This whole Ram Setu thing ...

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Hey Ram! What's politics coming to? | Sonia 'saves' Ram

Basically rite now ships travelling frm the eastern countries to the west coast of india need to go around sri lanka.. The canal that the govt is proposing to build would shorten the time taken considerably by allowing them to go thru b/w india n sri lanka using the canal.. So everyone is now up in arms saying it would destroy the legendary ram setu that exists underwater bw india n srilanka and now its become a topic of political debate for the cong n bjp (as always).. There has been an email circulating on the web since long showing nasa photos of a bridge visible between india n srilanka, u must've come across that email.. Thats what its all about..
 
Had an argument with dad about the same today..:P I think, tht the ram setu is no human made bridge from ramayana, but is a geographical feature of the earth...there is no documented evidence tht it is man made..n given the tech(if it existed) of tht time, its impossible for human beings to have created it..

but Dad, like many other thinks tht all these things are beyond proofs n science..n no logics of today can define these things..:no: though i may not disbelieve in the fact tht ram n the rest existed..but they may have been just like u and me..ie. normal human beings..they were prolly made to look like god thru the ages of undocumented folklores...:no:

I find it hard to believe tht there were any such things are demons, flying udan khatolas (putting leonardo da vinci n the wright brothers to shame..:P ), n magical powers...if it was thr, then why has all tht disappeared now?? Why are human beings so frail now?? ITs all because everything has a documented proof nowadays...so its not easy to fool ppl with tales of might n magic...;)
 
yeah the bridge, rather A bridge is there.. But whether its the one Lord Ram's ppl built or not, thats what evryone's debating.. ASI(Arch Survey of India) also said in their affidavit that there is no valid proof of Lord Ram's existence and thats caused another uproar...
 
^That SHOULD have caused an uproar and I'm glad it did. I'm an atheist but attacking someone's faith like that is plain outrageous. I can't imagine what'd happen in a more orthodox country if someone questioned the existence of a "god".
 
The fact is that the value that the stories serve is greater than the effort put by the ships going around the "Setu" .

Claiming that there is no evidence of Shri Ram is saying that there is no God . and say there is no historical evidence of God .

While that very well might be the case , All the culture that is associated with it loses credibility to an extent . Being infuenced by the Ramayana and the Mahabharata early on , even with the presenatation of facts , i can believe in God even when they say that the Shri Ram setu is manmade or Shri Ram did not exist .

But what about the next generation . We certainly want them to realise and learn what they can from the culture what we have to offer rather than an OD of Pokemon , Catroons , McDonalds , Pizzaa , Coke .

No other religion would be tolerant enough like we are on this Issue . We would like to believe . Or is it a fact that we have just stopped caring ?
 
All said and done:

1. If it is a man made structure, then it is a historical monument and must be preserved.

2. If it is a natural structure, then it is an important geographical feature, and must be preserved. Just like the coral reef in Australia.

3. There are alternative routes. No, not around Sri Lanka. Use them. It will cause less anxiety.
 
correction- A few hundreds of extra miles

As for me, im not going to have an openion on this as i support both the sides...let time solve the problem.
 
Private Ryan said:
Had an argument with dad about the same today..:P I think, tht the ram setu is no human made bridge from ramayana, but is a geographical feature of the earth...there is no documented evidence tht it is man made..n given the tech(if it existed) of tht time, its impossible for human beings to have created it..
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You're right .. it wasn't man-made!
Coz' it was originally supposed to have been built by apes :clap: :clap: :rofl:

And regarding the topic title.. Once I was seeing just the title - I assumed it was a typo on Keane16's part asking something about Ram Setup! :rofl:
 
=CrAzYG33K= said:
And regarding the topic title.. Once I was seeing just the title - I assumed it was a typo on Keane16's part asking something about Ram Setup!
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Kumar said:
As for me, im not going to have an opinion on this as i support both the sides...let time solve the problem.
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I'm with you on this one..

For the BJP, the timing couldn't have been better, what with Gujarat, the original laboratory of Hindutva going to the polls in November.
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Did u ppl notice this line in the IBN news item.. So true!!! Why do such things always happen in india arnd poll time...
 
Reportedly NASA has disowned that satellite picture by saying they have not released any such pictures, rumour is that those pictures were even used by politicians in Parliament about 6 months ago when this issues was not so huge to convince the government of dropping the idea of building canal on ramsetu.
 
Whatever may be the point(regarding ram setu) but i dont get the point why the vhp and peeps have to stop train in mumbai/bihar/and other parts of country if its being demolished in sri lanka side.....

