Forum Feedback Request to Dealers/Mods/Members!!
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Shripad
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yup indeed.
Its big hassle and at times even I have ended up on the wrong side of the things.
Few people here already know that I ended up paying customs from my pocked on the 1st and 2nd sidewinder GO i organised and didnt take penny from the others.
The 2nd sidewinder go is still a mystery. Still no compensation from customs, no insurance, nothing. Its total worth is close to 13-14k ( my portion is biggest, 4.5k of my and 3k of my cousin's, but still considerable amount of others is invested in this go ). God knows how many trips to customs I have made for this, many times with fellow te members. Lots of time wested into this.
This is the reason I stopped organizing any GO from my side since then even when i had few good chances of organizing GO for lots of OCZ and Lian Li products. Specially where importing of stuff comes into picture, i honestly wont advice anyone to organize a go unless you are going though import agency.
About the people making profit, honestly if you wanna make profit, noone is stopping you, but then be a man enough and register yourself as a dealer before setting up a shop here on te yourself or on someone else's behalf.
Its big hassle and at times even I have ended up on the wrong side of the things.
Few people here already know that I ended up paying customs from my pocked on the 1st and 2nd sidewinder GO i organised and didnt take penny from the others.
The 2nd sidewinder go is still a mystery. Still no compensation from customs, no insurance, nothing. Its total worth is close to 13-14k ( my portion is biggest, 4.5k of my and 3k of my cousin's, but still considerable amount of others is invested in this go ). God knows how many trips to customs I have made for this, many times with fellow te members. Lots of time wested into this.
This is the reason I stopped organizing any GO from my side since then even when i had few good chances of organizing GO for lots of OCZ and Lian Li products. Specially where importing of stuff comes into picture, i honestly wont advice anyone to organize a go unless you are going though import agency.
About the people making profit, honestly if you wanna make profit, noone is stopping you, but then be a man enough and register yourself as a dealer before setting up a shop here on te yourself or on someone else's behalf.
BIKeINSTEIN
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Maa ki Aankh- that missing opty- i never got to knowing the end of that.Switch said:
Total loss yours.
Not shared by people involved?? :huh:
BIKeINSTEIN said:Yeah- you better not.:bleh:
I don't expect you to believe- and there is no need either.
How many actual/real TE GOs have you witnessed and/or been a part of pal to question those who have??
I admit I am a new member here and I didn't mean to challenge anybody's views.
I saw it as a common sense that anybody organising a GO wouldn't necessary earn profit but, atleast they'll be careful enough NOT to loose money in the process.
I you feel I shouldn't comment here for lack of experience, so be it. I'll refrain on commenting here.
See, thse things just happen. Like customs problems or shipping loss. You can't predict that, and thats one risk you'll always have to take incase of arranging a GO.Corleone said:
The members in a GO might simply refuse to pay the extra money for customs, or accept the fact that their item was lost in shipping.
There are xcertain good TE members, like saiyan, who have done quite a bit of work, like roamign around, making calls, etc for the sake of GO and might be he hasnt charged anything extra in it.
Corleone said:Yes, money is not the end of everything. I'm a believer in that too.
I used to be the one who was trying to make money out of everything. maybe it was because i didnt have enogh of it, plus it was my immaturity. Now since i'm earning money and have lots of it, I finally get the big picture :lol:
bunnyboi matured??? u gotta be kidding me...
@corleone.. everyone here who has been a part of anyone of the REAL GO's which were organised here will know how hard some of our members had to work. i still remember how raghu used to regularly get mauled for updates.. then there was saiyan who had to run all over town to arrange all sortsa stuff from game controllers to mice
point being.. everyone has been transparent about things all along.. even i organised a GO here and 'attempted' to be transparent abt things.. but unfortunately for me, things dint exactly go as i had expected them to go and i was forced to ask the participants in the GO to pay up a lil bit extra to cover the additional burden... while most agreed there were a couple who werent sure(and most prolly were wondering abt how much i was making out of it)
the only point that im trying to make here is, if at all a GO is to be permitted here, were gonna need a lot mroe transparency on behalf of the GO starter.. coz otherwise, it aint gonna be worthy of being called GO.
@corleone.. everyone here who has been a part of anyone of the REAL GO's which were organised here will know how hard some of our members had to work. i still remember how raghu used to regularly get mauled for updates.. then there was saiyan who had to run all over town to arrange all sortsa stuff from game controllers to mice
point being.. everyone has been transparent about things all along.. even i organised a GO here and 'attempted' to be transparent abt things.. but unfortunately for me, things dint exactly go as i had expected them to go and i was forced to ask the participants in the GO to pay up a lil bit extra to cover the additional burden... while most agreed there were a couple who werent sure(and most prolly were wondering abt how much i was making out of it
)the only point that im trying to make here is, if at all a GO is to be permitted here, were gonna need a lot mroe transparency on behalf of the GO starter.. coz otherwise, it aint gonna be worthy of being called GO.
