REVIEW: New Opera Browser Fails at Basics

By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer

NEW YORK - Opera's new Web browser (Opera 8) responds to commands you speak into a microphone. It rearranges pages to fit narrower windows. It adds a security bar to help reduce the risk of fraud. All impressive features.

But when it comes to the basics, too many Web sites simply don't work as well with Opera when compared with rival browsers from Microsoft Corp. and the Mozilla Foundation.

What a disappointment, as I really like the browser's other improvements.

The latest version of Opera Software ASA's browser, Opera 8, adds voice functionality that the company considers mostly a preview of what hands-free browsing might be like one day.

Still, I was quite impressed.

After getting my microphone to work properly, I only had to say "Opera reload" to have the Web page automatically update. "Opera speak" gets the browser to read aloud a highlighted passage of text. I didn't have to do a thing to train the software to recognize my voice.

Opera's new fit-to-width feature, meanwhile, lets you navigate Web pages without having to constantly reach for the horizontal scroll bar.

I'm sure you've encountered the problem: Sentences run just beyond the right edge of the browser window, forcing you to slide the scroll bar to read on. Then you have to slide it back to read the beginning of the next line.

Now, Opera can automatically rearrange pages so that sentences fit, no matter how narrow the window. When pages have multiple columns, Opera may stack one on top of the other to eliminate that scroll bar. Graphics and photos are shrunk.

This feature worked well with most sites I tried, though with a Flash-heavy portal, Opera simply shrunk the entire page, making text unreadable. There's also no way to activate the feature permanently — you have to do it page by page, which gets annoying.

Nonetheless, it's an option I don't find elsewhere.

Opera 8 also has a trash can that stores blocked pop-up windows and pages you close, just in case you need them again.

A "top 10" button is automatically populated with Web pages you visit most often.

Another nice feature: A menu item lets you instantly clear private data, including history files of pages visited and profiles called cookies. You can set it to clear all or some. Other leading browsers require you to dig through their "options" panel.

Many of Opera's returning features are similar to those of Mozilla's Firefox, which itself offers more than Microsoft's aging Internet Explorer.

Opera and Firefox both have "tabbed browsing," allowing users to open several pages without cluttering the computer desktop with separate windows. Opera 8 makes it easier than Firefox to close such pages when you're done.

Both browsers support Really Simple Syndication, or RSS, to pull content from sites, but Opera's is friendlier and lets you search the RSS feeds.

When visiting encrypted Web sites that may ask for passwords and other sensitive information, Firefox displays the real name of the Web site in the lower right corner to help guard against "phishing" attacks in which scam artists obscure a site's true name to try to appear legitimate.

With Opera, you get the full name of the company, not just the domain name, and it's displayed up top where it's easier to spot. A padlock also rates the site's trustworthiness "1," "2" or "3" depending on factors like encryption level, though the digits can be hard to read.

A few features aren't available in Firefox at all.

You can doubleclick on any word on a Web page to get a menu of options, including copying to a clipboard, translating it to another language — and now, with voice support, hearing it. You can also instruct Opera to start where you left off — sites you had opened when you last used Opera would reappear.

But these features are only useful if you can get sites to display.

I haven't run into any sites that didn't work at all with Opera, but many didn't work as well.

With Opera, I couldn't access America Online Inc. e-mail or empty Hotmail's junk folder. I couldn't use the word processor-like interface when posting new entries on LiveJournal's blogging service.

Making travel plans through Expedia, I had more options for creating discount packages from the home page using Firefox and Microsoft's IE. Several menu options failed to appear on Northwest's Web site when using Opera, and only with Opera did an ad permanently block me from reading tech news at The Washington Post's Web site.

Opera spokesman Tor Odland said some Web developers design their sites to work with IE and Firefox but don't bother testing them with Opera, which has smaller market share.

I can see how Opera isn't to blame, but the bottom line for me is whether it works. The $39 browser (free if you accept ads) is available for Windows and Linux computers, though the voice features need Windows 2000 or XP. A Mac OS version is being tested. If IE were the only option, then Opera would be a strong candidate. But Firefox handles all the basics well. For free. And on the Mac.

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Good article there...

First of all:
1. Many sites dont work on opera. Even google history thing dont have support.
2. This explains it all...
I can see how Opera isn't to blame, but the bottom line for me is whether it works. The $39 browser (free if you accept ads) is available for Windows and Linux computers, though the voice features need Windows 2000 or XP. A Mac OS version is being tested. If IE were the only option, then Opera would be a strong candidate. But Firefox handles all the basics well. For free. And on the Mac.

