What do you think about our Foreign Minister

Now this is abject bullshit. What about the pics where Pak's army tops were praying with dead bodies of terrorists and them saying even if their entire family is lost, it doesn't matter. And Pak compensated them in few crores of Pak monies ? And those pics being used by Shashi Tharoor in international diplomatic discourse ?
See , this Pakistan vs India exists because of the West .
I am all in for a visa free movement and trade just like what we have with Nepal . Ideally a railway line to Europe from India through Pakistan . Unless we have some sensible leaders I am sure that is not going to happen .

Do I have a problem with any pakistani ? No . Do I have a problem with terrorism ? Yes
Do jayshah or Doval son have a problem with the pakistanis ? Do they not trade with them in Dubai ?
 
My post was as response to your earlier claim:
Not even 1 dead corpse among the destroyed buildings .
That post have nothing to do with your new claim:
See , this Pakistan vs India exists because of the West .
The reason for Pak's split from India during independence period is obvious, everybody know that, no need of explanation.
I am all in for a visa free movement and trade just like what we have with Nepal . Ideally a railway line to Europe from India through Pakistan . Unless we have some sensible leaders I am sure that is not going to happen .
Now this is even more funnier, no sensible leader in any part of world would like to see such a free movement with Pak.
Do I have a problem with any pakistani ? No . Do I have a problem with terrorism ? Yes
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
Pak is now synonymous with terrorism.
Do jayshah or Doval son have a problem with the pakistanis ? Do they not trade with them in Dubai ?
They are doing business in Dubai, following the rules of that place. Don't think they will do anything which harms nations interest.
 
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they know their geopolitics, but all the media they consumed had sanatized the coverage. you tell me what has our external affairs minister, or rather mea done to counter that ? what did they do to counter op sindoor falsehoods coming out of pak?
Trying to get favorable coverage in western media is a tall order. All EAMs will fail this test.

For me, it was good enough when Vance said that they are not interested in intervention. It was a tacit acknowledgement of the fact that south asia is India's backyard. I couldn't have asked for more.

Which brings us back to the still unanswered question. What did the Indian military do on the 10th morning that forced US to get involved?

On a related note, Indians should stop viewing the pakistan problem as an international issue. South asia for us should be a domestic affair. It has been like this for a million years and 80 years can't change that. All we should ask is that outsiders stay away.
 
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Trying to get favorable coverage in western media is a tall order. All EAMs will fail this test.

For me, it was good enough when Vance said that they are not interested in intervention. It was a tacit acknowledgement of the fact that south asia is India's backyard. I couldn't have asked for more.

Which brings us back to the still unanswered question. What did the Indian military do on the 10th morning that forced US to get involved?

On a related note, Indians should stop viewing the pakistan problem as an international issue. South asia for us should be a domestic affair. It has been like this for a million years and 80 years can't change that. All we should ask is that outsiders stay away.
but there's no other way, if we want to get more investment, we need favorable western coverage. sure, your big time investor could pull up some india expert and that dude will clarify the ground level situation for the corpo. but other smaller investors, some fund who wants to park money, some company which wants to procure some small product. they will skip india for sure. and its not just about media, let me tell you another anecdotal tale. my american friend took this class in his college on some business study something for few credits. in that class his professor was someone who was involved with running india business, he told them in class why india cant compete with asean , not even china. points he raised was you know the usual, shit infra , corrupt govt, politically motivated labour union, but the most he said was, even if they overcome these issues, they had hard time finding smaller overseas investors to get to invest into india because they think india is a hopeless case thanks to media.

now you can say what you want, but the fact is an american is gonna read nyt, wsj , gonna watch cnn or fox. for europeans its their news, for aussies , something else. but when all they read is negative shit, not many are willing to take a plunge into india. and if they dont, if they're not willing to travel or invest here, then how the hell are we gonna grow our economy and more jobs ?


we got to improve our image gloablly no matter what. indians who live abroad and businesses here suffer due to our shit image. and its the job of MEA to do that. it literally exists for no other reason than to project indian interests abroad.
 
Western media in its coverage is almost always biased when it comes to India, I rarely see any western media posts praising any initiative by the current govt, while anything which is perceived to be remotely wrong is hounded upon and I think this is mainly due to Modi's image prior to the 2014 election.
If you think we've got it bad you should see what the Israeli have to put up with :D

Literally hostile anchors rabidly attacking their spokespersons who it must be said possess biblical patience when dealing with such morons. Unlike the Russians (Lavrov or Putin) who just shut these idiots down mocking them by saying 'you want serious talk or chat show discussion' and move on to the next journalist.

