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[Vagabond]

This is to report member @TerrorBlade

I came across 2 sales thread among many by the said member and since I was interested in an Ipod and PSP I contacted him.

The conversation moved on to Whatsapp and it contains the negotiation details in which the price of both combined was fixed at Rs.3200/- as he mentioned that the PSP battery might be dead which he didn't even mention in his thread.

I had also specifically asked the seller to use DTDC.

Things began to fall apart after the package arrived via Speedpost.

Right out of the box the PSP didn't work. The charger didn't work either. The seller behaves as if he is doing me a favour and also blocked me on Whatsapp saying he blocked me for my poor English which he feels is infectious.

In the TE PM where the conversation started I added a few members from Gaming section. I tried the PSP charger in every socket at home but didn't work. As the PSP charger was in 2 parts viz., a power chord and a brick and I have a PS3 I was suggested to use the PS3 cable for the brick which worked.

Here I found out another issue the battery wasn't might be dead as in a battery that quickly discharges at the end of it's life it was completely shot and from the conversation that followed he mentioned it was completely dead and for the pics he used the PSP without battery.

After all this the seller offers me a mere sum of Rs.100/-

Out of my pocket I will have to shell out for a charger. I had to buy a battery for Rs 850.

I promised the PSP to my nephew and out of anticipation before the PSP arrived post paying the seller I also bought a memory card adapter for Rs 350.

I am not asking for my money back in any way or form. What I am trying to say is deals are performed here on the basis of trust and goodwill and you can clearly see here that I was mislead by the seller who withheld crucial information from me.

This has led to unexpected costs at my end.

Hence, I would request you to please check the details of the seller in question. On checking you will find out that his interest on this forum lies only in Market section and he treats the forum as a dumping ground and deceiving people like us who venture into buying stuff from him not fully aware about his deceptive nature.

Please make a note of this member and I would request all of you to help resolve my situation and till the time it is resolved and agreed upon by both parties prohibit him from conducting any further business here.[DOUBLEPOST=1456639479][/DOUBLEPOST]Tagging market section mod - @rakesh_ic

 

[anu0512]

The seller is belong to which city ?

 

[Vagabond]

Delhi

 

[Sobirvs]

what an ass.

 

[anu0512]

People living in Delhi they can help you.

 

[TerrorBlade]

Im going to reply once as this matter has been discussed in detail with a lot of well known TE members over PM (including @rakesh_ic)

"This is to report member @TerrorBlade
I came across 2 sales thread among many by the said member and since I was interested in an Ipod and PSP I contacted him.
The conversation moved on to Whatsapp and it contains the negotiation details in which the price of both combined was fixed at Rs.3200/- as he mentioned that the PSP battery might be dead which he didn't even mention in his thread.
I had also specifically asked the seller to use DTDC.
Things began to fall apart after the package arrived via Speedpost."

Buyer did mention preference for DTDC. However, I did package the items in proper bubble wrap and sent via SpeedPost. Same was received by him in perfect condition(he confirmed this). No problem here.
The issue about the battery being dead was clearly communicated to the buyer before he even considered buying the PSP. There was no hidden surprise here. I had not mentioned it on the thread and I had asked the buyer to pardon me for the same.

"Right out of the box the PSP didn't work. The charger didn't work either. The seller behaves as if he is doing me a favour and also blocked me on Whatsapp saying he blocked me for my poor English which he feels is infectious."

Buyer had mentioned that the PSP itself was working perfectly. This is a new development that he is posting on the thread to somehow add more content to his case. Buyer did experience problem with the charger and my request was to get it tested out by a repair person so that he can confirm. Yet, he continuously whatsapped me. Moreover, the mods on our PM conversation preferred that the conversation took place over PM rather than whatsapp so that they can keep track of the situation. I abided by that and limited the conversation to TE chat. Have been active on that ever since.

"After all this the seller offers me a mere sum of Rs.100/-"
My offer was for half price of a new charger because I had tested the charger and clicked photos of a working unit(without a battery) to make sure everything was in order before shipping it. This offer was made even before the buyer had tested the charger problem. I would have negotiated further if he came back to me with his findings. Instead, 3 weeks later, I just see a negative feedback from him. He didn't even try to come back and negotiate.The mods on the section can attest to this. After this post, Im convinced that I don't want to continue to deal with him in any way.