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cant they personally go to the spot to save it???instead of bringing the country to ransom...cant they goto stop parliament which takes decision according to their own knowledge waste crores of tax payers rupees..earn handsom bribes..travel in luxury cars..and ask us why u dont pay octroi vat double tax...catch there throat..why are we being harassed

Also regarding NASA picts...NASA said yup picts our own property...but we didnt said a word....u ppl drawing your own conclusion(in short nuthin said jus picts our their courtesy)
 
Had a big debate with my friend who is also a hardcore hindu, goes to vhp camps etc. He gave me this link, the article is by rss member so it will be biased.

Why the Ram Setu must not be destroyed

The bridge from nasa's sat photo.

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Video of the bridge.

YouTube - Adam's Bridge
 
it exist..but its a mountain...and according to beleif its a setu.....and wht goverment says is we dont have proof its man-made or vanar made..which epic says....ofcourse its a total controversial stuff....but i too think if frm so many years this plan was never implemented.....right after 1860 it was proposed and still nuthin done..than whts the point going for it now...better fine some other route than disturb harmony...make a land route frm southern tip by implementing some machines to transfer stuffs and earn again crore of taxes
 
I hope they leave it as it is if not as a religious symbol, but at least as a geographical landmark.

Damn these politicians, they always try to stir up the people by bringing in caste, religion or community into the picture. I don't understand why people always have to fight over petty things like these. This matter may have a bit more significance than the rest, but I have seen completely non-issues being linked to religion in some or other manner and make a big issue out of it.

None of the majority people in this country are actually native to this country. All the Aryan's (Most of north India) are of European and Iranian origin. So even Ram is technically an European or Iranian. All Dravidian's (Most of South India) migrated from the Middle East. Same goes for the Muslims who migrated from Afghan and other places. All these people settled in India and made it their country.

So most of us people in this country are technically outsiders who migrated from other places and instead of living in harmony, the people fight among themselves. The politicians some how manage to stir up some fools who think they have more right to this country than others. The only people who gain from all this are politicians who have their own agenda, their ultimate goal being power and money.
 
Private Ryan said:
Had an argument with dad about the same today..:P I think, tht the ram setu is no human made bridge from ramayana, but is a geographical feature of the earth...there is no documented evidence tht it is man made..n given the tech(if it existed) of tht time, its impossible for human beings to have created it..
but Dad, like many other thinks tht all these things are beyond proofs n science..n no logics of today can define these things..:no: though i may not disbelieve in the fact tht ram n the rest existed..but they may have been just like u and me..ie. normal human beings..they were prolly made to look like god thru the ages of undocumented folklores...:no:
I find it hard to believe tht there were any such things are demons, flying udan khatolas (putting leonardo da vinci n the wright brothers to shame..:P ), n magical powers...if it was thr, then why has all tht disappeared now?? Why are human beings so frail now?? ITs all because everything has a documented proof nowadays...so its not easy to fool ppl with tales of might n magic...;)
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huh? :rofl:

I'll put up a reply by taking some experts from some newsreports.

Was Krishna god? - No he was a man
Was he blue? - No he was black.
Was buddha god - No he was a man.
Did kurukhshetra happened? - Ofcourse.

You see the concept of God in Hinduism is very very different than how you think it to be.

Can you bring prove of the winged horse (buraq) that took Prophet Mohammed to heaven in one night from Jerusalem? It will be nice if we can also get proof of virgins giving birth and corpses coming alive and flying skywards. But then, these are topics which when investigated will soil Congress' collective dhoti.

Can you give us any proof of the very existence of Jesus? Oh, the desperate christoterrorists (Ambika soni and some others who ordered this to be drafted). Well, why don't they iterate in the same loud voice how there is evidence that Jesus never existed. In other words, not absence of evidence for Jesus the christian man-god-who-never-was, but how in fact there is evidence he could not have been. "Jesus of Nazareth" - and other such inane impossibilities. Says it all really.

One does not require evidence that Rama Setu was man made to protect it. For example, there is absolutely no evidence that Jesus existed, yet Christian shrines are protected as a mark of respect for Christian sentiments. There is no evidence that Allah exists or that Muhammad flew out to the heaven on a horse in an overnight expedition, yet the mosque that purports that story is protected as a mark of respect for Christian sentiments.Nothing more, nothing less, Hindus believe that Rama built a bridge in that area. It is sacred waters for the Hindus. It must be protected. One cannot have double standards.

Similarly as I said Ram was a man if you go by absolute scientific points, however you need to realise the issue here it is with that of sentiments. But yet The dharma gives you much flexibity to consider Ram as a man and also peoples that considers him as God.

For many he is only God and for many he is one among many God, Dont mistake what I'm stating for polyatheism. It is short of mistaking the wood for the tree. The bewildering diversity of Hindu belief - theistic, atheistic and agnostic - rests on a solid unity. "Ekam sath, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti", says the Rig Veda: The Truth (God, Brahman, etc) is one, scholars call it by various names.

