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puns

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1) In each thread , the date on which the thread was started by the seller doesnt appear . the replies are dated... you guys can look into this.
1) I have recently noticed some people selling products in the bulk ( many items in 1 thread) which leads me to believe they might be doing business out here... I may be wrong but thats my thinking...
I think we should have some sort of rule of having a minimum number of posts in sections other than market to be allowed to sell in the market just in case... what you think

Thanks.
 
Whatever he said plus on his second point #1, I think those who are doing business on the TE market selling > 3 items in one thread, should pay TE a very small commission in the range of 15-20% of every sale made, excluding shipping charges of course :P
 
RiO said:
Whatever he said plus on his second point #1, I think those who are doing business on the TE market selling > 3 items in one thread, should pay TE a very small commission in the range of 15-20% of every sale made, excluding shipping charges of course :P

why ? should TE go the ebay way ? in any case , the mods are not going to even talk about it :)
 
RiO said:
Whatever he said plus on his second point #1, I think those who are doing business on the TE market selling > 3 items in one thread, should pay TE a very small commission in the range of 15-20% of every sale made, excluding shipping charges of course :P

dumbest idea ive heard in quite a while
only reason i joined TE was its goldmine of a market section and that will only destroy it
 
About 1) - We are aware of the problem. Admins are looking into it. At the least a mouse hover reflecting thread start time needs to be implemented.

About 2) - As you said we cannot be 100% sure if someone is a dealer or not. So we need to deal with this issue on a case by case basis. We cannot afford to take out sale threads on basis of assumptions - innocent until proven guilty.

So if you guys are pretty sure someone is a dealer please feel free to report his post and we would take it forward from there.

About 3) - Yes we were thinking on the lines of Minimum 100 posts to start a trade in Market section. At the same time - we don't want folks to spam around TE to raise their post counts. Maybe minimum 25 posts would be a good start. No concrete decision has been reached yet on this issue. Would inform as and when their is a change in policy.

Thanks for your feedback :)
 
RiO said:
Whatever he said plus on his second point #1, I think those who are doing business on the TE market selling > 3 items in one thread, should pay TE a very small commission in the range of 15-20% of every sale made, excluding shipping charges of course :P

Rio.. come on man, dint expect this from you.

We all know what TE is about and if they wanted it they would have done it when they had a cash crunch.

Just to add I missed on that other thread, but I'm glad TE is sticking to what I joined it as and for.. way to go Staff !
 
Is having Dealers a bad idea ? I mean if TE can seperate Dealers from normal people it would be good, but not allowing dealers in market is not needed. Or am i missing anything here :S

A seperate Name Tag beneath the username saying "Dealer" should be fine.
 
Puns i have answered your questions - please check two posts above.

Now about granting access to Dealers on TE -> If you read our iTrader Rules & Q & A's - question no : 11

We have in no clear terms asked the Dealers/Distributors to come via a specific channel/route.

TE's Market place is meant exclusively for C2C Member transactions only exception being GO's but they too need to have a Member as an go-between i.e. the onus is on the member who started the GO to collect the funds, procure and ship the product concerned.

Does that mean we are against Dealers - Nope. On the contrary we welcome them but not via the normal iTrade route.

And yes as and when we we give some dealer access to our Market place - we would make it clear to members via some tag or some announcement that such and such person is a dealer.

@Thanks for your all your opinions :)
 
Couple of things:

1. There are ways to tag members on the basis of 'Commercial' or 'Dealers'. Both diyaudio.com (somewhat less succesfully) and audiocircle.com (very succesfully) use this concept. Would urge some members to go hang out there.

2. The problem IMO, with keeping commercial members/dealers is not what they offer in the trading section, but what they contribute off it. As a member they are entitled to have a fair, unbiased idea of the subject they are posting about. If my livelihood depended upon selling a product/service/idea, I'm not sure I would be unbiased. Some people pull it off very very well, balancing out their commercial aspirations with technical knowledge, and continuing to offer the best of both to communities. In some cases it has resulted in disaster, causing controversy and ultimately member expulsion (is there any other way?).

3. I know I said couple, but this needs to be said. I felt some of this is sparked by the three threads I have going here, at least in part. I don't know if replying to that is the result of a guilty conscience. Without getting all emotional about it, I offer two points of view for consideration.

a. All the hardware/audio stuff is used. Some of the things offered FF don't even work, and yet I'm flooded with response! All of it is being offered at half the retail price. I wouldn't likely take offense if someone thought I stole this s##t from someone's house and have cut it into bits and offering it for sale. That would a possibility. Amusing, but possible.

b. It's a very wide assortment, and all the pieces number one each, only two of them are two each. Not qualification for being a dealer, who would be able to 'deal' in pretty large quantities. The GO threads come closer to a business, as the member can make a small profit. Nothing wrong with that - if they're taking the trouble, they should make a bit of money. The good thing about a community like TE is that most are aware of pricing and pricing trends, so a good offer is easier to spot, and a fake is quite easy to tell.

c. I am entertaining a pretty large audience of members over the next two days at the sale location, and would be glad to show my work badge - and those visitors would get the idea that a person with a multiple lakh rupees invested in audiophile equipment, musical instruments, and PC hardware, would have accumulated a pretty large surplus. I am sufficiently paid in my day job - which involves fooling people into thinking they want things they really don't want - to go around doing this to make money. In short, I don't need the money, but people might need the hardware, and it's decent quality enough to warrant a bit of compensation. If this is not enough to give you confirmation, call up Gulbir and ask him who I am, by name. I have been buying stuff from his shop for ages, and am his expert audio consultant when he sells to studios and stuff.