BIKeINSTEIN
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I tried posting in that huge discussion thrd and bam- all that i typed lost as thread was close by the time i finished typing and i didnt save it. :rofl:
so here it is, since it's kinda related to this topic i started. :cool2:
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No one should point fingers as finger pointing/accusing w/o proof so so sucks.
Dinesh Bhai,
The issue is- please don't use the term GO na.
Here is how i look at it.
When a GO from a dealer or any shop is arranged, the dealer is making a profit after all but a lil less than usual low qty/individual sales due to the volume.
But the member takes nothing(except for the misc expenses that maybe declared and shared by unanimous decision- a very rare happening again in some genuine TE GOs).
So ppl get it lower than market rate.
If deal is directly with distributor, very rarely, dealer is bypassed and the saving is much more- like EP-630 GOs.
GO via some retailer/dealer for that would have costed much more imo- especially noting the reatil price at that point of time.
So your deals are not very different
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if we consider dell as a distributor and your contact(dell rep, who you say keeps a cut for self) as a retailer/reseller and you as the member arranging the so-called GO.
But what the problem in this is that the dell rep is not an authorised reseller/retailer and even he/she cannot declare that to Dell as Dell ain't only a distributor but also is a reseller/retailer itself and this is not legal even as per them.
Also he/she is unable to give a bill for the exact amount as a dealer does. :no:
That is also akin to a saleman/woman within a shop selling lower for kickbacks and can be kicked out/imprisoned for theft/fraud/ 'chaar sau beesi'.
So calling your deals a GO is dicey and can reflect on TE's (and its member's) image as a place where seemingly some sorta fraud occurs via GOs.
What you can do is be the unofficial rep for your Dell rep and start threads in Dealer's section as when you need (i.e prices go up or down when prices are revised by dell). :hap2:
You may easily be selling 10 monitors per thread (maybe much more with your friendly, helpful nature and services offered) and your contact(dell rep as u say) who keeps a lil for self for not being a saint/God won't find the fees much of a bother looking at the larger gains.
That way- by being an unofficial rep for the person who keeps the cut(dell rep as u say) but an official, regd. dealer on TE on his/her behalf and making him/her pay the fees for the month/s you run the sale-
you can command- 'Take it or leave it'- silencing all the mouths and stopping all the fingers pointed at you.
Coz the term GO is best left to those who do it in a genuine way not coz they think they are saint/God but those who treat others as important/equal as self and do unto others what they deem fit for self.
Some call this 'basic human nature (a myth in modern society)' and some say it's earning 'Good Karma'.
Though i so wish earning 'Good Karma' was default as made by the Creator unlike the 'optional extra' as it is these days.
so here it is, since it's kinda related to this topic i started. :cool2:
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No one should point fingers as finger pointing/accusing w/o proof so so sucks.
Dinesh Bhai,
The issue is- please don't use the term GO na.
Here is how i look at it.
When a GO from a dealer or any shop is arranged, the dealer is making a profit after all but a lil less than usual low qty/individual sales due to the volume.
But the member takes nothing(except for the misc expenses that maybe declared and shared by unanimous decision- a very rare happening again in some genuine TE GOs).
So ppl get it lower than market rate.
If deal is directly with distributor, very rarely, dealer is bypassed and the saving is much more- like EP-630 GOs.
GO via some retailer/dealer for that would have costed much more imo- especially noting the reatil price at that point of time.
So your deals are not very different
-if we consider dell as a distributor and your contact(dell rep, who you say keeps a cut for self) as a retailer/reseller and you as the member arranging the so-called GO.
But what the problem in this is that the dell rep is not an authorised reseller/retailer and even he/she cannot declare that to Dell as Dell ain't only a distributor but also is a reseller/retailer itself and this is not legal even as per them.
Also he/she is unable to give a bill for the exact amount as a dealer does. :no:
That is also akin to a saleman/woman within a shop selling lower for kickbacks and can be kicked out/imprisoned for theft/fraud/ 'chaar sau beesi'.
So calling your deals a GO is dicey and can reflect on TE's (and its member's) image as a place where seemingly some sorta fraud occurs via GOs.