Sky UK is a good example of leftie hostile to Israel/ Russia media. So it was most surprising for me to see the way Sky UK sympathetically handled India.

They got an Afghan origin Aussie journalist who had hosted the Raisina dialogues in Delhi a number of times so well clued up to our position to interview the Pak defense minister :cool:

Small wonder she caught him out. Couldn't think of anyone better for the job from an Indian perspective.
If I have to guess, our foreign minister with his sharp rebuttals using facts is trying a different approach like contesting the credibility of the west(and its media) and also indirectly saying that we are at a point where we don't care what they think.
Yeah and he talks to them bluntly.

Lines like,

Europe's problems are the worlds problems but the worlds problems are not Europe's problems

...really underline just how blunt and how point blank western directed

Something I notice Israeli spokespersons cannot do with the world but domestically their public agree with the underlined part

So it seems like Jaishankar is playing more to the domestic gallery than the international audience. It's his style I suppose. Projecting a confident and preparing the world for a future more assertive India.
After 26/11 the whole world supported us . A supposedly weak PM and FM were able to garner support ,
At the UN when we got 10 senior cadres of the LeT designated as international terrorists.
caught and killed terrorists and the victims did get some kind of a justice .
who was caught and killed? When did it happen
We still have no clue how the terrorists came in , carnaged and went back . All we see is some abandoned building in pakistan being bombed and claimed that 10 terrorist camps /sites were destroyed . Not even 1 dead corpse among the destroyed buildings .
Hehe, nah. We left our mark there. Why were there funerals attended by senior military figures no less if no dead corpses. Why is govt of pakistan offering Masood Azhar compensation for lost relatives :cool:

Seeing the HQ at Muridke blown up as it was must have felt good for the Bombay people.

There is psychology involved here and it benefits governments who take the risk

Imagine you get beaten up and you do nothing

Imagine you get beaten up and go blow up the house(s) of the assailant(s) who did so. The whole world sees you do so with impunity.

What is the difference?

Tactically and operationally successful. Isn’t it.
 
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If you think we've got it bad you should see what the Israeli have to put up with :D

Literally hostile anchors rabidly attacking their spokespersons who it must be said possess biblical patience when dealing with such morons. Unlike the Russians (Lavrov or Putin) who just shut these idiots down mocking them by saying 'you want serious talk or chat show discussion' and move on to the next journalist.

Sky UK is a good example of leftie hostile to Israel/ Russia media. So it was most surprising for me to see the way Sky UK sympathetically handled India.

They got an Afghan origin Aussie journalist who had hosted the Raisina dialogues in Delhi a number of times so well clued up to our position to interview the Pak defense minister :cool:

Small wonder she caught him out. Couldn't think of anyone better for the job from an Indian perspective.

Yeah and he talks to them bluntly.

Lines like,

Europe's problems are the worlds problems but the worlds problems are not Europe's problems

...really underline just how blunt and how point blank western directed

Something I notice Israeli spokespersons cannot do with the world but domestically their public agree with the underlined part

So it seems like Jaishankar is playing more to the domestic gallery than the international audience. It's his style I suppose. Projecting a confident and preparing the world for a future more assertive India.

At the UN when we got 10 senior cadres of the LeT designated as international terrorists.

who was caught and killed? When did it happen

Hehe, nah. We left our mark there. Why were there funerals attended by senior military figures no less if no dead corpses. Why is govt of pakistan offering Masood Azhar compensation for lost relatives :cool:

Seeing the HQ at Muridke blown up as it was must have felt good for the Bombay people.

There is psychology involved here and it benefits governments who take the risk

Imagine you get beaten up and you do nothing

Imagine you get beaten up and go blow up the house(s) of the assailant(s) who did so. The whole world sees you do so with impunity.

What is the difference?

Tactically and operationally successful. Isn’t it.
Jaishankar calling out the EU problems is probably why the EU did not enmasse support India and went ahead to give pakistan their loan ?
26/11 most terrorists were killed and one was caught and hanged . Probably you seem to have a short sighted approach towards non-BJP govts ?
Apart from a bunch of clown sanghis on youtube and joker journalists , there is no official documentation or conformation about the Pakistan PM giving any funds for any one .
 
