What do you think about our Foreign Minister
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The best one yet. No debate on that.
ABSOLUTE DEFINITION OF A DIPLOMAT !
ABSOLUTE DEFINITION OF A DIPLOMAT !
chetansha
Juggernaut
the best, bestest, Laser eyes. His glance makes every nation pee in their pants
deadbynight
Explorer
I think tharoor would have been better but that's just a pipedream at this point, unless he switches. Maybe leader of opposition?
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Quasar
Hmm, I can name two other foreign ministers that were more consequential.
Charan Singh who was responsible for getting the world to recognise Bangladesh as a new country instead of the '71 war being written off as just an aggressive action by India and no world recognition of Bangladesh.
Jaswant Singh who was instrumental in getting India back on the main path (read as with the west) after the '98 test where pretty much everyone abandoned us except the French & Russians. The French wanted to begin a strategic relationship. Imagine that.
He's quite the politician. Seems to play more to the home crowd than his main audience which is the world. Though I'm sure he'd claim that as well.
He's a skilled diplomat and more than qualified for the job.
But has he pulled India's balls out of the fire like the other two? No
How do you rate his handling of 370 revocation? Was it not big enough a problem?
Why do you think so? Tharoor lives in the colonial Anglo-centric world. He still wastes time litigating stale grievances. Besides, we don't know what dirt his party bosses (i.e. secret services) have on him. His wife's death is still a mystery. There may be even more.
The world SJ is navigating is very different. Even though he can sound aggressive at time, he is far better suited for the current environment than a back room dealer like Tharoor.
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Quasar
370 handling was more down to Amit Shah and the interior ministry
In what sense?
The problem has always been parliament from what I understand
Internal was the easy part.
The fact that pakistan's friends didn't make it a big deal indicates some very sophisticated back end diplomacy.
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Quasar
They couldn't and neither could the PA because it was a political move and it was a coup for us.
I don't think much diplomacy was involved here. The rest of the world didn't redraw their maps to include po jk and haven't changed their view.
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Point 1 - A crook . He was a retired officer who went to work as soon as he retired . For high level postings after retirement there is a cooling period .
2. He is a hypocrite . He has a foreign wife , his son and daughter are citizens of US and yet the govt he represents wants Indians to study in govt schools , work , run business in India . He does not know the meaning of setting an example ?
3. His daughter a former model worked for Ambani , he worked for Tata .. So you know how he became a foreign minister with no experience on the political side of things . He is just another officer who has been absorbed into the Modi system for his skills of just listening and not questioning .
His achievements are zero , except doing ground work for cronies of Modi . If he had been competent the world would have reacted against pakistan , stopped their funds .
2. He is a hypocrite . He has a foreign wife , his son and daughter are citizens of US and yet the govt he represents wants Indians to study in govt schools , work , run business in India . He does not know the meaning of setting an example ?
3. His daughter a former model worked for Ambani , he worked for Tata .. So you know how he became a foreign minister with no experience on the political side of things . He is just another officer who has been absorbed into the Modi system for his skills of just listening and not questioning .
His achievements are zero , except doing ground work for cronies of Modi . If he had been competent the world would have reacted against pakistan , stopped their funds .
pretty mid. we got raked over hot coal all the same. everyone thought we were being unreasonable for removing Article 370, and he was never sufficiently able to convince the world that restrictions put in place were justified.
now there's that, forget about 2019, check out whats going on with post OP Sindoor delegations. MEA dropped the ball so hard on this. majority of delegations were greeted with mid to high level representative , nearly all of them did not even publicly acknowledge the delegation let alone supporting india. delegation to the US met zero US govt officials and only just conducted a press conference. Whole world thinks us attacking the pakis was the usual india-pak bs, no one thinks our actions were justified, heck more people today believe in the pak version of events than indian. now in all of this, where is our esteemed external affairs ministers ? lets be real, if he fails to garner unequivocal global sympathy after that nazi/isis level barbarism then he's just another indian politician to me. concerned about his core voterbase and nothing more.
You are going to get a push back (esp from the west) whenever you change the status quo. The real question is, how things end up in the long run. 1971 was quite bad, but everyone accepted India's position in the end. Same for the nuclear explosions. Will everyone accept India's position on JK, lets revisit after a few decades.
If you have the courage to create facts on the ground, the world will adjust to it.
Although many (both on left and right) claim that India is a status quo power, we are not. There are a lot of unresolved issues in our region that need addressing. Dismantling Pakistan is one of them. We should just do what is needed and weather the backlash.
I agree with the delegation part though. Not sure how useful it it.
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i half agree with your point. that the west does not endorse change readily. but the sheer fact that we could not rally the world after such heinous attack remains a glaring failure on our part no matter what. you know i have very good american friends, on the night we counter-attacked they asked what happened and would india further escalate. you might be shocked to know that they had no idea what had happened in kashmir , all they knew was tourists were killed. and they're people i have known for 7-8 years now. they know their geopolitics, but all the media they consumed had sanatized the coverage. you tell me what has our external affairs minister, or rather mea done to counter that ? what did they do to counter op sindoor falsehoods coming out of pak?
its not about jaishankar or modi / bjp or congress. the sheer fact that we failed to globalise this barbarism, the fact that people beyond india, see this as yet another india-pak bs rather than for what it was is a resounding failure of our nation, and i would say a slap on the face of the families of the victims. those families, people who suffered in poonch with shelling, can all rest assured that they wont be getting justice. india is at this point incapable of bringing any lasting and meaning accountibilty - heck we are not having ay meaningful dialogue on security lapses that led to the attack in the first place. also the entire international community is indifferent of our sufferings because we are either so incapable or so inconsequential that they dont give two shits about what we suffer or not as long as it doesnt lead to nuclear annahilation.
el_diablo
Forerunner
This is the main problem according to me. Western media in its coverage is almost always biased when it comes to India, I rarely see any western media posts praising any initiative by the current govt, while anything which is perceived to be remotely wrong is hounded upon and I think this is mainly due to Modi's image prior to the 2014 election.
The fact that you compared that incident to nazis and isis as a benchmark shows how effective the biased western media(including the movies, television) is in setting the narrative.
You think the world media will be moved by emotions? No body is going to care about "armed gunmen" shooting tourists in another continent. We don't hear much about conflicts in Africa in our media too
We have no media or soft power whatsoever(one that matters). Either we ignore what they think of us like china or we try to bring up our own. Even Russia with all its alleged psychological warfare brilliance is going no where with RT so, you know how tough it is to penetrate that wall.
If I have to guess, our foreign minister with his sharp rebuttals using facts is trying a different approach like contesting the credibility of the west(and its media) and also indirectly saying that we are at a point where we don't care what they think.
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This is just blind support for a dumb minister . Nothing but whitewashing inefficiency with laser eyes graphics .
Is that why an all party delegation is currently roaming around the world to showcase our point of view ? The joker Jaishankar has been grounded for now and seems to be solely concentrating on getting work done for cronies .
After 26/11 the whole world supported us . A supposedly weak PM and FM were able to garner support , caught and killed terrorists and the victims did get some kind of a justice .
We still have no clue how the terrorists came in , carnaged and went back . All we see is some abandoned building in pakistan being bombed and claimed that 10 terrorist camps /sites were destroyed . Not even 1 dead corpse among the destroyed buildings .
Now this is abject bullshit. What about the pics where Pak's army tops were praying with dead bodies of terrorists and them saying even if their entire family is lost, it doesn't matter. And Pak compensated them in few crores of Pak monies ? And those pics being used by Shashi Tharoor in international diplomatic discourse ?