Forum Feedback The concept behind Trophy Points

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We always try to judge people we meet based on attributes like their age, their education & designation, their salary etc. We do this to adjust our behavior towards them before we are sure how to behave around them. Same goes for the forum world, age on forum, designation based on their post count or their achievements based on the reputation points or likes.

Now each of these have their merits and flaws.
Age on forum -
A high value may show that he is a seasoned user.
It can also be that he has simply registered before many others and is dormant.
A low value usually means a newbie but is it right to dismiss him entirely because he came to the forum later.

Post count
High value suggests a contributing member which is almost always good for all.
He can also be a spammer with low quality posts so you cannot always trust him based on this count.
Low post count is usually a lurker but he could also be someone who focuses only on detailed and quality posts.

Likes/reputation
A high number of likes is a good indicator that the posts are useful and likeable.
A low number of likes will help to identify user who has not participated in the forum but that may not always be the case.
Anyone who was a good contributor in early years of TE always had high reputation point and anyone new can hardly ever match up to that. This due to the fact that reputation points were no longer being used and the rep power of new users was not high enough to give sufficient rep points at a time. So we needed to do away with this non-functional system.

Now considering all of that, it is usually one or the combination of above that we use to build our opinion about someone. It then makes sense to have a metric which is a combination of all and goes further to reward participation.

Trophy Points
Following is the sample of how trophy points are awarded.
10 Can't Stop!
You've posted 100 messages. I hope this took you more than a day!

10 I Like It a Lot
Your messages have been liked 25 times.

10 First Anniversary
You have been registered here for a year and have posted at least 50 times. Congratulations!
Now go through this link and have a look at what all gets rewarded and you will notice that anyone who has crossed 50 reward points has been around enough and contributed enough to know the TE culture - http://www.techenclave.com/community/help/trophies

Going forward this list can be expanded upon to include reviews and guides, most helpful answers etc and it will become even more meaningful.

What makes it even more functional is the fact that trophy points does not discriminate between a member with 3k post against a member with 4K post. It is based on milestones and not ranks.

And that is why I do not want to have post count, age on forum or likes to be displayed on the postbit when we have a much more inclusive metric to base our opinion on (when we need to). Anyone who needs to do a deeper background check of a member can further open his member info popup by clicking on his name, we don't need to this all the time and it takes a fraction of a second. Or visit his profile to even check his recent posts.

Lastly, I understand it is a big changes from how most of us have been reading into postbit info but give it sufficient time. Also if needed we can of course look at bringing back the post count and other details.
 
earlier system had option to view members according to ascending or descending order for following criterians : Nick name / joining date / posts / reputation.

is it possible now to add that feature, so that members list can be sorted according to different criteria and viewed.

A better way to pre empt an opinion regarding a member.
 
Now considering all of that, it is usually one or the combination of above that we use to build our opinion about someone. It then makes sense to have a metric which is a combination of all and goes further to reward participation.
Interesting philosophy. Putting it in a classroom context, it resembles course work & participation rather than one exam at the end. You get graded on a lot more with the new system than with the older one. A more representative score based on broader criteria and its all lumped into one metric now.

Personally i don't care what my or anybody's points are. The value of a forum isn't in getting validation when you're right but rather getting positive correction or criticisms when you are wrong.

Getting it wrong in a forum is more valuable to me than being right.

Trophy Points
Following is the sample of how trophy points are awarded.

Now go through this link and have a look at what all gets rewarded and you will notice that anyone who has crossed 50 reward points has been around enough and contributed enough to know the TE culture - http://www.techenclave.com/community/help/trophies

Going forward this list can be expanded upon to include reviews and guides, most helpful answers etc and it will become even more meaningful.

What makes it even more functional is the fact that trophy points does not discriminate between a member with 3k post against a member with 4K post. It is based on milestones and not ranks.

And that is why I do not want to have post count, age on forum or likes to be displayed on the postbit when we have a much more inclusive metric to base our opinion on (when we need to). Anyone who needs to do a deeper background check of a member can further open his member info popup by clicking on his name, we don't need to this all the time and it takes a fraction of a second. Or visit his profile to even check his recent posts.

Lastly, I understand it is a big changes from how most of us have been reading into postbit info but give it sufficient time. Also if needed we can of course look at bringing back the post count and other details.
Thx for explaining the ideas behind, lets see how it goes. Whether this system is better or not than the previous remains to be seen.

One thing i can say is you removed the ability to discriminate based on the usual criteria so now we have to evaluate the quality of the post. People to be judged on the basis of how they post in the present rather than points awarded for past achievements.

Getting more likes or twice as many than posts will help identify the most valuable comments. man, how to do that !!! Only the guys with insider knowledge can pull this one off. To have incredibly timely knowledge that can be exploited by others. Hot tips :D

Where did you get this idea of trophy points from ?

Is this the new way forums are going or did you dream this up yourself.
 
Because its a change from the usual. A challenge to the social order or pecking order and hierarchy.

This philosophy puts more emphasis on WHAT somebody says than WHO said it.

My guess is it will increase participation and decrease band wagoning.

But what about topics where the reader knows nothing about. Where are the familiar markers there. The tendency here is to give more weight to somebody
- that posts regularly
- in the section concerned
- has more experience etc that gets manifested either my association with the tech concerned, professional experience etc.

Basically, somebody that fulfills the above criteria is more credible than somebody that does not. Not always but generally speaking. Just because so called expert says something chances are they are more likely to be right than wrong. Just blindly trust the 'expert'.

This is what is known as an appeals to authority fallacy.

But they could be dead wrong and often are. Unless people critically & objectively evaluate what is being said there is no way to tell either way. If a skeptical and questioning envrionment is fostered then everybody is better off as opposed to a popularity contest.

So in the current system somebody that just joined could disrupt a conversation and take over because they will be judged more on what is said rather than who they are. The barrier to entry just got lower. Chances of a response from others increases.

Better discussion ?

Let's see :)
 
i dont really go into the whole point who said what , where and how experienced he is or not ,
maybe a new guy who just joined today , could be the expert in hardware answered my question , i really wont be knowing that from this trophy points no?
its a new toy ,maybe some people might like it or not , doesnt matter to me at least ,
 
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