What you can do is be the unofficial rep for your Dell rep and start threads in Dealer's section as when you need (i.e prices go up or down when prices are revised by dell). :hap2:
You may easily be selling 10 monitors per thread (maybe much more with your friendly, helpful nature and services offered
) and your contact(dell rep as u say) who keeps a lil for self for not being a saint/God won't find the fees much of a bother looking at the larger gains.http://www.techenclave.com/806141-post32.html
That way- by being an unofficial rep for the person who keeps the cut(dell rep as u say) but an official, regd. dealer on TE on his/her behalf and making him/her pay the fees for the month/s you run the sale-
you can command- 'Take it or leave it'- silencing all the mouths and stopping all the fingers pointed at you.
Coz the term GO is best left to those who do it in a genuine way not coz they think they are saint/God but those who treat others as important/equal as self and do unto others what they deem fit for self.
Some call this 'basic human nature (a myth in modern society)' and some say it's earning 'Good Karma'.
Though i so wish earning 'Good Karma' was default as made by the Creator unlike the 'optional extra' as it is these days.
BIKeINSTEIN
Herald
might be?? :OSunnyBoi said:
Note the part in bold and the one underlined.Saiyan said:
Now you know- why that is there?? :rofl:
Plus iirc, Funky didn't charge anyone for the hike in the dollar rate over the rate quoted in the thread by the time he got billed or for the tax incurred on the cc transaction which comes in the cc bill later as the GO was already done.
From his pocket.
Plus his ordering a GO instead of me or someone new to sidewinder fetched a bit lower price than usual, inflexible quotes from sidewinder as he was a regular buyer..
It can be noted he mentioned he charged a teeny weeny bit more than the actual dollar rate for his CC transaction to cover up for taxes that show up in the next months bill.
Saiyan also let go of certain conversion/taxation differences and has never been totally transparent/fair about how much he got charged by customs for nothing chargeable in reality for some personal GOs that happened off TE- coz he felt it was his mistake. :no:
Always brushed off the query.
Man!! there have been more senior members who have done this on a regular basis but these were the two most prominent examples i could think up of at the moment, especially being privy to these GOs.
(especially the division of shipping weights and rates amongst members so that everyone is charged fairly, i rechecked calculations (5 times to convince myself i hadn't made a mistake and forgotten maths) for Saiyan upto 4 decimals- though i dunno how i would have paid him had he asked for the fractional amount. :rofl:
Was guided by Funky on how to get weights/divide rates, etc.
Gary of sidewinders was kind enough to actually weigh each item separately as it is- 'off the shelf'/bare/'with own packing' before packing/shipping them. :thumb
BIKeINSTEIN
Herald
Definitely not the first time, i think. :ashamed:Funky said:Damn Bikey!!!! 17 smilies in 1 post.
You broke the rule
Dunno what's the max i used per post- never checked but only try to convey what i may look like when i am conveying my thoughts.
And i thought the rule was not more than 3 on one line- didn't ever check if there's a max per post limit too. :ashamed:
BIKeINSTEIN said:Saiyan also let go of certain conversion/taxation differences and has never been totally transparent/fair about how much he got charged by customs for nothing chargeable in reality for some personal GOs that happened off TE- coz he felt it was his mistake. :no:
Always brushed off the query.
Arre thats ok re, i benefited b'coz we all shared the expenditure
imagine what would have happened if i had only went ahead and bought stuff alone :ashamed:
BIKeINSTEIN
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And shouldn't i be equally or even more grateful in fact-Saiyan said:Arre thats ok re, i benefited b'coz we all shared the expenditure
for letting me be a part of it and avail of the opportunity to purchase stuff not available here w/o even owning a cc or going thru the hassle of ordering, negotiating, calculating, packing individually, shipping to individuals, not getting paid on time, not getting paid fully at one go, ... :cool2:
Good going Bikey ....but in the other thread I was rather termed as a troll by Dinesh gng against him. All I did was suggested some other easier way and to give the source if possible. No idea why ppl get so hyper so fast.
Wasted 2 hrs yesterday on this...dnt intend to do any more....all left to the mods/admins to do the best solution possible
....but in the other thread I was rather termed as a troll by Dinesh gng against him. All I did was suggested some other easier way and to give the source if possible. No idea why ppl get so hyper so fast.Wasted 2 hrs yesterday on this...dnt intend to do any more
....all left to the mods/admins to do the best solution possible 
Shakensoul
Forerunner
I see several flaws in the above posts.
If suppose the way dinesh is handling the GO's amounts to fraud because the invoice does not show the actual amount that the member paid, and we are pushing him to register as a dealer because he might a making a small profit in the deal along with the dell guy and the whole deal looks shady, if he becomes a register dealer @TE, that will not turn the whole GO into a legitimate deal. If we talk about nothing illegal being allowed on TE, many a times we have seen GO's being arranged/ stuffs being imported from abroad and the value declared less to evade custom duty. That also can be termed as fraud.
