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anandkrishnantc

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Hi all,
I have a question on torrent tracking.
If I download a .torrent from a private tracker and start down/up loading, how the site keep tracking the ratio? I will not be logged in always. Is this thru the ip address of the machine on which the .torrent file had been copied?
if yes, is the tracker keep checking the computers connected?
Please somebody explain
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anand
 
I hope you are asking this only out of curiosity:bleh:
No,it needn't be the ip address from which the .torrent was downloaded
(so if you are using a different IP for browsing the site,it doesn't matter.)
and also it is not by checking the IP of the computers connected ,that are downloading the said torrent
as many users have dynamic IP Adress so,it's difficult to keep track using IP address.
But usually,what most private trackers do is use an encrypted pass-key method(one that is embedded in your .torrent file,which you can see on the tracker website,or even in the utorrent details.)
This key is unique to every user.And utorrent updates to the tracker after time-to-time, 50 minutes usually.and that is when the tracker gets the information the amount you downloaded/uploaded in the mean time.

P.S.-I suggest you read the bit-torrenter's guide or "the guide every bit-torrenter should read" on the forums
But still if you have any query,Iam just a pm away :tongue:
 
parasharenator said:
I hope you are asking this only out of curiosity:bleh:
No,it needn't be the ip address from which the .torrent was downloaded
(so if you are using a different IP for browsing the site,it doesn't matter.)
and also it is not by checking the IP of the computers connected ,that are downloading the said torrent
as many users have dynamic IP Adress so,it's difficult to keep track using IP address.
But usually,what most private trackers do is use an encrypted pass-key method(one that is embedded in your .torrent file,which you can see on the tracker website,or even in the utorrent details.)
This key is unique to every user.And utorrent updates to the tracker after time-to-time, 50 minutes usually.and that is when the tracker gets the information the amount you downloaded/uploaded in the mean time.

P.S.-I suggest you read the bit-torrenter's guide or "the guide every bit-torrenter should read" on the forums
But still if you have any query,Iam just a pm away :tongue:
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thanks for the information. Yes. I checked the trackers. There is a passkey link to the tracker. In that case, if somebody "steal" others torrent file, still then can download and the ratio will get updated with the original user name right?
For the tracker its the same person still....
 
for the tracker, it is one user from different ip addresses. which means your site account is deleted by their mods! :tongue:

the updates happen every 30 minutes, & on start of torrent.

tracker tech is quite good now, so ghosting or evading ratio updates, or even faking them doesnt work. straight BAN :banned::chair:
 
ok tell me one thing, if suppose i m using a tracker from one isp say bsnl and then i change my isp to say airtel , then wat , its my account only it will be logged in from 2 diff ip addresses but they wont be used at the same time simultaneously , then can i use my account for browsing and downloading without getting banned!

please clear this
 
MohitPreet said:
ok tell me one thing, if suppose i m using a tracker from one isp say bsnl and then i change my isp to say airtel , then wat , its my account only it will be logged in from 2 diff ip addresses but they wont be used at the same time simultaneously , then can i use my account for browsing and downloading without getting banned!

please clear this
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this happens often for many people.

note the difference between simultaneous and one-after-the-other.

you login from diff ip & you ul & dl from diff ip at different times, so thats ok.

but if are logged in from 2/3 ip at the same time then that is an indication of account sharing. exceptions are made for users who have seedboxes/ dedicated lines for ul/dl.

again, if you have a laptop, which has the same torrents ul & dl, and it keeps moving between ISPs, the tracker see's you as a single user, as the set of torrents is the same. but if you share your account, the people typically have different torrents ul/dl from their individual IPs. so they get caught.
 
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i wonder why such torrent sites have so many rules of not sharing the account , tracking diff ip's

maintaining good ratio's, no hit n run , banning users

and wat they themselves do is the worlds largest piracy network

wat double standards : they set rules when they themselves break rules , doing large scale global piracy and then asking for donations to keep ur accounts alive!
 
