Voyeurism in India

[Lord Nemesis]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...nd-9-other-employees/articleshow/46832481.cms

Well, the issue itself is nothing surprising considering the utter lack of respect for women in the country and the increasingly obvious perversion and mental sickness of what seems to a considerably sizeable portion of Indian males.

What I don't understand is this necessity to drag the top level company executives in the name of enquiry when such cases crop up. It was done in Uber case, it is being done now.

If the top level executives are so responsible or important for such enquires, then why is it that I don't see Modi being summoned and harassed every time BJP party workers indulge in much more serious mischief (every day). Why is it that AK is not summoned every time his party workers or MLAs goes on a rampage in Delhi. Same goes for Sonia Gandhi and Congress.

 

[Spacescreamer]

If the top level executives are so responsible or important for such enquires, then why is it that I don't see Modi being summoned and harassed every time BJP party workers indulge in much more serious mischief (every day). Why is it that AK is not summoned every time his party workers or MLAs goes on a rampage in Delhi. Same goes for Sonia Gandhi and Congress.

They dont have a system in place, no proper procedure, no laws, no basic guidelines either.
So when there is a hue and cry, the immature bunch try to appease by laying their hands on whoever they can afford to.

Add to the mix our 'mature' news agencies, and we have all the clowns for the circus show.

 

[booo]

and the increasingly obvious perversion and mental sickness of what seems to a considerably sizeable portion of Indian males.

Thats a considerably sizeable generalization.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

^^ Generalization and extrapolation is the basis of all statistical figures quoted by the govt and media. While generalization may not always hold good and technically unscientific, It is still the basis for a lot of statistics that we hear every day.

When I see comments from hundreds, may be thousands of people trying to justify perversity, what else do you want me to infer from that. When a 70+ year old nun was gang raped, do you know that 6~7 comments out of every 10 on the news in news sites were either making light of the matter saying that its not news worthy and is normal everyday thing or in some manner trying to justify the act?

 

[ankushv]

If the top level executives are not held responsible they will not be motivated enough to keep a check on some of their rogue staff who indulge in this voyeuristic behaviour .

 

[booo]

6~7 comments out of every 10 on the news in news sites

well 6-7 out of 10 is not a true representation of the Indian population distribution. on the topic about statistics, a good statistician chooses the sample in such a way that represents the whole set of things/people.

IMO generalization leads to racism, xenophobia intolerence and the likes. heck, till yesterday every male indian was a rapist and today every male indian is a pervert. huh!

 

[v.Na5h]

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[dpandey]

Some of these actions result from tunnel vision and apathy rather than any desire to hurt women. I can imagine a meeting where someone raised the issue of theft and the smartest shop floor manager suggested that they install cameras everywhere. Concerns like privacy would never even come up.

I remember one incident that happened in our office. We had an official policy of sending a security guard with women employees going back late in the evening (you could call up a cab and bill it on the company). Then the company decided to outsource the cab service to mer* cabs. In a meeting, it was suggested that we stop sending the security guard since the company was no longer liable. The thinking from the management staff was on purely legal/finacial ground. Women's safety had never been a consideration.

I would be surprised if any of these people are voyeurs or misogynists (forget one or two oddballs). They are probably cowards who are unable to think beyond their immediate short term needs.

 

[asingh]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...nd-9-other-employees/articleshow/46832481.cms

Well, the issue itself is nothing surprising considering the utter lack of respect for women in the country and the increasingly obvious perversion and mental sickness of what seems to a considerably sizeable portion of Indian males.

Am not really surprised. There is such a lack-luster, care-free attitude around all this, here in India. People love to probe into the privacy and solitude lives of others for cheap kicks and thrills. Staring and gawking is second nature to men, here in India. Perverted society.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

well 6-7 out of 10 is not a true representation of the Indian population distribution. on the topic about statistics, a good statistician chooses the sample in such a way that represents the whole set of things/people.

IMO generalization leads to racism, xenophobia intolerence and the likes. heck, till yesterday every male indian was a rapist and today every male indian is a pervert. huh!

How big a sample size do you think would be used for most statistics that you see everyday in newspapers, from private orgs or those that are quoted by Govt giving figures about a state or entire country. A few thousand in each state may be? How do you approach at figures like there are 850 girls for 1000 boys e.t.c. How would you arrive that a state as 72% literacy? What about poverty rate or unemployment figures? How does the govt ensure that the sample is representative of entire state or country? Major decisions are taken based on such statistics.