And lol:
But these features are only useful if you can get sites to display.
:rofl:
 
To each his own .... anyway the only sites which dont render well on opera are IE 'optimised' sites. Why should opera fix the mistakes of web developers?

In the rare case that such websites actually have some good content, the content is always viewable, albeit distorted. As long as I can view the content, I won't care.

Anyway, to all web developers, go lynx and dillo compatible, you won't have to worry about the site working on any other browser :)
 
Exactly.Opera is standard complaint.
Not only that,some sites go out of their way to detect Opera and to make sure that their site doesnt work on Opera.

Read through this and you would understand
http://my.opera.com/haavard/journal/36
First of all, Opera, like all software, is not perfect. It can make mistakes! If a site doesn't work, it could be because of a bug in Opera, so please report problems so that they can be looked into!

However, in my experience the single biggest cause of non-working sites in Opera today is browser sniffing. What this means is that if a site isn't working, it is likely because it detects Opera, and then sends it code which differs from what the other browsers are getting. If only Opera had gotten the same as everyone else, it would have worked! This means that it is not Opera which fails because it has limited capabilities, or because Opera Software is stubborn. It is the site which actively looks for Opera, and then sends it broken code, or simply leaves out important parts.

Why they do this, I do not know. Some sites just give you a "browser not supported" page, while others fail silently, not telling you anything. They do their trickery in the background, giving the impression that it is Opera which is lacking, when it is in fact the people who coded the page who fouled up. (If you want a more technical explanation, have a look at Andrew Gregory's page about browser sniffing.)
 
Well I tried opera and found it very fast and many of the features useful :)

Although I dont use it as my primary browser, its fun to use it once in a while
 
Say anything, but Opera is the BROWSER, man! It just ROCKS! :hap5:

P.S.: I have tried multiple versions of FireFox; and neither time did I manage to get it working! :( May be because of the proxy & firewall behind which all the terminals operate. But always, FF gives me some error page with some "Google Error: Page not found" kinda crazy message! Eventually, got fed up with the crap & installed Opera. Voila! It worked. Ever since, Opera is the browser of my choice.

Disclaimer: :eek:hyeah:
By this, I indicate that I am neither an Opera Fanboy, nor am I promoting that browser. I just prefer what works for me, and has excellent resource management. :)
 
~HeadShot~ said:
Say anything, but Opera is the BROWSER, man! It just ROCKS! :hap5:

P.S.: I have tried multiple versions of FireFox; and neither time did I manage to get it working! :( May be because of the proxy & firewall behind which all the terminals operate. But always, FF gives me some error page with some "Google Error: Page not found" kinda crazy message! Eventually, got fed up with the crap & installed Opera. Voila! It worked. Ever since, Opera is the browser of my choice.

Disclaimer: :eek:hyeah:
By this, I indicate that I am neither an Opera Fanboy, nor am I promoting that browser. I just prefer what works for me, and has excellent resource management. :)
Wow thats one big misguided criticism of the best browser on the web: Firefox.Opera ain't close-I used opera 6 and 7 for almost two years and then switched to FF 0.7,the difference was astounding, even then.Opera 8 is better but simply not as good as FF 1.0.3.
As they "A convert's convictions are the strongest" ;)
 
undertaker said:
Wow thats one big misguided criticism of the best browser on the web: Firefox.Opera ain't close-I used opera 6 and 7 for almost two years and then switched to FF 0.7,the difference was astounding, even then.Opera 8 is better but simply not as good as FF 1.0.3.
As they "A convert's convictions are the strongest" ;)

Well...well...my friend!
I won't argue with you on this topic since there have already been too many topics related to browser fanboyism here!
But this is to tell you that Opera has excellent resource management, a very good crash recovery system, sessions, an integrated IRC client, integrated RSS Feeds, in built and fast, snappy mail client, the works... And all these without installing any plugins ("Extensions"). FF doesn't even come close to that! :cool2: :p

And hey, BTW, Opera is just a 3.8 (something like that) download, whereas FF is 4.5 (or 4.3?) MB download!

And the sweetest news is that Opera 8 is now compatible with GMail.
 
opera 8 working very well for me:)

i dunno if this just my imagination or if its real but images seems to be loading faster than ever.
 
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