The rape of Avanthika

[avi]

spoilers of movie Bahubali ahead.

I was searching something and I stumbled upon this article, which talks about a particular scene in movie Bahubali - link

There is a scene in Bahubali where hero Prabhas molests Tamanna. The scene is quite fcked up. The TLDR of the article is:

It’s really quite simple, you know. If she does not know you are doing it, it’s a no. If she does not understand what you are doing, it’s a no. If she says no, it’s a no. If she resists you physically, for god’s sake it’s a no. If she has not said yes, it’s a no. In all the above scenarios, if you replace her with a person of another gender, it’s still a no. And if you don’t have consent but still go ahead, it is molestation.

Article uses the word 'rape' however I think the word 'molestation' is correct.

But whats more fcked up is response of Rajamouli for the article mentioned earlier:

Now, SS Rajamouli opened up on this issue and he said that he will direct the scenes that attract more audiences. He said “If I shoot any scene I don’t think about logic, I will think only whether, this scene will attract or not”.

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[drkrack]

This was my first reaction to the scene, nobody in my group of 10 friends I saw movie with , subscribed to my thinking.

It's no doubt a rape at the beginning but turned to a consensual sex by the end of the act. Result matters, even in Rape too.

Immediate Reactions from Bollywood :
1. How dare me & you can talk about this? We don't have artistic freedom of expression in this country anymore. All because of a central govt with Fundamentalist mentality.

2. On news hour Great director Mahesh B & Great writer Shobha D will blame us as Dirty minded MCPs.

 

[vivek.krishnan]

Here is my viewpoint on this -

Either way you look at it, can be either wooing/flirting or stalking/molestation. That is true of every guy going after every girl. The director just took some artistic liberty.

And in unrelated news, Bollywood has said that it will stop showing people shooting/killing/screwing others since it leaves a bad precedent. They will not show any negative traits in their characters.

 

[Party Monger]

Agree with all the OP said. But 2 things -
1) An artist has the freedom to show a rape scene.
2) There is nothing called "became consensual at the end" FFS. (someone posted that above)[DOUBLEPOST=1444638276][/DOUBLEPOST]

It's no doubt a rape at the beginning but turned to a consensual sex by the end of the act. Result matters, even in Rape too.
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LOLwut? Put someone close in her place and then tell us if "Result matters, even in Rape too."
Seriously where do you guys get this stupid thinking from?

 

[avi]

1) An artist has the freedom to show a rape scene.

I agree with freedom, but the way it is shown is, as if its okay thing to do.

and it was more fcked response by Rajmouli. If what he is saying is true, does that mean audience likes to watch molestation?

 

[Party Monger]

I agree with freedom, but the way it is shown is, as if its okay thing to do.

and it was more fcked response by Rajmouli. If what he is saying is true, does that mean audience likes to watch molestation?

I know it doesnt feel right, but like I said, artistic representation is allowed without the need for compensating or showing it as wrong. Maybe a warning like tobacco warning at the start off the movie.

 

[drkrack]

Here is my viewpoint on this -

Either way you look at it, can be either wooing/flirting or stalking/molestation. That is true of every guy going after every girl. The director just took some artistic liberty.

And in unrelated news, Bollywood has said that it will stop showing people shooting/killing/screwing others since it leaves a bad precedent. They will not show any negative traits in their characters. [emoji14]

Disrobing a woman without consent, especially when she's fighting back will come under molestation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_teasing

If anyone is audacious enough to disrobe a woman without consent and call it flirting will be someone like Tarun Tejpal (drunken banter).

Agree with all the OP said. But 2 things -
1) An artist has the freedom to show a rape scene.
2) There is nothing called "became consensual at the end" FFS. (someone posted that above)[DOUBLEPOST=1444638276][/DOUBLEPOST]
LOLwut? Put someone close in her place and then tell us if "Result matters, even in Rape too."
Seriously where do you guys get this stupid thinking from?

LOL, you're a great thinker who can relate yourself to a fictional character.