4. (yeah I know, two things, right?) As for the number of items on a thread dictating the fees, if I was smart I'd split my subjects into multiple threads, or post different things on different days. That is not the real answer - the real answer is in self-regulation and vigilant members. Profiteers have very clear posting patterns and they can be spotted miles away. I wouldn't be so worried (Jeez, now I sound like a troll).
 
^ Hehe, don't worry. TE stands by its members and Market Section would never have any kind of fees or cut or commission.

Members have a right to use our Market and it is their to serve only one purpose - to make sure you find the right buyer/seller at an honest price :)

So normal members who are not dealers/distributors - don't have to worry about zilch.
 
Umm, no, that wasn't the point of the message, actually. I wasn't talking as much about myself as about the community as a whole.

A 'Commercial Member' is usually defined as a community member who also has commercial interests with the group - that he could market a product/service/idea to other community member. But first, he needs to be part of a community and not just a pusher of goods. It's a pretty thin line, because once a member has access, they can post in other sections, PM users and integrate into the community.

Normally, this is a great concept. Not only do you get good support because of the community effect and the source is technically expert, the commercial member gets an interested, focused audience for his products. And can justify premium features to audiences that can understand it.

Outside of commercial transactions, the Commercial Member is like any other member - interacting and contributing within the boards. This is where the real danger lies.

An example: There's a discussion on motherboards, and our guy offers motherboards for sale. Is he allowed to participate? Surely he can't be blocked from talking about the topic - stands to reason since he sells them, he would have some knowledge. Can he talk about his offerings? I guess he should be able to, to make a point or two about the discussion. Can he put pricing info and comparison? Well, the community gets to make a value decision, so that should be OK. Then someone puts in an opposing point of view. How hard does he push?

As you can see, moderation is the key, but not by Moderators (no offense!) - only the Commercial Member can self-moderate and keep the experience pleasant. The crux of the issue is that I'm not sure how many 'dealers' today in the country can claim to have the needed maturity, experience and technical knowledge to qualify for such a title and membership. One? Two? Ten?

IMHO, a better bet would be to allow brands and companies with professional marketeers to interact here. Though their interest will also be commercial, their maturity should also be a bit more as they don't have to worry as much about the next sale as about the image of the brand/company. Five years back, I would think that even marketeers weren't mature enough, but a lot has changed the younger tech-savvy lot should be able to use this kind of medium for the benefit of both the member and brand, and also channel some sales to the dealers. I don't know how locked-in the current ad contracts are though, so that will be up to the forum mods.

Compulsory disclaimer1: I am employed in advertising, and one of my roles is to spot new media and trends, such as blogs, communities and user-generated sites.

Compulsory disclaimer2: I do not handle any technology brands.
 
Rio/Sangram- I, or any other regular member on TE would complete a trade in the market section only if we see an inherent value that justifies the effort that goes into it....

If a dealer/distri (with vested comercial interests) is willing to complete trades where I see any extra value in it (Read: Prices lower than the regular channels), I do not see any harm in it....

I wonder how using a additional tag, thereby making the process all the more complicated would help it.....

Self regulation is the key here..If the dealer decides to state the fact explicitly, that he/she is indeed a dealer; all the better! Even otherwise, I presume it is OK...

Additionally, as soon as a regular member (not all though) posts an item up for sale, a vested interest in pushing that product gets created which is no different from what a dealer would do...So I am not sure what purpose would that additional tag serve :)
 
There are some issues with dealers. These are some things we worry about and is basically why we tend to disallow dealers in market

1) TE market is a medium inherently for its members to buy sell. We are providing a medium for our members to sell and buy things. Imperative to this is trust. When you know a guy who is selling things is a long term member of this site, you trust him(which is, btw, no means to guarantee safe trade but its one step towards it)

2) Once you allow people with commercial(and only commercial interests) to enter market there are quite undesirable spinoffs. Top of them is huge bogus postings from dealers. eg if there are 10 dealers selling a product all might make a post for that product and keep on bumping it.(i am sure members will spot such trades but thats hardly the point, what will happen is that we will have a flood of bogus and non-attractive trades with very few good ones)

3) The above can, some might argue be avoided by minimum rep or posts. That firstly stops some legitimate users from selling plus it stops nothing as people will still spam to reach that post count. Its extremely hard to monitor quality of posts.

4) Its tricky also for us. Dealers selling in bulk might also cause "ripoffs" based on how good a dealer is. TE is not a ebay where we take fees from dealers and can offer security from people who buy. We have to maintain a way so that liability of TE is 0 but still making market a good place to trade.

About thread start, it will be done soon. things are in work and lot of good things ;)
 
Safin said:
things are in work and lot of good things ;)
Sorry for spamming :ashamed: but i had to say this...i love lines like this... :D
Hoping to see a lot of great new features...the new market is itself a great place...:hap2:
 
Safin said:
Once you allow people with commercial(and only commercial interests) to enter market there are quite undesirable spinoffs.

I think that basically sums it up for me as well.

However, do look at audiocircle and the model they use for commercial members. AudioCircle

It's a pretty good model because all the 'dealers' are actually the inventors holding IP / copyright / reputation, are pretty knowledgeable, and also offer some awesome products at (what seems to a lot of people) reasonable prices.

Of course you can't implement that in this field of PCs, as it's pretty much 'screwdriver' technology, but there are still possibilities, specially when it comes to custom cooling, modding services like case mods/paint jobs, specialty peripherals or needs (like aids for the handicapped, remotes, the sort of thing that's tough to find in local markets). I have no clue who would offer such stuff, definitely not dealers, though.

The problem lies in drawing that line accurately, and then sticking to it. Honestly, I would rather have it commercial-free (except the ads, somebody's gotta pay for hosting) and use other means to satisfy my buy-lust.
 
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