of the server class features like ECC. This sort of RAM is not used in enterprise servers. Those servers will be Xeon based and RAM with ECC will be used.

Also making declarations like that consumers have no need for 16GB of RAM is a meaningless. You don't need more than 16GB RAM and you don't know people who have need of that much RAM, that's all. It doesn't mean that there is no market for it.

I have had 16 GB RAM for last 4 years and I make full use of it while running VM's and emulators. I can also make full use of 32/64/128GB of RAM if its available to me and only thing stopping me is that I did not buy it due to cost and technical limitations, not because I cannot make use of it. Similarly, I have been helping a couple of guys build a rig with 32 GB of RAM as they also need to run VM's. Unlike me, they have no interest in gaming. They need personal workstations with lots of RAM for doing experiments with VM's. Its much cheaper to buy consumer grade Hex core CPU's and lots of RAM as compared to buying enterprise class hardware.
 
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And if its affordable then why not??
For desktop needs even a 8gb ram suffices most requirements.
You may occasionally find 16gb or so on a home pc unless that person is a very AA with smooth FPS lover.

Imagine if 128gb hits widely in local markets then chances are pretty bright that the current 4gb/8gb rates will crumble down like anything making way for 32gb+ desktop memories.

And may be years down the min. available ram in the market will be either 4gb or 8gb.

But still its a pretty long way to go.
 
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This is consumer grade memory without any of the server class features like ECC. This sort of RAM is not used in enterprise servers. Those servers will be Xeon based and RAM with ECC will be used.

Also making declarations like that consumers have no need for 16GB of RAM is a meaningless. You don't need more than 16GB RAM and you don't know people who have need of that much RAM, that's all. It doesn't mean that there is no market for it.

I have had 16 GB RAM for last 4 years and I make full use of it while running VM's and emulators. I can also make full use of 32/64/128GB of RAM if its available to me and only thing stopping me is that I did not buy it due to cost and technical limitations, not because I cannot make use of it. Similarly, I have been helping a couple of guys build a rig with 32 GB of RAM as they also need to run VM's. Unlike me, they have no interest in gaming. They need personal workstations with lots of RAM for doing experiments with VM's. Its much cheaper to buy consumer grade Hex core CPU's and lots of RAM as compared to buying enterprise class hardware.
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I am actually amazed as to why do you need to run so many virtual machines at the first place?
I suppose, either you might be involved with some institution or organization that might require you to test those kind of things. Isn't it?

In which case your need for 32GB of RAM cannot be termed as normal consumer specific. Its more like a professional or organizational or lab server class kind of computer that might be required to carry out experiments of various types.

And that's what I meant. A normal consumer or even an enthusiast don't require that much Ram. Even though they are not server grade ram. Still there present use is only in your kind of professional or organizational jobs(not consumer specific).
I even doubt. If there is any consumer grade processor that might be even capable of utilizing more than 32GB of ram without slowing down. Practical utilization is more important than show off. Even in your case Just assigning off 16GB of ram to one Or 2 VM doesn't mean they require it. Getting my drift?

I won't mind cheaper rams. But, these 128GB ram are useless for normal consumer as:
1 Games don't use system ram.
2 there is no app or program that a normal consumer run that would require that much ram(you are not a normal consumer. Refer above).
 
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^^ You have a very narrow and heavily opinionated view of who constitutes a retail consumer. You are limiting your definition to novice computer users and a segment of gamers. This segment is not the start and end of retail consumers. Tech enthusiasts come in various flavors and they all constitute retail consumer market albeit maybe the topmost cream of it. This is consumer grade RAM intended for certain enthusiast segments.

To answer your other questions, my rig and all its used for is for purely personal use and for my interests as an tech enthusiast (gaming, overclocking, casual benchmarking, trying our various operating systems, programming and several others) It has nothing to do with my professional work. Same for the other guys that I mentioned. In fact they have no interest in gaming and are not even going to get a dedicated GPU. They have personal interests in interconnected and distributed systems and few other areas. They are spending money for their interests and hobbies.