Also, when an analysis says that 1 out of 10 people in the world is left handed or that 7 out of 10 Indian males take dowry, does that mean their sample size was 10? My data set was a couple of thousand comments in an English news paper from Indians who are educated enough to read and write English and the comments were those that made it past the moderation which means that the really nasty ones weren't even there. Not a true representation of the country for sure, but if that is the kind of stuff coming out from educated India, post the moderation, I dread to think about hearing people's opinions in their raw uncensored form.

 

[drkrack]

How big a sample size do you think would be used for most statistics that you see everyday in newspapers, from private orgs or those that are quoted by Govt giving figures about a state or entire country. A few thousand in each state may be? How do you approach at figures like there are 850 girls for 1000 boys e.t.c. How would you arrive that a state as 72% literacy? What about poverty rate or unemployment figures? How does the govt ensure that the sample is representative of entire state or country? Major decisions are taken based on such statistics.

Also, when an analysis says that 1 out of 10 people in the world is left handed or that 7 out of 10 Indian males take dowry, does that mean their sample size was 10? My data set was a couple of thousand comments in an English news paper from Indians who are educated enough to read and write English and the comments were those that made it past the moderation which means that the really nasty ones weren't even there. Not a true representation of the country for sure, but if that is the kind of stuff coming out from educated India, post the moderation, I dread to think about hearing people's opinions in their raw uncensored form.

You're partly right here, the sex ratio calculated on basis of Census, not on sample sizes. Majority of government policy makers for statistical calculation, denominators are derived from census ; which is fairly large and relatively well managed. Birth and death registration etc are fairly well managed & maintained, Unless people willfully give wrong information, which cannot be corrected easily by statistical methods.

Whereas these private organization making statistics is mostly farce and skewed to suit their point of view. Especially those like promiscuity, sex lives, perversion ; as you rightly pointed out the sample sizes are pretty low, even to derive any kind of statistically significant conclusions. The statistics of these studies won't be valid for any kind of presentation for universities or scientific research.

 

[booo]

^my problem is the conclusion that generalizes all Indian males as perverts. Agreed that there is a problem with voyeurism and privacy in India. but branding every male as a pervert is not correct IMO.

India needs some serious regulations on privacy.

 

[drkrack]

^my problem is the conclusion that generalizes all Indian males as perverts. Agreed that there is a problem with voyeurism and privacy in India. but branding every male as a pervert is not correct IMO.

India needs some serious regulations on privacy.

Try to understand, who benefits from all that ?
Unless they make a unconventional headlines nobody will be bothered to read it, this is the sensitivity we have reached due to media stooping so low to get their TRPs.

If they don't make headlines saying that majority of Indian men are perverts or Rapists, no one will bother giving a second look. They'll cook up unscientific statistics to support their point of view.
Presstitutes is the right word I think.

And our whole women empowerment is targeted towards what clothes they should be wearing, whom they can sleep with & who will have final word on this? Watched a pathetic video My Choice by Deepika Padukone?

Individual Privacy rights definitely needs to be addressed by the government, before it reaches breaking point.

 

[Party Monger]

All men are perverts? Then all muslims are terrorists! such thinking is beyond stupid, and idiots that think this way are a part of the problem. Then there are idiots that go "We men deserve to be humiliated cause of the things we do" No biatch, rapists and molestors need to humiliated and punished.

There are good men everywhere. How about you guys restrict your overly generous critiquing to those that actually commit the crime so that the good men can be a part of the solution instead of being blamed.

Whatever happened to the scientific approach of solving a problem.

FYI Voyeurism is a well known fetish. Its not bad generally as long as it doesnt get in the way of normal day to day stuff like cams in the effing dressing rooms. Consent or assumed consent (like someone f*ckin in public place) are important.

This is why sex education, and not just what goes where, but deeper on fetishes etc is necessary. So that CONSENT can be driven into peoples head. If that doesn't happen, you can all just complain for centuries more to come.

 

[kippu]

so where did this thread go

 

[krugur]

There is no proper sex ed in the country where the teachers guide and help the students to understand it.
I remember my sex ed class was a half hour of our teacher explaining the importance sex, how to keep ourselves health and why do it after marriage.
Noone listened and noone really understood why we were talking of this.
Proper education on this can lay the foundation required for better mutual respect.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

^my problem is the conclusion that generalizes all Indian males as perverts. Agreed that there is a problem with voyeurism and privacy in India. but branding every male as a pervert is not correct IMO.

