Forum Feedback Regarding the new GO rules.

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Alright so where should we draw the line. Nowhere?

Allow members to create as many GOs they want? And yet charge 1500 from dealers every month?

How do we make sure that the member is not a dealer rep.

Or are you suggesting that we do not charge any amount from anyone and let everyone run amok.
 
I am simply stating that if we have lesser deals to choose from, and the deals we have don't turn out to be attractive, the new rules will only be counterproductive for the forum.
I merely hope this is discussed more before member GOs are neutered.

Its simply unbelievable. I mean in principle, member GOs are for helping out fellow members and not for profit. How is that limits are being set to how much a fellow member can help? This is simply beyond me.:S

I always thought TE was a community first and profit was secondary. :no:
Please correct me if I am wrong as I am usually extremely stupid in such things.
 
Minimum no. of post for creating a GO?

The members can verify where the couriers are coming from..?

the account name..?

Instead of getting irritated say "lets all of brain storm and find the best way" you always have the last say...:P

any way i ate you head enough..gudnite :P

I appreciate that we could discuss it like this, openly..thats wat i like abt TE..:)

kudos to mods..:clap:
 
I am simply stating that if we have lesser deals to choose from, and the deals we have don't turn out to be attractive, the new rules will only be counterproductive for the forum.
Close the unattractive deal and start an attractive deal.

Its simply unbelievable. I mean in principle, member GOs are for helping out fellow members and not for profit. How is that limits are being set to how much a fellow member can help? This is simply beyond me.:S
How do we ensure that the member GO are for helping out fellow members and not for profit. How do we make sure that the dealers are not in a disadvantage by paying the fee and yet getting pipped by a dealer rep who is posing as a normal member helping people. This is simply beyond us too :S

I always thought TE was a community first and profit was secondary.
Its still a community and there is no profit to be made here. What we are charging is hardly any profit, its merely a control measure. Which would be used in operational expenses when need be.

Instead of getting irritated say "lets all of brain storm and find the best way" you always have the last say..
That was an open question which I want you all to consider before you reply. Not irritated in the least. :P
 
as long as we are free to talk about this , and the mods are acessible , and the rules are written in html, and not stone, i think there is still room for change.

If someone who is planning to start a GO and feels limited by the new rules, they can post now , or whenever they want to, and I'm sure the mods will look into it.

Till then, discussing hypothetical situations does not get us anywhere. the rules were put in place to fix existing limitations, and new ones can be added/removed to fix any geniune problems due to these rules
 
Alright for a change lets attract the comments of dealers and members who create GOs. How will the rules effect them.

Also everyone was talking about coming to a common ground by discussing. Suggest something effective. I will now leave the floor for discussion. Will intervene tomorrow since its Diwali and I am in pune doing nothing. :(

@greenie - amen!
 
c'mon. Limiting member GOs to 1 is not a solution at all. Its just an easy way out.

How do we ensure that the member GO are for helping out fellow members and not for profit. How do we make sure that the dealers are not in a disadvantage by paying the fee and yet getting pipped by a dealer rep who is posing as a normal member helping people. This is simply beyond us too

Not if the member is reputed. If there are aspersions about a particular member, I don't see a reason why it can't be made public. Instead, I feel, member GOs should be made more transparent, so that everyone knows where the money is going.

Online purchases are still nascent. Crippling them is not going to help.

I do feel for the online dealers. They are providing us with an awesome service, and their interests must be protected. I do understand that online shopping comes with a premium for the comfort. But if they can't compete with market prices, how will they win new customers?

I don't for instance expect that TE will start censoring price updates so that it doesn't affect the dealer, but they are competing with the market and not member GOs for Gods sake.

I mean, if a member can provide better prices legally, he is for better or for worse, simply just another fish in the pool and the dealers who have tie ups with distributors, can surely match that price.
 
..:: Free Radical ::.. said:
c'mon. Limiting member GOs to 1 is not a solution at all. Its just an easy way out.

Not if the member is reputed. If there are aspersions about a particular member, I don't see a reason why it can't be made public. Instead, I feel, member GOs should be made more transparent, so that everyone knows where the money is going.

well i dont see why you keep repeating the same line over and over again?

If a "Reputable" member already has a Go running and manages to come across another "too good to be missed" deal, he can always get in touch with a Mod and an exception can be made? Am sure a reputable/old member would do no different.
 