"I promised the PSP to my nephew and out of anticipation before the PSP arrived post paying the seller I also bought a memory card adapter for Rs 350."
Irrelevant Point in the thread

"Hence, I would request you to please check the details of the seller in question. On checking you will find out that his interest on this forum lies only in Market section and he treats the forum as a dumping ground and deceiving people like us who venture into buying stuff from him not fully aware about his deceptive nature."
Yes, I haven't been active in a long time. I did have some items that I wanted to sell off(as they were lying around, unused). The argument he is trying to make is highly fallacious. There is no correlation between being active in the market section and treating the forum as a dumping ground. In fact, I had no problems selling my RAM sticks(https://www.techenclave.com/communi...b-2x2gb-1600mhz-cl-8-ram.178240/#post-2072886) and got this positive feedback very recently: https://www.techenclave.com/community/trade/feedback/seamless-fuss-free-deal.90932/view. This is just to show that I'm not out to cheat anyone and treat TE as a dumping ground. I've been a member of this forum for a long time now and have a lot of respect for it. Do I deserve the title of a fraudulent member just because a part of a deal went sour and the buyer was incommunicado for a long time after he was asked to check for the issue?

@Sobirvs : Please refrain from making conclusions based on a one-sided story.

That's all I wanted to say. Thank you.

 

[Vagabond]

Buyer did mention preference for DTDC. However, I did package the items in proper bubble wrap and sent via SpeedPost. Same was received by him in perfect condition(he confirmed this). No problem here.

Well, the deal amount was fixed on the fact you will be using DTDC. After price finalization you without mentioning it me sent the items via speed post. Totally unfair to execute a deal just to gain few bucks out of the deal.

The issue about the battery being dead was clearly communicated to the buyer before he even considered buying the PSP. There was no hidden surprise here. I had not mentioned it on the thread and I had asked the buyer to pardon me for the same.

You mentioned "may be dead" , "let me check that for you" were you words exactly on whatsapp.

Buyer had mentioned that the PSP itself was working perfectly. This is a new development that he is posting on the thread to somehow add more content to his case. Buyer did experience problem with the charger and my request was to get it tested out by a repair person so that he can confirm. Yet, he continuously whatsapped me. Moreover, the mods on our PM conversation preferred that the conversation took place over PM rather than whatsapp so that they can keep track of the situation. I abided by that and limited the conversation to TE chat. Have been active on that ever since.

New development ? How can a PSP work with dead battery and faulty adapter ? When I contacted you and told the problem you suggested try few times it will work !! Didn`t you knew already about it ?

The conversation for all this deal was created by me (not sure but I think being creater of conversation only I was able to invite people), it was me myself who sought help from gaming experts @Ethan_Hunt , @quan chi @prabs for helping me in this matter, after all it was me who was suffering with the deal. And @rakesh_ic can confirm who sought moderator help here.

I pasted all the whatsapp conversation on the conversation with everyone including the mods.


My offer was for half price of a new charger because I had tested the charger and clicked photos of a working unit(without a battery) to make sure everything was in order before shipping it. This offer was made even before the buyer had tested the charger problem. I would have negotiated further if he came back to me with his findings. Instead, 3 weeks later, I just see a negative feedback from him. He didn't even try to come back and negotiate.The mods on the section can attest to this. After this post, Im convinced that I don't want to continue to deal with him in any way.

My finding was confirmation to your lies. Your offer like charity to pay half of it is not acceptable. There was problem with the adapter and you want to compensate only half of it ? Hows that fair ?

Come back to negotiate - what you think this forum is, dump your items with falsified information, if buyer complains offer partly compensation, get out of it?

I gave the feedback negative straight forward - I did moreover for big reason, so that people will be aware of it. On the other hand for Ipod deal I gave you neutral one but for that too you gave me negative feedback, care to explain ?

Most important part - when the mod @rakesh_ic was called to sort out, he responded well about the matter on last Wednesday. But, you haven`t even replied to his reply.

Now that I have openly created the awareness thread, you come in flying to clean it off huh ?

If you want to clean it - remove my negative feedback, don`t want money but send me new adapter (same address, don`t mind if you send via speed post) and abide.

 

[prabs]

@Vagabond and @TerrorBlade - As part of that conversation I am well aware of the details.

I would simply suggest that instead of mudslinging you settle this as returning and refunding at this stage will only cause more trouble. Vagabond has spent money on it and you will have to refund the amount you initially took plus what he spent on it. Should it get damaged in transit the matter becomes even worse as you loose out on the PSP and Vagabond looses out on the money he spent on it.

So all in all neither of you win.

@Vagabond - Please confirm if the PSP is now working fine apart from the charger issue as the charger remains in dispute. If it is do you wish to keep it?

@TerrorBlade - On your part I think you should buy him a charger or if the brick works simply get him a power cord. @Vagabond please confirm if the brick works.