We all know that everything is not black and white, everything is not followed by the book and its not possible to practice gandhigiri all the time. We also display double standards. If suppose a GO is going on and the seller is offering a killer deal, and a member/mod is interested in the deal, no questions are asked as to how the deal was arranged as long as everyone gets a good discount and no one gets cheated. All the members who purchased from the seller are happy and keep their mouth shut. Its only the members who are not part of the GO start to raise questions and doubt the intentions of the seller, all thinking for the "community" and betterment of TE, making sure that nothing is going wrong, all the policies are followed and everything goes according to rules and regulations, we tend to become the moral police. And after a member registers as a dealer, no questions are asked how stuff is imported/sold as long as everyone is happy ??
I don't want this to snowball again into a never ending controversy, just putting my 2 cents as everyone.
If suppose the way dinesh is handling the GO's amounts to fraud because the invoice does not show the actual amount that the member paid, and we are pushing him to register as a dealer because he might a making a small profit in the deal along with the dell guy and the whole deal looks shady, if he becomes a register dealer @TE, that will not turn the whole GO into a legitimate deal. If we talk about nothing illegal being allowed on TE, many a times we have seen GO's being arranged/ stuffs being imported from abroad and the value declared less to evade custom duty. That also can be termed as fraud.
We all know that everything is not black and white, everything is not followed by the book and its not possible to practice gandhigiri all the time. We also display double standards. If suppose a GO is going on and the seller is offering a killer deal, and a member/mod is interested in the deal, no questions are asked as to how the deal was arranged as long as everyone gets a good discount and no one gets cheated. All the members who purchased from the seller are happy and keep their mouth shut. Its only the members who are not part of the GO start to raise questions and doubt the intentions of the seller, all thinking for the "community" and betterment of TE, making sure that nothing is going wrong, all the policies are followed and everything goes according to rules and regulations, we tend to become the moral police. And after a member registers as a dealer, no questions are asked how stuff is imported/sold as long as everyone is happy ??
I don't want this to snowball again into a never ending controversy, just putting my 2 cents as everyone.
Fine Jayanta ur point is quite valid
But what we are telling is that its entrusted that the GO deals in hot deals section shouldn't involve any cut/profit. Note my word its believed /entrusted by fellow TE members. What abt fellows who have even gone a long way to finsh a GO rather than a motive to make a cut on someone's else behalf. Every other dealer can then start off his own GO in Hot Deals rather than in Dealers paradise for which they r paying a monthly fee. I dont know why u r nt getting the diff between the "Dealers Paradise" & "Hot Deals/GO Section"...and yes if someone is making a cut or may be any other thing in material/favour organizing a GO its something to do with commercial benefits which should come under "Dealers section" ...if that is no enforced dealers can say that they can also start GOs here ! And yes its nt all about price that members getting best price so noone should care. If anyone think it should be like that they should rather try starting their GOs or whatever in digit forum. Here everything relies on trust & thats why we dont even think twice before transferring money for some stuff on TE market and yes making a cut w/o making it clear is hideous and bad
So final thing is " Why is it bad for members to make a cut in GOs when dealers can do anything and be sure abt nt being questioned?"
The answer lies in itself " Dealers are after all running business unlike a member who is supposed to serve the community"
May be if anyone doesn't agree to that its all the way u think ...just give a nice thought to it
ur point is quite valid But what we are telling is that its entrusted that the GO deals in hot deals section shouldn't involve any cut/profit. Note my word its believed /entrusted by fellow TE members. What abt fellows who have even gone a long way to finsh a GO rather than a motive to make a cut on someone's else behalf. Every other dealer can then start off his own GO in Hot Deals rather than in Dealers paradise for which they r paying a monthly fee. I dont know why u r nt getting the diff between the "Dealers Paradise" & "Hot Deals/GO Section"...and yes if someone is making a cut or may be any other thing in material/favour organizing a GO its something to do with commercial benefits which should come under "Dealers section" ...if that is no enforced dealers can say that they can also start GOs here ! And yes its nt all about price that members getting best price so noone should care. If anyone think it should be like that they should rather try starting their GOs or whatever in digit forum. Here everything relies on trust & thats why we dont even think twice before transferring money for some stuff on TE market and yes making a cut w/o making it clear is hideous and bad
So final thing is " Why is it bad for members to make a cut in GOs when dealers can do anything and be sure abt nt being questioned?"
The answer lies in itself " Dealers are after all running business unlike a member who is supposed to serve the community"
May be if anyone doesn't agree to that its all the way u think ...just give a nice thought to it
Shakensoul
Forerunner
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