@rene

As you had mentioned earlier in this thread, these new rules came about as a reactive measure. ie; they were created because someone tried to act in a dishonest manner/circumvented the rules.

I strongly feel that it would make a lot of sense to publicly name such a person so that forum members here can know who the said person was and be aware of his behavior.

Quiet a few related and maybe not so directly related issues just came up in my mind, rather than create another thread, i'm listing them out here.

1. we have iTrader ratings. but, on a casual observation, its only going to show whether a person has a rating or not. right? it's going to be some number..

Trader Rating: (2 Overall)

like this ^^

At a glance, there is no way for a member to know whether someone has rated a person for a negative deal. imo if this could be implemented it would make the iTrader ratings a lot more wholesome.

2. and i would again like to reiterate my previous point since it seems to have slipped past the attention of most of those who have accessed this thread.

Create a mechanism that holds a dealer RESPONSIBLE for delivery of products withing a specified predefined timeframe. Make this commitment a compulsory part of all deals.

3.
# Posting DEALER contact details (Phone#, Email/IM etc.) in GO threads is strictly prohibited. All communication to and fro dealers must be carried out by PMs or by posting in respective threads. For emergencies, any MEMBER can get in touch with Moderators to obtain DEALER contact details.

This is one of the clauses in the rules for the dealers section. It gets flouted/circumvented by linking to dealers profile page more often than not. In fact i am sure that almost every dealer has broken this rule.

4. Could someone clarify the exact purpose behind the dealer section? Was it to provide a platform for market access to Dealers? or was it for providing members access to hard to obtain hardware? or MOST SIGNIFICANTLY was it to provide members with an easy+convenient access point to Very Good/Best deals for hardware? Very often one gets to see rates that are horrendous by even market standards. As is obvious such a thread is not found to be favorable in the most part. however, TE is attracting a lot of newcomers and they might end up making purchases in such cases where they are paying well above market rates.

5. Then arises the case of dealers using TE as a front for their respective Online stores. This a recurring issue which hasn't exactly been dealt with in full. If it has, the news of the same has obviously not managed to reach the common members.

Using one's online stores shopping cart processing backend is one thing, But merely using a TE dealer thread as an advertising thread to redirect a member to one's online store, where i have to make my purchase at the rate listed for the public is something totally different. When that happens, all the dealer is obtaining is publicity for his store via the Dealer section thread. TE or the members here are not gaining anything out of such a thread. The member might as well directly make his purchase from said website without even having opened the dealer section thread.

What i am trying to say is that, the dealers should provide some kind of incentive to a buyer to buy from him rather than just walk out and buy the product from any online/offline store. Buying at rates which are valid for all public access to one's store is just not done. It's nothing but cheap publicity.

6. I remember how some time back there had been a hue and cry raised over hidden taxes which weren't being mentioned in Dealer threads by certain dealers. Could the rules page be amended to include a clause that makes it compulsory for all forms of expenses that a member might have to undertake to be clearly mentioned in the Dealers threads. I am referring to things like taxes, shipping amounts etc. It would be very easily possible for dealers to provide exact shipping costs. I have seen most doing it, so it shouldn't be too much of an issue to make the rest do it as well.

7. And finally, back on topic. Guys, too much regulation killed the cow/crow/curious cat. Let people make GO's let dealers make Dealer Deals. If someone(member/dealer) has any issues with any other (Deal/GO) the thread can be locked for moderation. Simple as that. Rather than try and implement blanket regulations in advance it would make WAY more sense to have things handled on a case by case basis.

ps-pardon me for the ginormous post :ashamed:
 
+1 sTALKEr.

Rave said:
well i dont see why you keep repeating the same line over and over again?

The reason being that I just find this rule very absurd. I just made 2 posts to opine and is that being exaggerative?

If you consider my opinion unwelcome, I guess I should just shut up and leave this thread.

Its tragic to see this happen to my beloved TE.

So much for my inputs :no:

Maybe I am being myopic.

I wish you all luck for your future envisages. I hope they benefit the community.
 
sTALKEr said:
@rene

As you had mentioned earlier in this thread, these new rules came about as a reactive measure. ie; they were created because someone tried to act in a dishonest manner/circumvented the rules.
:P Rules didnt come about as a reactive measure. The action would be taken as a reactive measure against the new GO threads.

To rephrase we are not going to review the thread and then make it live. We will review the thread after it goes live and then decide. Hence reactive.