Now I understand the feedback is also an issue and can understand that both of you feel the other wronged you but stuff happens and what happened was really unfortunate. If you guys could reverse that for each other then well and good because you are only hurting each other's reputation and nothing more.

These were my suggestions the rest is upto you 2 and the mods.

P.S.: @TerrorBlade also apologize to Vagabond for referring to him as retard in your conversation with him. There was no need for you to refer to him as that.

 

[rakesh_ic]

Agreed with everything that @prabs said here.

I tried to tell you guys the same on our conversations. I dont care if both parties had read it or responded to my reply there, but I think the charger is on the seller to get it right as his initial conversation when the problem was reported seem to be not a surprise at all.

@Vagabond - As I said in the conversation, speedpost or DTDC was never ever confirmed by both parties. You only mentioned about it when the seller said he will check with bluedart and thats all in the whatsapp convo you shared. And, the parcel was safe as you have no dispute on it. So there isnt anything to complain about the mode of shipping.

@TerrorBlade - 100 of 350 (which you have mentioned as the price, I dint check if the price is correct or not) neither is half the amount and nor is fair. Buy him the part thats not working and clear this off. Why drag it for 250 bucks?

 

[TerrorBlade]

@Vagabond: "You mentioned "may be dead" , "let me check that for you" were you words exactly on whatsapp. "

Dude, I said that it was dead and took 500 off the price. How was that unclear? You're bullshitting now.

@rakesh_ic: Im not going to refund the entire amount of a brand new charger. This is not the sale of a brand new item that I have to replace something for the entire cost of a new one. Even when you sell stuff on reglobe.in (say), they take a little bit of the price off incase you're missing the adapter, headphones, etc. The buyer could have bought another used charger from somewhere incase he found it faulty and I can refund him 300 INR at max for the same.

"New development ? How can a PSP work with dead battery and faulty adapter ? When I contacted you and told the problem you suggested try few times it will work !! Didn`t you knew already about it ?"

I sent you pictures without the battery in the unit. It was working with the cord plugged in.

Im happy to pay back 300 to the buyer provided the negative comment is removed. If the comment won't be removed, so be it. No action would be required from my end in that case.

 

[rdst_1]

The only thing that really seems out of place is how could you forget to mention that the battery is dead in the thread itself.
As a buyer, such a revelation midway during negotiations would ring the alarm bells for me.

If only the power cord is faulty then it shouldn't be much expensive I presume. So paying for a new power cord should be enough to end the matter.

@Seller - You can't equate selling on a site to selling on a forum. Your explanation defies logic when you say that you won't pay for a brand new charger when you didn't sell a brand new charger. The thing is that you were supposed to provide the buyer with a working charger. Now if you expect the buyer to scrounge for a used working charger then that's completely wrong because you were supposed to provide him one.

 

[Vagabond]

@prabs - Yeah the PSP is working fine, no issues.

@rakesh_ic I didn`t ignore your comments on conversation but was waiting for terrorblade to reply. I always knew that TE members / mods will understand my concerns and do the needful.

@TerrorBlade It is not about just the money I lost trying to get it to work but also the hurtful comments you made when I was trying to get the problem sorted.

 

[prabs]

@TerrorBlade - Do respond at earliest so that we can close the matter.

@rakesh_ic - As a mod can you act as a mediator here?

 

[TerrorBlade]

My logic was centered around Vagabond buying a charger for whatever price he finds and then making me pay for it. Im obviously not willing to sell a working Psp 2000 for 650 rupees if I were to refund him 850 rupees(he claims to have bought a charger for this amount.

Regardless, I found this :https://m.ebay.in/itm/251475132649?aff_source=Sok-Goog&ul_ref=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F4686-213761-11394-72%2F2%3F%26mpre%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fm.ebay.in%2Fitm%2F251475132649%3Faff_source%3DSok-Goog%26site%3DPartnership_PLA%26crdt%3D1%26ul_ref%3Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Frover.ebay.in%25252Frover%25252F1%25252F4686-213761-11394-72%25252F2%25253F%252526mpre%25253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fm.ebay.in%25252Fitm%25252F251475132649%25253Faff_source%25253DSok-Goog%252526site%25253DPartnership_PLA%252526srcrot%25253D4686-213761-11394-72%252526rvr_id%25253D0%26srcrot%3D4686-213761-11394-72%26rvr_id%3D990027192763

It's for 240 rupees including shipping. I'd be happy to transfer back 240 rupees. Sounds good?[DOUBLEPOST=1456799324][/DOUBLEPOST]250*[DOUBLEPOST=1456800027][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, @Vagabond: was the battery charging when you plugged it into your Ps3 power adapter? Let me know if you tested this.

