Forum Feedback Request to Dealers/Mods/Members!!

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Naga said:
Where in that thread did u read ke bills will not be provided?
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well u said the same earlier in that other Dell clarification/suggesition GO..
check urself... (for hidin the identity of the Rep ) (dont edit :P)

and make sure if u are providing one.. it has to be of the equal to the amnt paid by customer exclusive of shippin...@ Real BILL OF DELL

also... KMD mentioned here a very VALID point...

Actually, I have been wanting to bring this up for a very long time. There is always a conflict of interest when you have both sections in the same forum ...i.e. "Dealers Paradise" and "GO's organized by Individuals" in the Hot deals section. Now, lets get the difference between the two sections.
Dealers Paradise ---> is a paid service wherein the dealers have to pay a monthly fee to TE which helps them in turn to keep their server running and the site up etc etc
GO's started by Individuals---> This is a free service and not a single rupee goes to TE.

Now, the issue raised in most of the posts here is whether this individual is a dealer or not....is he making profit or not. I am opening up a whole new can of worms here. Lets say that the individual is not a dealer at all is not making any profit at all...However, the fact still remains that even the individual is buying it from some dealer X and that dealer X is making a sale on TE (through the help of this member) without paying a single rupee to TE. Now, myself (a registered dealer on TE) is in competition with this dealer X. But do you see the unfair advantage that dealer X has against me. Dealer X doesn't have to pay single rupee to TE to make a sale on TE (cuz his sales go under the hot deals section) and plus he gets an employee (free of cost) to organize and manage his sale on TE (i.e. the individual who is organizing the GO). All in all, I'd say from any angle its better for any dealer to never become a registered dealer on TE and always catch hold of some member on TE and tell him that I can get him product "XYZ" for "Rs. 123" if he can get me a min of 10 orders.

Since we dealers are paying TE and that money is ultimately going to the betterment of TE, a registered dealer should get the first stab on organizing a GO before an individual organizes one with dealer "X" on his back.

My Suggestion to mods/admins is this ---> Before an Individual member wants to start a GO on TE, a PM should be sent to the registered dealer if any of them is willing to organize the same GO at the same price that the member is getting from his dealer "X". If a registered Dealer agrees then he should be given the first stab. If no registered dealer is ready for the same then the Individual may be allowed to start that GO.

Also, keep a check on the No. of dealers you allow to become registered dealers on TE and also monitor their performance and their GO's too...Don't allow every one who is ready to pay the fee to become a registered dealer on TE. As the saying goes "too many cooks spoil the broth"...too many dealers and too many GO threads just spoils the fun for everyone (for dealers and individual alike). Keep a fixed number of dealer (the number can be decided by the admins/mods) and if the popularity of TE is increasing and more dealers want to register then just hike up your monthly fees and see who wants to stay and who wants to leave. Giving entry to every tom dick and harry just sucks the whole fun of it. One of the main reasons why I have lost any motivation to organize any more GO's on [E].

I know this post is getting too long already....but I'd like to add one more thing. Please keep a check on dealers unnecessarily bumping their threads with posts like "1 gone to ABC", "2 gone to XYZ". "ABC your order was shipped out today", "only 2 more left" etc etc These posts concern no one except the individual buying and the dealer and if a dealer needs to convey this he can do so by sending a PM. Make strict rules as to when a dealer can bump his thread...eg. if a new product is added to the first post or if there has been a price drop or if the item was out of stock and is now back in stock or if he is answering to a query asked by an individual on the thread. Only posts that concern everyone in general should be allowed.

I guess thats it from me for now
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LOL real bill of dell??

A legal invoice is all thats needed along with Dell order no. It does not have to be dell bill unless its a member go and in that case he should not be making profit himself or for someone else.

If you say your contact is making all profit, tell him to issue a invoice of what payment he is receiving from the users along with dell order no.

Afterall, DELL does have reseller program now in India.

WHat you are trying to say is like asking dealers to give the distributor deals to the end user which a dealer has right to refuse. Which store gives you invoice of the amount he pays to the distributor or manufacturer?

You are again trying to force your problem onto others. You did that and people found out that a profit is being made on this GO and few people shared that info with us.

Again I asked you this in other thread, why didnt you disclose this before hand? and why are you asking every dealer to do that now when you are facing the flack?

A legit invoice is all that is and will be expected from a dealer.

Its simple, dont try to twist and turn these words.
 
well....
i just dont understand y this thread was meant to be titles a request.

i requested a few things... and did say i`ll follow the same.

then y the backlash .... ( "u focus on ur own go.. n all..." i am freakin not makin any GO`s if i cant comply with the YET to be prescribed guidelines etc)
or it made just for ..... ppl like urself n bikey to comment.