Had she not fallen in love with him, what'd disrobing of a woman without consent implicate? Rape isn't it? That's why the result matters. (BTW Thanks for calling someone Stupid on a public forum : but it shows what level of argument you're mentally capable of)

I agree with freedom, but the way it is shown is, as if its okay thing to do.

and it was more fcked response by Rajmouli. If what he is saying is true, does that mean audience likes to watch molestation?

Precisely the mentality needs to be addressed. It's a glorification of molestation which is unethical, similar to glorification of smoking, glorification of crimes against women etc. It could've been accepted to some extent had the movie came with A certificate, unfortunately it's U/A.
We might be nitpicking a trivial issue, but every freedom comes with certain limitations and responsibilities, even Artistic Freedom of Expression (Read Charlie Hebdoo fallacies).

 

[Party Monger]

Disrobing a woman without consent, especially when she's fighting back will come under molestation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_teasing

If anyone is audacious enough to disrobe a woman without consent and call it flirting will be someone like Tarun Tejpal (drunken banter).

LOL, you're a great thinker who can relate yourself to a fictional character.

Had she not fallen in love with him, what'd disrobing of a woman without consent implicate? Rape isn't it? That's why the result matters. (BTW Thanks for calling someone Stupid on a public forum : but it shows what level of argument you're mentally capable of)


Precisely the mentality needs to be addressed. It's a glorification of molestation which is unethical, similar to glorification of smoking, glorification of crimes against women etc. It could've been accepted to some extent had the movie came with A certificate, unfortunately it's U/A.
We might be nitpicking a trivial issue, but every freedom comes with certain limitations and responsibilities, even Artistic Freedom of Expression (Read Charlie Hebdoo fallacies).

Sorry, don't remotely agree. The intention was to rape. Justifying it by saying that she fell in love with him because of the rape and so now its not rape is.. wait for it... stupid.

 

[avi]

Precisely the mentality needs to be addressed. It's a glorification of molestation which is unethical, similar to glorification of smoking, glorification of crimes against women etc. It could've been accepted to some extent had the movie came with A certificate, unfortunately it's U/A.

arey it doesn't matter if you do that without consent, it's illegal dude

 

[drkrack]

arey it doesn't matter if you do that without consent, it's illegal dude

I'm talking about Directors mentality my friend. It's ultimately his POV, which is distasteful. He chose to show a near molestation as a visual treat & harmless flirting. He's ready to show more if it pleases the public. Ultimately it's a fight of POVs, we thought it's disgustingly portrayed.

Instead of The Hero had the villain (with heroine fighting similarly against it) done the same? It'd be rape isn't it? No amount of visual effects could've converted it to a beautiful artistic expression.
My perspective is that since the intentions can't be proved, if it's distasteful portrayal of harming a woman's modesty, it should be disliked by the community irrespective of whether it's hero or a villain who does it.

What's the message you're driving home to the kids? it's ok to disrobe a woman against her wishes if you truly love her? Cinema is a powerful medium, needs to be used responsibly.

You can take a A certificate and show such things the way B Grade adult movies show it regularly. The director would be right in that he's showing it to adults instead of kids.

It's fiction movie set up in a different geopolitical perspective. The hero wasn't shown as a 'The Rapist' type but as a beauty 'TheRapist' type instead. Let's leave it at that, I can't explain further.

 

[asingh]

Is this the scene where he tattoos here..?

 

[avi]

Is this the scene where he tattoos here..?

Yes

 

[asingh]

Both are equally stupid:

1. The actual scene.
2. The public uproar over a mindless movie, I probably ranked 9/10 or 8/10 on this board.

It was really not supposed to be a movie.

 

[Mr India]

maybe it was the makeup but that smooth skin was heavenly. i could eat off her body

 

[cellar_door]

I wonder why this specific movie is being targeted (although I am happy at least its a conversation thats happening), I havent seen it but it doesnt sound different from every other movie thats made in India. Indian movies since forever show romance as a guy borderline stalking or sexually assaulting a girl and the girl at some point says yes. Of course she does, its a movie. But that is kind of the message movies have been sending to the masses over the last 50 years or so.

Harassing a girl isnt harassment, its just part of normal courtship. Its a ****ed up view being constantly being shown as the norm. So of course thats what our teenage boys learn. Which is why eve teasing/sexual assault/rape etc is so ingrained in our culture.