 

[TerrorBlade]

The only thing that really seems out of place is how could you forget to mention that the battery is dead in the thread itself.
As a buyer, such a revelation midway during negotiations would ring the alarm bells for me.

I didn't forget it. I had posted the ad and when the 1st interested buyer came along, I tested the unit to make sure everything is in order and reported my findings before the negotiations carried on. Hence, there was full disclosure about the non-working parts.

@Seller - You can't equate selling on a site to selling on a forum. Your explanation defies logic when you say that you won't pay for a brand new charger when you didn't sell a brand new charger. The thing is that you were supposed to provide the buyer with a working charger. Now if you expect the buyer to scrounge for a used working charger then that's completely wrong because you were supposed to provide him one.

No, I do feel Im making a perfectly logical argument. I agree that scrounging around for a working charger is my job, and not the buyer's. However, buying a brand new one instead of a used one is ridiculous. The value of the 2nd hand product would be severely diluted if you start buying brand new accessories to compensate.
Regardless, I've posted an ebay.in link for a charger worth 250 INR. That should settle the matter.

 

[rdst_1]

I didn't forget it. I had posted the ad and when the 1st interested buyer came along, I tested the unit to make sure everything is in order and reported my findings before the negotiations carried on. Hence, there was full disclosure about the non-working parts.



No, I do feel Im making a perfectly logical argument. I agree that scrounging around for a working charger is my job, and not the buyer's. However, buying a brand new one instead of a used one is ridiculous. The value of the 2nd hand product would be severely diluted if you start buying brand new accessories to compensate.
Regardless, I've posted an ebay.in link for a charger worth 250 INR. That should settle the matter.

If you posted an ad without even checking the product first, then it is not the way to conduct sales over here. This is not OLX.

 

[prabs]

The value of the 2nd hand product would be severely diluted if you start buying brand new accessories to compensate.

This has to be the most ridiculous comment I have read on Techenclave till date but tell you what if you feel you are right then buy the second hand charger and deliver it to Vagabond. Should that not work buy him another one and go on till the buyer gets a second hand charger that actually works. This way the deal will not be severely diluted but your pocket will be severely lighter.

 

[TerrorBlade]

If you posted an ad without even checking the product first, then it is not the way to conduct sales over here. This is not OLX.

Completely agree with you. I have apologized for that mistake time and again. In this specific case, this was disclosed to the buyer right at the start of the negotiations. Im repenting not having added it to the thread right after having found the defect in the device which is why this thing is being talked about over and over again.
Hence, rdst, there is no problem here. I wish you had read/internalized the initial posts to understand the situation better.

This has to be the most ridiculous comment I have read on Techenclave till date but tell you what if you feel you are right then buy the second hand charger and deliver it to Vagabond. Should that not work buy him another one and go on till the buyer gets a second hand charger that actually works. This way the deal will not be severely diluted but your pocket will be severely lighter.

Your comment is ridiculous if you're assuming that I will buy 2nd hand chargers blindly and start shipping them off. Please refrain from posting illogical comments.
Luckily, the charger is cheap. If that was not the case, I would have actually tried to procure a used charger and ship to the buyer(preferably from a person living in my city who's product I could test out).

Final point - Vagabond, let me know if the battery was working with your PS3 charger. I'll be happy to reimburse you 250 for the charger that you can order from the ebay.in link I posted. This is all provided that negative comments are removed from both of our profiles and we go our own ways

 

[vyral_143]

I have remained silent throughout PMs and this thread but today would like to pitch in.

Why don't we just settle on course of action and implement/execute it?

1. Getting a charger/cord : @Vegabond to confirm query of @TerrorBlade regarding charger. If response is positive, @TerrorBlade would buy him a charger, this is what @Vegabond was suppose to get.

2. Apology: This one is important one from @TerroBlade. I would just quote posts for re-iterating importance of it.

@TerrorBlade It is not about just the money I lost trying to get it to work but also the hurtful comments you made when I was trying to get the problem sorted.

P.S.: @TerrorBlade also apologize to Vagabond for referring to him as retard in your conversation with him. There was no need for you to refer to him as that.

3. Reversal of negative feedbacks: This to be done both the parties involved. At the end of day, both of you guys are associated with TE for quite long time now. I do feel that both of you could work in synch and this unfortunate incident is sorted out.

 

[prabs]

Your comment is ridiculous

As if your comment was not ridiculous. It was a tongue in cheek jab at you. Funny using words like jab for a member whose name ends in blade.

Nonetheless it is good to see the matter is heading towards a settlement but I would recommend that the buyer receives the charger before anything is done for feedbacks as I would not like to see another issue post an agreed upon settlement.