PS:
legit invoice from DEALERS only.. or GO creators too.
if not from GO creators... then i think there shud not be any problem with my GO`s :P

regards... n dude i am not twistin n turnin .......
 
lol TE actually went down when i typed other half of the message this afternoon :P

Anyway. Dinesh, look here is picture.

What KMD has stated is exactly what the problem is.

One off GOs through some dealer for some rare stuff happens.

Now here is the problem.

Your GO was almost always on, basically a shop on TE.

I came to know that there is considerable profit being made on this.

Now you may not be earning profit. but you have setup a shop on TE on behalf of someone who is and he is not getting charged.

This is not fair the dealers.

I have been informed about this quiet a while ago and difference in bill amount and amount paid was brought to my attention.

And thats why I suggested you should register as a dealer.

It does not matter if its DELL or not. This is applicable for any product and any person. In past the reason for me not voicing my concerns about this is very simple. I did not have any business to talk about this. Now I do.

Anyway hold on to your horses everyone. A decision will be made soon and by soon i mean wait until staff decides :P
 
Funky said:
lol TE actually went down when i typed other half of the message this afternoon :P

Anyway. Dinesh, look here is picture.
What KMD has stated is exactly what the problem is.

One off GOs through some dealer for some rare stuff happens.

Now here is the problem.

Your GO was almost always on, basically a shop on TE.

I came to know that there is considerable profit being made on this.

Now you may not be earning profit. but you have setup a shop on TE on behalf of someone who is and he is not getting charged.

This is not fair the dealers.

I have been informed about this quiet a while ago and difference in bill amount and amount paid was brought to my attention.

And thats why I suggested you should register as a dealer.

It does not matter if its DELL or not. This is applicable for any product and any person. In past the reason for me not voicing my concerns about this is very simple. I did not have any business to talk about this. Now I do.

Anyway hold on to your horses everyone. A decision will be made soon and by soon i mean wait until staff decides :P
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thats y i said ... FUNKY buddy.
if my GO`s are not as per the provisions or guidelines (which are actually not set YET) of TE... i wont run them for sure.. I wont do any more GO`s if I fail to comply.. wat more i can do now ??
but i also wanted to suggest a few things... which were really not meant to be offended.
as u guys think n say.. even i shared my thought.

anyways

regards

PS: i still belive BILL shud be mandatory .. dealer or GO... a bill shud be mandatory exlusive of shippin..

one more thing.. direct price of a DELL BLUETOOTH headset is 1600 bucks inclusive of shippin n valid bill on purchasers name !
i ordered 3 Nos of them 2 weeks back..

one of the best examples

even gauravT who initiated/started a GO for EP-630`s never handed out me the real bill.. i asked him a few times for the copy.
but he dint gave... n it was never mentioned it wont be provided.. that time i was not a dell GO creator..

hence i can say.. that this thing shud be regulated

if u all want.. plz confirm from him.. i never got the bill i asked for 2 EP-630`s i purchased thru him.

i know he is a good guy n al...
but for those EP-630`s its good if i have bill copy in my hand while attendin service.
he told me a scanned copy will be emailed

again i say... give the respect n consideration to my inputs as u expect others to give urs....... or shud i say its like.... dun care....wat others say
 
Ok...I have something to say here and also a request...

I think there should be a section where people (buyers) can ask a common question to all the members of the TE and Mods about, whether or Not a particular Seller (or Dealer) is trustworthy or not and who all here can take responsibility if something goes wrong...i mean in such cases if a mod/admin or a reputed member agrees that this guys is trustable, the buyer can thus have confidence in the deal (seller/dealer) and can go ahead in the deal at his own wish.

Personally i mean i am hesitant in giving like 50k in advance to Dealers and members organizing GO's for Dell laptops without any guarantee at all. I think the address of all dealers should be made public and the mods/admins on this forum should know them or be ready to take responsibility for them. This all will help both the dealers, GO organisers and the potential buyers.

If i am missing something here, please feel free to point out.

Thanks
 
Look, noone can take responsibility for other person unless they know him personally.

As far as dealers are concerned, we have to respect their privacy. We do have background information about them and most of them share contact info with buyers anyway. But they may not want their addresses put in public. Not all of them have professional address or location. All long time operating dealers at TE at the moment have good track record and few members are organising GOs for a long time and many people know them personally.

A little common sense and a good two way communication is all thats needed.
 
dingemini312 said:
again i say... give the respect n consideration to my inputs as u expect others to give urs....... or shud i say its like.... dun care....wat others say
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We will give respect to your inputs if you will ever shutup. You made your point, we read it.

or shud i say its like.... dun care....wat others feel.. I will go on posting the same crap a hundred times in the same thread.
 