Over the last 15 years, at any point of time, I have been running 5 or more OS flavors on my rigs. Earlier, I used to install them directly, now, I run them on VM's so I can run more than one at a time and without disturbing my main host OS. Right now I have Windows 8.1, 3 flavors of Linux and 2 versions of Mac OS X in VMs. I can run a Windows 8.1 VM with a Windows Phone project running in a Windows Phone emulator (which is a VM in itself) in window while running linux or Mac OS in another windows on second display.

I do not use my personal rig for office work nor office resources for personal use. I have two company issued workstation class laptops, various mobile devices and access to as many VM's as I want for my office work.
 
redhotiron2004 said:
A normal consumer or even an enthusiast don't require that much Ram.
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some 23 years back when I first wrote my program the system in our lab had 128kB of RAM. when I heard that the newer machines came with 1MB of RAM, I thought the same thing. look at where we are at now.
 
My first exposure to computers and programming also happens to be 23 years back and it was a 80186 machine with less than 1 MB of RAM and no HDD. There were two 5.25" floppy drives and rendering a mono bitmap image file from the floppy used to take more time than loading a high end game in this era.

I bought my first PC in early 1997 and it was a local branded machine with a Pentium MMX 166 MHz, 16 MB RAM (upgraded to 32 MB later) and a 2 GB HDD.

Even till 1998, most people still had 486 or Pentium machines with 8~12 MB RAM and 500 to 2 GB HDD.

Then in late 1998 or so, I assembled my first PC and people who didn't know about my first computer thought me crazy when they saw during the POST screen that the rig I built had 16 MB RAM in it. They asked me why I got so much RAM. Then I clarified to them that what they just saw was the amount of VRAM on my Riva TNT graphics card and that the system had 64 MB RAM and 23 GB HDD space.

I personally never believed in such imposed limits when it comes to technology. Often, the only limiting factor when it comes to technology is the cost. I would not spend excessive amount of money, but I would still try to find the sweet spot max that I could make use of and afford.
 
redhotiron2004 said:
I am actually amazed as to why do you need to run so many virtual machines at the first place?
I suppose, either you might be involved with some institution or organization that might require you to test those kind of things. Isn't it?
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Probably talking with examples will clarify your picture.
I presently have a Windows 2003 VM that hosts an SAP EHP 7 version with Oracle 10g and requires 8 GB RAM to work smoothly.
And it has just 2 SAP instances compared to 5-8 instance used in industries
This being the older versions of OS & DB, I will probably have to allot 16 GB or more RAM if i need to have a same set up on a Windows 2012 server.

To change the flavor, I can install the same software on different OS(Solaris,RHEL,Windows,etc.) version with different DB(Oracle,MS Sql,Max DB,etc.) - 32 or 64 bit and the permutation combination goes on
Here CPU does not improve performance as SAP uses Work Processes(Same as threads in Java) and table sorting,insertion,searching,etc are more memory specific.

This is the scenario I have.

Similarly a hacker enthusiast will have multiple OS running multiple scanners and brute force applications.
Talking about industries, we had servers running from as low as 192 GB RAM for VM's with 4 replicas as standby for high availability.

So as the level of enthusiasm changed from simple C++, Java programming, I had to upgrade my system from 2 to 8 Gb of RAM(4 times)

PS : My system is still giving memory bottleneck issues when i run my VM's:(
 
The general perspective for vms is that you definitely need a good physical ram stock else what you will allocate to the vms is simply a bitter adjustment between host resources.

On a win 7 host with vms running two os flavours would require an easy 8gb physical ram.

Again, during running both vms simultaneously, what more stuff you run inside them adds more to the bottleneck. So may be 8gb won't suffice there.

So its all situation dependable scenario.

If affordable, anybody playing with vms will love to go for 16gb. Me being one of them as I run win 7 as host and win xp, 2k8, 2k3 as vms with all interconnected. And win 7 host runs resource intensive stuff at times.

So my current 8gb isn't at all sufficient. And I dont like to compromise on n speeds atleast. But given the cost factor
I' m restricted and have to manage.
 
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