MohitPreet said:
i wonder why such torrent sites have so many rules of not sharing the account , tracking diff ip's

maintaining good ratio's, no hit n run , banning users

and wat they themselves do is the worlds largest piracy network

wat double standards : they set rules when they themselves break rules , doing large scale global piracy and then asking for donations to keep ur accounts alive!
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when you join the sites, you become a pirate too.

would you like your information available to anyone?

what you downloaded/ uploaded/ when/ from where?

all the rules are meant for the users security and anonymity which is what users also want.

so, sharing is a strict no-no, else it would be difficult to say who has shared an account, and whose account has been hacked by an unknown and is being misused for downloads/ tracking other users downloads.

ratio - give what you get, as much as you can. you download from someone else, not from a dedicated server. so whats the issue with sharing for others? stop being selfish, you shellfish.

hit n run ^ same as above.

donations - you really should look up cost of hosting a tracker, and the bandwidth, cpu & memory required for a reliable tracker service, even if the files are not hosted on the servers. several 100's of dollars/ euros a month. Plus security to safeguard your info with the tracker, your usage history etc. anyway its a donation, not compulsory. if you maintain a good ratio, you do not need to donate.

cheers!
 
So hosting a file on sites like rapidshare,mediafire should be more feasible because these servers reward the uploader with points,cash with the no of times the files have been downloaded.then the cost is reduced right?
 
ggt said:
So hosting a file on sites like rapidshare,mediafire should be more feasible because these servers reward the uploader with points,cash with the no of times the files have been downloaded.then the cost is reduced right?
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ideawise - yes

practically, can u put a file for download which 1000's of people would download? only that would earn you a few dollars. would you necessarily pay to download from these sites? free users have a lot of restrictions here.
 
Except for sites like rapidshare all other hosting sites do give resume feature with mediafire also allowing to download many files simultaneously.plus the download speed is anytime more than 2xthe download speed of torrents.i for one prefer hosting sites than the torrents.some friends who have 24x7 free downloading have to wait for around 2-3 days for seeders for downloading to begin.torrents are good for downloading for older archives IMO.
 
ggt said:
Except for sites like rapidshare all other hosting sites do give resume feature with mediafire also allowing to download many files simultaneously.plus the download speed is anytime more than 2xthe download speed of torrents.i for one prefer hosting sites than the torrents.some friends who have 24x7 free downloading have to wait for around 2-3 days for seeders for downloading to begin.torrents are good for downloading for older archives IMO.
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pffft

would you like to see torrent sites that can max out 100mbit lines? have you heard of 0 day torrent sites?

for torrents, your speed depends on the site. closed sites give you much better speeds than open ones.

for a list check out: Torrentking.org - Torrent Tracker List

P.S. some sites have in excess of 100,000 users today, with most as seeders, as they are closed sites.

P2P is much better at all this. from rapidshare and others, in case the copyright owner complains to the site, they are required to delete the files. no issues of the sort with P2P.
 
Agreed but until the bandwidth improves in india these torrents do not make any difference.plus by maintaining the "ratio"you end up devoting a part of your bandwidth for others.you do not have to care about that on those servers.plus people like me who do not have the luxury of 24x7 unlimited broadband the hosting sites is the only solution otherwise i might end up being
Banned within a week for not maintaining the ratio.
 
ggt said:
Agreed but until the bandwidth improves in india these torrents do not make any difference.plus by maintaining the "ratio"you end up devoting a part of your bandwidth for others.you do not have to care about that on those servers.plus people like me who do not have the luxury of 24x7 unlimited broadband the hosting sites is the only solution otherwise i might end up being

Banned within a week for not maintaining the ratio.
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that's a point.

at the same time, i have had a 256 Kb connection for a very very long time, yet had a super ratio on all sites i was a member of (still am).

a saying sums it up

"kuch paane ke liye, kuch khona padta hain"

Cheers!
 
MohitPreet said:
i wonder why such torrent sites have so many rules of not sharing the account , tracking diff ip's
maintaining good ratio's, no hit n run , banning users
and wat they themselves do is the worlds largest piracy network

wat double standards : they set rules when they themselves break rules , doing large scale global piracy and then asking for donations to keep ur accounts alive!
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In the "underworld" the king word is TRUST. Thats how its being run. Otherwise, it will never last more than a week.
Any betrayal will be rewarded with death penalty
:)
 
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