What the multipicity of deities does indicate is Hinduism's spiritual hospitality as evidenced by two characteristically Hindu doctrines: The Doctrine of Spiritual Competence (Adhikaara) and The Doctrine of The Chosen Deity (Ishhta Devata). The doctrine of spiritual competence requires that the spiritual practices prescribed to a person should correspond to his or her spiritual competence. The doctrine of the chosen deity gives a person the freedom to choose (or invent) a form of Brahman that satisfies his spiritual cravings and to make it the object of his worship. It is notable that both doctrines are consistent with Hinduism's assertion that the unchanging reality is present in everything, even the transient.

So If Ram is reverred by millions by God not only in India in most of Asia for literally thousands of years why not protect a place which is sentimental for it?, go to East Asia, Bangkok, Thailand they cannot think without Ram, Angorwat temple in Cambodia rings any bell? If no Ram was there bharata? Valmiki? Do you realise of you take out the word Ram thosuands of big/small kingdoms in Asia to what not would become redundant i.e. your assuming all of such kingdoms were absolute fools to even consider the existence of Ram.

To speak honestly I'm kind of aethiest but I can see the balant social engineering while your failing to do so. You will be compelled to think 'I need proof for this to beliefe' while others will 'trample through your way' and 'you wont seek proof to believe the other way' because you have been socially engineered the same way, this is a part of divide and rule policy.

Your absolutely beefooling yourself if you dont see the history of world order and how religion plays a big big role in it. The very reason NO scientific developement in India was encouraged and sanctioned were in placed more or less right from when we got independence has to do with the FACT that we are not in the anglo-saxon world order.

Now coming to 'documentation'. Your talking about documentation? what is documentation? Who documented what First? You mean like the British census of 1800 which documented over 2000 groups in various places and branded them under 'Schedulded Castes and Tribes', the burden of which we face even today from the commies stating oh Hinduism created 3000 castes so give them Quotas for all? Or you mean how William Jones from 1800 tried to 'document' and 'manufactured' the Aryan Invasion theory just to relate it with Noah's great flood and somehow link it with the Bible and world order of that time? you want me to state how Ram was documented in ancient times? there are lots of references and it will fill pages, I hope you understand the difference between Ittihasas and Puranas the very Ramayana falls under Ittihasas the other one being Mahabharata and it literally means 'what has happened', so for now lets simply say what the 'colonalists' documented of Ram Sethu, go through the down article.

Please read this,
SPECIAL STORY

This will give you insight only what the 'Colonialists' documented, afterall they taught us including Persia/Greece/Rome/China that our history is false and their history is correct until science (read : from archeology to genetics) is proving/proved them wrong repeatedly.

This is a very dangerous tactic that today hindus are being required by court to prove his faith. And that too in India.

Government of India then says there was no proof to prove Ram's existence, How this any different from what the Marxists, Macaulayites and Missionaries say anyway? Why not be it GOI's official position then? Where does the position of GOI to keep religious sensitivity goes now? or it is okay as far as Hindus are marginalised?
 
shareKhan excellent analysis.

Lord Nemesis said:
I hope they leave it as it is if not as a religious symbol, but at least as a geographical landmark.

None of the majority people in this country are actually native to this country. All the Aryan's (Most of north India) are of European and Iranian origin. So even Ram is technically an European or Iranian. All Dravidian's (Most of South India) migrated from the Middle East. Same goes for the Muslims who migrated from Afghan and other places. All these people settled in India and made it their country.

So most of us people in this country are technically outsiders who migrated from other places and instead of living in harmony, the people fight among themselves. The politicians some how manage to stir up some fools who think they have more right to this country than others. The only people who gain from all this are politicians who have their own agenda, their ultimate goal being power and money.
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:rofl: :rofl: LMAO One word, BS ( Read : BULLSHIT) You ask me why? Each sentence of your post is 'PURE BULLSHIT', so ask me which part I'll point it out, Peoples like you are glaring examples of the level of social engineering that has been done, perhaps a tip off what I can say is all that learn from the destruction of the Roman and Greek civilization.

Dude you really cracked me up :ohyeah: so where from you want to start Genetics? would be a better and scientific starting point eh? then we can move on to other hardcopies like Archeology/Radio Carbon Dating, then we can move on to Records of times ; then linguistics, philology and other such 'soft' stuffs can come later.

Talking about Genetics, a Rudimentary representation (Small scale representation of India (Read : Gives overall picture in world context of human migration but not in details about specific to Indias context to the level of kingdoms)) of a Flash is here of Human movements throughout the world, http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/timeline.swf

Honestly this forum wouldnt be the place to talk about this so I've refrained from replying you properly :ashamed: PM me if you want it to take it elsewhere, I'd love to be proven wrong by all these marvellous theories you have stated.
 
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