Jaishankar calling out the EU problems is probably why the EU did not enmasse support India and went ahead to give pakistan their loan ?
US is more responsible for IMF loans than EU considering the US were the ones responsible for setting it up after WW2.

And the reason they do so is they are afraid otherwise the nukes will fall into the wrong hands. Amusing and non sensical from an Indian pov because we believe te nukes are ALREADY in the wrong hands.
26/11 most terrorists were killed and one was caught and hanged .
Got any sources. I'm very interested to know who among the people we listed as responsible at the time has been bumped off since.
Apart from a bunch of clown sanghis on youtube and joker journalists , there is no official documentation or conformation about the Pakistan PM giving any funds for any one .
The Pak PM saying so himself?


Is above link acceptable for you or not?
 
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See , this Pakistan vs India exists because of the West .
I am all in for a visa free movement and trade just like what we have with Nepal . Ideally a railway line to Europe from India through Pakistan . Unless we have some sensible leaders I am sure that is not going to happen .

Do I have a problem with any pakistani ? No . Do I have a problem with terrorism ? Yes
Do jayshah or Doval son have a problem with the pakistanis ? Do they not trade with them in Dubai ?
Pakistan vs india debate can get quite heated. But i disagree with your statement. It is not just because of the west. Separatists in our country are to be blamed aswell
 
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See , this Pakistan vs India exists because of the West .
I am all in for a visa free movement and trade just like what we have with Nepal . Ideally a railway line to Europe from India through Pakistan . Unless we have some sensible leaders I am sure that is not going to happen .

Do I have a problem with any pakistani ? No . Do I have a problem with terrorism ? Yes
Do jayshah or Doval son have a problem with the pakistanis ? Do they not trade with them in Dubai ?
the most deluded reply on this forum goes to .....
 
US is more responsible for IMF loans than EU considering the US were the ones responsible for setting it up after WW2.

And the reason they do so is they are afraid otherwise the nukes will fall into the wrong hands. Amusing and non sensical from an Indian pov because we believe te nukes are ALREADY in the wrong hands.

Got any sources. I'm very interested to know who among the people we listed as responsible at the time has been bumped off since.

The Pak PM saying so himself?


Is above link acceptable for you or not?
The US were the ones who put those Nukes in Pakistani hands . Just like the current Syrian President who was once a designated terrorist is now the president of Syria , courtesy the USA .

With regard to the terrorist attack in Mumbai , may be it would help if you read up a bit . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks . Pakistan condemned the attacks then and they did promise to the international community about shutting down any kind of terror outfits .
Pakistan vs india debate can get quite heated. But i disagree with your statement. It is not just because of the west. Separatists in our country are to be blamed aswell
Separatists are not new in India . They have been there from the time the British ruled us . British actively engaged in divide and rule not just with religions but even with castes within religions like Hinduism and Buddhism . Such kind of separatists were aided , funded by the west and different ideologies were funded by different countries . An example of how things work at govt levels . watch this youtube video .
the most deluded reply on this forum goes to .....
When the resolution of the monitor is 320p .. how can it process UHD ?
 
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The US were the ones who put those Nukes in Pakistani hands .
No, it was the Chinese before they signed the NPT.
26/11 most terrorists were killed and one was caught and hanged .
In India. But nothing could be done about the people who orchestrated the attack. Isn’t it. No acknowledgement let alone justice.

We've changed our approach since Uri. That will be the norm since and into the future. And this government deserves full credit for the risks taken.
 
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With regard to the terrorist attack in Mumbai , may be it would help if you read up a bit . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks . Pakistan condemned the attacks then and they did promise to the international community about shutting down any kind of terror outfits .
Pakistan's "trust me, bro" response on a Wikipedia page is something to consider?

The same ones who were harboring the most wanted terrorist in the world until 2011, within spitting distance of an elite military base for over 5 years, and then feigning innocence?

Since then, how have they followed up on their "promise" to shut down terror outfits?
 
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No, it was the Chinese before they signed the NPT.

In India. But nothing could be done about the people who orchestrated the attack. Isn’t it. No acknowledgement let alone justice.

We've changed our approach since Uri. That will be the norm since and into the future. And this government deserves full credit for the risks taken.
How do you know the West did not play a role and used China , made the Chinese insecure about India ?
https://www.business-standard.com/i...-of-mumbai-terror-attacks-123112600047_1.html .
 