Funky said:
Look, noone can take responsibility for other person unless they know him personally.
As far as dealers are concerned, we have to respect their privacy. We do have background information about them and most of them share contact info with buyers anyway. But they may not want their addresses put in public. Not all of them have professional address or location. All long time operating dealers at TE at the moment have good track record and few members are organising GOs for a long time and many people know them personally.

A little common sense and a good two way communication is all thats needed.
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I think like Dealers, people organizing any GO should also give there address and all to the mods and mods should verify it, only after a green signal from mods, any member should be allowed to organize GOs, because as far as us buyers are concerned its hardly any different for us...we should feel as safe dealing with GO organizers as we do when we deal with any of the registered dealers here, otherwise no point of such GOs
 
I think like Dealers, people organizing any GO should also give there address and all to the mods and mods should verify it,
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Not feasable IMHO as its really easy to change addresses after verification. As funky said, trust, commonsense and communication are the only good safeguards :)
 
Kumar said:
Not feasable IMHO as its really easy to change addresses after verification. As funky said, trust, commonsense and communication are the only good safeguards :)
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Then there will always be scammers , as there are loop holes...:no:
 
Renegade said:
We will give respect to your inputs if you will ever shutup. You made your point, we read it.

or shud i say its like.... dun care....wat others feel.. I will go on posting the same crap a hundred times in the same thread.
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renegade... u mite be a mod here.. but mind ur language bro..

from past 2 days i am not postin anythin here..

and waitin for the verdict....

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dingemini312 said:
renegade... u mite be a mod here.. but mind ur language bro..

from past 2 days i am not postin anythin here..

and waitin for the verdict....

so better ...
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From the past two days you are not posting anything here! :O And just waiting for the verdict!!! :O :O Really!!

You were posting non-stop in the other thread which was related to your so called GO. You made the same point there in almost all your posts. That thread was closed and you were told that mods will discuss this and get back.

Now you started the same story in this thread too. The same point in all your posts!! If you really were waiting patiently for the verdict you wouldnt be posting the same suggestions.

I replied today coz I read your post today. I am sorry if I couldnt reply within next 5 minutes of your posting yesterday.

And I just copy pasted your line here. I dont suppose being a mod compels me to delete the word 'shutup' from my dictionary. Its a simple word if you take it for what it is.
Why are you being so defensive. People dont think of you as a cheater who was scamming other TE members and the TE staff with his GO. Honestly. :) We value your GOs and are incorporating your suggestions in the upcoming rules.
 
Renegade said:
From the past two days you are not posting anything here! :O And just waiting for the verdict!!! :O :O Really!!

You were posting non-stop in the other thread which was related to your so called GO. You made the same point there in almost all your posts. That thread was closed and you were told that mods will discuss this and get back.

Now you started the same story in this thread too. The same point in all your posts!! If you really were waiting patiently for the verdict you wouldnt be posting the same suggestions.

I replied today coz I read your post today. I am sorry if I couldnt reply within next 5 minutes of your posting yesterday.

And I just copy pasted your line here. I dont suppose being a mod compels me to delete the word 'shutup' from my dictionary. Its a simple word if you take it for what it is.
Why are you being so defensive. People dont think of you as a cheater who was scamming other TE members and the TE staff with his GO. Honestly. :) We value your GOs and are incorporating your suggestions in the upcoming rules.
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thanks..
as u say.
 
something i just came across...

Should we at TE do a bit of Pricing vigilantism even for the dealers??

there are some who sell at the same rate as on their own site and even higher prices at times.

the dealers are paying a premium to list their products on TE, however that does not mean that they offer products at same/higher prices than their on site.. should they?

very often a noob might come over, and find some omg damn cool products and buy it... i agree that every person should do his own research before making a purchase decision, but still.. it makes completely Zero sense when someone sells for a HIGHER price than their OWN site...

case in point being a certain well known dealers 'deals' and his website pricing.
 
Should they charge more than the approx market price?

Answer is No. But they are not forced to reduce their prices than the market, local prices.

And pricing wont be forced upon dealers in any case.
 
sTALKEr said:
well.. then they should stop whining when ppl post in their threads with the actual market rates.
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You may have a point but here is dilema.
Define market rate.

Saiyan bought E8400 from bangy as it was unavailable in Chennai for 9.3k
The next day, I bought E8400 here in Mumbai for 8700.

Thats Rs.600 difference right there.
And it was not a special deal for me. Different regions, different distries, different prices.
 
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