India needs some serious regulations on privacy.

Care to show me where in this thread I said that all Indian males are perverts?

"considerable number of Indian males" does not equate to "all males"

"considerable" just means a large number and I definitely meant that.

In any case, I have personally yet to see a "considerable number of well behaved males" as compared to "considerable number of perverted males". By that I mean those that are under 35 years old and would not attempt to ogle at every female they come across (may be not at colleagues, but strangers definitely). Some may behave nicely when they are around female colleagues or friends, but what about when they are alone or in all male company. In case of some people, their true inner self is brought out into the open when they consume a couple of glasses of alcohol.

 

[Party Monger]

Care to show me where in this thread I said that all Indian males are perverts?

"considerable number of Indian males" does not equate to "all males"

"considerable" just means a large number and I definitely meant that.

In any case, I have personally yet to see a "considerable number of well behaved males" as compared to "considerable number of perverted males". By that I mean those that are under 35 years old and would not attempt to ogle at every female they come across (may be not at colleagues, but strangers definitely). Some may behave nicely when they are around female colleagues or friends, but what about when they are alone or in all male company. In case of some people, their true inner self is brought out into the open when they consume a couple of glasses of alcohol.

Looking at a female is not indecency. Catcalling, stalking, touching and molesting is. India is a poor country and half the population hasnt seen girls dress well. So lets not get elitist and label "considerable" number of men's as "sick". And for ****s sake keep your judgement to yourself. There are a lot of pervs, but nothing that gives you the right to throw broad strokes and condemn all of us, just to come out looking as the boss good guy. I've seen way too many of your types who are just too eager to throw the rest of their kind under the wheel to either feel better or just come out looking good.

Hang those who commit the crimes, but dont blame even a single innocent guy.

 

[booo]

Care to show me where in this thread I said that all Indian males are perverts?

"considerable number of Indian males" does not equate to "all males"

"considerable" just means a large number and I definitely meant that.

In any case, I have personally yet to see a "considerable number of well behaved males" as compared to "considerable number of perverted males". By that I mean those that are under 35 years old and would not attempt to ogle at every female they come across (may be not at colleagues, but strangers definitely). Some may behave nicely when they are around female colleagues or friends, but what about when they are alone or in all male company. In case of some people, their true inner self is brought out into the open when they consume a couple of glasses of alcohol.

you generalize i get mad; i generalize you get mad. i feel you bro.

 

[asingh]

Looking at a female is not indecency. Catcalling, stalking, touching and molesting is. India is a poor country and half the population hasnt seen girls dress well. So lets not get elitist and label "considerable" number of men's as "sick". And for ****s sake keep your judgement to yourself. There are a lot of pervs, but nothing that gives you the right to throw broad strokes and condemn all of us, just to come out looking as the boss good guy. I've seen way too many of your types who are just too eager to throw the rest of their kind under the wheel to either feel better or just come out looking good.

Hang those who commit the crimes, but dont blame even a single innocent guy.

The way Indian men look at females (virtual scanner and then continue to gawk and settle on the upper body half) is quite indecent, to be honest. If I were to recollect, I have probably seen far more lecherous and perverted eye-sighted males on the streets with respect to women than decent ones. I clearly remember a girl was walking by in a skirt. Two men were staring like owls at her, from a far distance. I was observing this. She got close to them, and clicked a photo of their motorbike's license plate. And walked off. What was their reaction..? They laughed, guffawed and gave each other a high-5. Why did they do this...? Cheap kicks, and it is what turns on Indian men. To see a female traumatized, and give them 5-6 seconds of dire and desirable attention. Even if that focus is riddled with hatred and melancholy embarrassment, due to the men's sickening and obscene nature. They were not poor, and seemed well off. I am sure they had seen a girl "dressed well". And what has poverty got to do with seeing girls in good attire. What is the definition of "girls dressed well"..? Please can you tell me...? Be it: saree/salwar/denims/skirts/shorts or matter-of-fact any dress, females are traumatized and victimized on the streets.

It is solely justified to paint a wide angled brush on Indian men: As perverted, hyper-sexual, and obscene, specially when pertinent to females of any age.