Rather than try and implement blanket regulations in advance it would make WAY more sense to have things handled on a case by case basis.
Thats what we said. We will review it case on case basis for threads that clash.

I guess the issue that now remains is whether 1 running GO per member is a wrong limitation. Bear in mind its running GO, he can always close a previous GO and start a new one.

Anyway will read the rest of your post later. :P
 
Another thing i just came across.

Other than the Hall of Shame in the iTrader mainpage, i have no way of knowing which member received a negative/neutral rating. Just goes to defeat the whole purpose of giving ratings maybe?
 
Renegade said:
I will now leave the floor for discussion. Will intervene tomorrow since its Diwali and I am in pune doing nothing. :(
Why doing nothing? Why not join me for a for steaming cuppa if you dont mind? :hap2:

Or better still why not try your hand at caliberating a spanking new 50 incher panny? (I'll most prolly get the delivery tomm noon)
 
sarang said:
Why doing nothing? Why not join me for a for steaming cuppa if you dont mind? :hap2:

Or better still why not try your hand at caliberating a spanking new 50 incher panny? (I'll most prolly get the delivery tomm noon)
Hey, thanks for asking. Really appreciate it. Will discuss over PM. :cool2:
 
I agree with Stalker.

Its hightime that a growing community like Techenclave started having that balance in place. This would make the newer members aware of the situation and know better on what advice are they getting and if at all a deal is worth the pursue.

Maybe a challenge system is also in place where dealers and members can contest the negetive rating. Less intervention from mods and that too on a case by case basis.

I know what i look for in TE. usually used hardware and a place where i can give it off to someone who may have better use of it. I know i am not making any money. The market here is being exploited by a few dealers, who are here to just advertise. Might as well just put up a banner linking your webportals rather than the whole dealers section. I mean why even have something like this here. Have any kind of free for all at your own respective market portal. I wish the mods would realise this soon enough, ( I am pretty sure they do, Since all of them whom i have met are above normal intelligence :P ) The only question now remains, why do they let it go unnoticed.

If i recall right, I remember the stand TE took when dealers ( then posing members ) hit the shores. And it was for a pretty good reason too. I feel somewhere down the line we have forgotten it.
 
Frankly, There are very few member GOs that are based completely on a non-profit motive

Also, I find it difficult to understand how a member (regular, with no commercial interests) can find 5 hot deals at the same time and runa GO for them together

But if someone indeed comes across multiple sweet deals and wishes to organize multiple GOs, why not PM a mod and ask em to raise an exception

Renegade, why not just add a line item to he rules saying that exceptions can be made to the rule if seen fit.....

On a related but offtopic note, I recently saw a thread deleted since it linked to an online shopping site (desi)

Now I am not sure what the content of that post was (maybe it was blatant advertising) , but if a regular member (say I) find some superslick online deals on maybe a futurebazaar or a new Desi shopping site, Can I not post it?
 
superczar said:
Frankly, There are very few member GOs that are based completely on a non-profit motive

Also, I find it difficult to understand how a member (regular, with no commercial interests) can find 5 hot deals at the same time and runa GO for them together

But if someone indeed comes across multiple sweet deals and wishes to organize multiple GOs, why not PM a mod and ask em to raise an exception

Renegade, why not just add a line item to he rules saying that exceptions can be made to the rule if seen fit.....

On a related but offtopic note, I recently saw a thread deleted since it linked to an online shopping site (desi)

Now I am not sure what the content of that post was (maybe it was blatant advertising) , but if a regular member (say I) find some superslick online deals on maybe a futurebazaar or a new Desi shopping site, Can I not post it?

Well i already made it clear about the exception part, if the deal is really that good, just PM a mod and an exception can definitely be made

a member GO will happen only if hes getting a stunning deal from his dealer or if hes getting a considerable discount on a product or some nominal discount if the item is bought in bulk and that too wont be more than 1-2% so why take the trouble for that?

and if its the former two then one thread is definetly enough, and if it isint, and the deal is good then as i said, just PM a mod, i dont see whats troubling here..

about posting link to a product on sale in a website, that can definitely be done in the hotdeals section although threads or links which are obvious advertisements often find themselves deleted

@ Free Radical

I didn't mean to offend you or your input in anyway, am just saying there's an exception that can be made as already pointed out in the posts above, there's always flexibility in the rules for the benefit of the members unlike quite a few other forums were creating such a thread or posting in it would call for a ban and a new absurd rule hehe
 
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