Graphic Cards Strictly: Green vs Red

Rahul said:
i think u answer lies in ur question y it is happening only with ISI powered games ??
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It doesn't happen at all on ATI.
On the same 17", F1C used to look better on my old 8500 at 1024 4xAA than it does on my 6600GT at 1280x960 4xAA.
 
Rahul said:
so switch i have answers to ur questions but i really don't want to drag in this discussion ..... or u guys will say that i am fanboy :P :lol:..... and in that thread i have answered every of questionable performance about 6800 series in SM3.0 ..... if u want chk out that thread .....
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Well then dont talk abt 6800 and 850 :)... Talk about 1900 and 7900... And dont worry... Nobody will classify you as a nvIDIOT :ohyeah:...
 
Looking at Price : performance 7600GT and 7900 GT wins handsdown.
But yes if I had the money I would pick an X1900XTX anyday over an NV card. ATI simply is better in the IQ dept period, it has a much more vibrant and sharper color reproduction, can do HDR + AA. But as I said in the mid segment ATI just dont have the products.
 
Picture this... If ATI does some price shuffling and make X1800XT as $300 then game on for ATI :ohyeah:

$500 X1900XTX

$450 X1900XT

$300 X1800XT

Just that i somehow am not very sure abt this happening as ATI fab process is a little expensive. But if it does happen nVidia will have some work to do...

Not to forget we still can expect X1900XTX XXX PE The ultimate performance king :ohyeah:
 
Rahul said:
some where u guys suggested that X850XT over 6800GS neglecting the SM3.0 factor ...... and here some ATi fanboys crying about HDR+AA ......and with 84.XX series drivers performace of 7XXX series card with AA and AF has increased to 20-30% depending upon the games ...... and in single card 7900GTX 24 pipe is beating X1900XTX 48 pipe card and that too with lower clocks .... i don't see any point in taking ATi for high end hardware ..... and IQ performance is much improved of nvidia and its now in class of ATI ..... i am no fanboy here but Nvidia always comes with better solution at more affordable prices ....
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Err, the X1900XTX is a 16 *pipe* card. It has 48 pixel shader processors. Both run at the same clocks, ie 650 Mhz. So in fact it is th Ati card beating the NV card with lower clocks. But true, at a much higher cost. The die size of the X1900 is 350 mm^2 and for the 7900 it is only 196 mm^2. Similarly the x1600 is 150 mm^2 while the 7600 GT is 125 mm^2 and beats the stuffing out of the x1600xt. So Nvidia will have lower prices( and still maintain the big margin Jen Hsung loves-> >40%). Remember these are only launch prices, im sure they will go down, while ATI's products have been out for 6 weeks and price has been steady.
 
Aces170 said:
^^ Not if you want to look at profit margins, Nv is making more profit per card and yet remaining competitive.
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I am not talking about profit to company.
R580 has more transistor count because of larger no of shader units, has hardware encoding features.
 
so??? :P What do you mean by showing the results of the poll :P

that was some time back..... there has been a new launch from ATI and nvidia since then :PP
 
Funky said:
Well ATI is offering more features, so they have more transistor count. That cant be held against them can it?
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Yes true, ATI is offering more features, but u shd look at the number of games actually making use of those features. I think only 2 games right now use HDR+AA. Their transistor count is higher but not by that much compared to die size. The final cost factor is not no of transistors, but size of die. ATI R580 has 380m transistors, and has a 350 mm^2 die size. Nvidia has 280m and die size is only 196. In the end Nvidia will make more a lot money than ATI per chip.
 
but then, smart people who buy cards once in a way will prefer the ATIs now coz more future games will support HDR + AA and they will also be shader heavy. And ATI will certainly do well in those games.

Of course for people who upgrade regularly, (like those lucky fellows on XS, etc) then it does not matter.
 
hunt3r said:
Yes true, ATI is offering more features, but u shd look at the number of games actually making use of those features. I think only 2 games right now use HDR+AA. Their transistor count is higher but not by that much compared to die size. The final cost factor is not no of transistors, but size of die. ATI R580 has 380m transistors, and has a 350 mm^2 die size. Nvidia has 280m and die size is only 196. In the end Nvidia will make more a lot money than ATI per chip.
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Well as for me i decide on a card which plays well on the games which i mostly play let it be 2 or just one... Ppl who are big fans of BF2 will like ATI more as so known as shimmering effect of nVIDIA cards is not present... It basically depends on games what you play...

I for one play CSS and i beleive ATI does better on HL2 Engine :D...
 
The 7600Gt surprised me.I didn't think it would beat the 6800GS even in AA!Though the difference is only about 10% at stock thats still quite an achievement for a card with signifcantly lower bandwidth.
 
I would go ahead with ATi at this time, coz of its superb performance as of now for the X1800 and X1900 series..

And with better performance in pixel shader games as benchmarks show, for a single card, ATi seems best as of now..:)

Just a downer, though, the 1800XT seems overpriced.. If price was reduced for that, we could have an excellent performance to price card there!;)

For nvidia, mid segment seems their arena now.. That 7600GT looks most impressive! This looks like a 6600GT success story again for Nvidia in the mid segment..
 
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