How do you know the West did not play a role and used China , made the Chinese insecure about India ?
Who is the west here?

US signed the NPT in '68.

China in '92.

The proliferation by China happened in the '80s as a way to counter India.

Course these days their chihuahua gets mauled by us and we're trained our sights on the real culprits.

And the west doesn't have to make China insecure about India. The CCP knows India is the only power in Asia that can check them without having to be in an alliance. There can never be a Sino centric Asia with a growing and assertive India. Mao was well aware of that.

This fits into US interests neatly as they don't want dominant powers on either end of the Eurasian landmass.
 
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Pakistan's "trust me, bro" response on a Wikipedia page is something to consider?

The same ones who were harboring the most wanted terrorist in the world until 2011, within spitting distance of an elite military base for over 5 years, and then feigning innocence?

Since then, how have they followed up on their "promise" to shut down terror outfits?
Well, It was on the news world over , since they were forced to accept that the terrorists originated from Pakistan . That was then when we had a proper , accountable govt which had a decent approach towards foreign relations and countries .

Political landscape of Pakistan has changed . Pakistan has internal divisions now and it is no more an unified pakistan . If Baluchistan had a chance they would clearly break away from Pakistan and they are now more pro Indian than Pakistan . While there are terrorists in every part of the world , creation of terrorist outfits has largely been the job of the west world wide . They bring about destabilization , uncertainty and the motive behind those terrorist out fits is not about religion but about clearing the ground .

Due to extremist orgs in India and pakistan we seem to forget that we are part of the same DNA and we are doing nothing right in solving the problem of terrorism or doing anything towards bilateral trade .
Recently there was crack down on Rohingyas , Bangladeshis and Pakistanis in India . What were the result ? The BJP ruled states in the North have the highest no of illegal migrants . How did they come or why did they come to Gujarat , UP which are supposedly very Hindu states . The underlying problem is that cheap labour for factories run by the same political people is needed . The bigots who rule those states fan out issues btwn religions as a vote plank , but they will not employ a guy from their religion if he or she demands higher wages than a refugee .
They also have a play of blaming Kerala for being too much supportive of one religion which is to distract and divert their own weaknesses and follies so that the gullible fools in their state will vote for them on a Hindu vs Muslim agenda .

A better sense is a slow take over of Pakistan , clear the route to Iran and build a road /rail network till Europe instead of harping on religion as a tool for divisive ideology .
Who is the west here?

US signed the NPT in '68.

China in '92.

The proliferation by China happened in the '80s as a way to counter India.

Course these days their chihuahua gets mauled by us and we're trained our sights on the real culprits.

And the west doesn't have to make China insecure about India. The CCP knows India is the only power in Asia that can check them without having to be in an alliance. There can never be a Sino centric Asia with a growing and assertive India. Mao was well aware of that.

This fits into US interests neatly as they don't want dominant powers on either end of the Eurasian landmass.
Who is the west here? - It does not mean only the US . It means Europe as well . Even today the UK holds a good amount of sway over the US on their policies and agendas .

Do you think the west invested and nurtured China because someone had a chinese girl friend ? Lol
 
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I find it very strange that some people here on this forum are finding difficult to grasp that India successfully called the bluff of Pakistan regarding Nuclear fearmongering. They are unhappy that war didn't happen and India didn't get defeated with huge losses. It's actually saddening.
As for 10th May sudden ceasefire, I believe India attacked the nuclear stockpile of Pakistan. This is MY personal opinion that Pakistan themselves actually have very few to none of the nuclear weapons. America keeps their own stockpile there to target India/China/Russia/Afghanistan as and when required. This IMF and US aid is just to protect their own interests and not Pakistan's.

EAM has done what he could to steer the false narrative against India. While all mainstream (outdated or legacy) US media tried ultra hard to paint India as the villain, the real stars were some Australian and Afghani news channels. Now Taliban dude was visiting Delhi and wants to be friends with India. They condemned the Pahalgam attacks. How twisted can the world get?
 
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I find it very strange that some people here on this forum are finding difficult to grasp that India successfully called the bluff of Pakistan regarding Nuclear fearmongering. They are unhappy that war didn't happen and India didn't get defeated with huge losses. It's actually saddening.
As for 10th May sudden ceasefire, I believe India attacked the nuclear stockpile of Pakistan. This is MY personal opinion that Pakistan themselves actually have very few to none of the nuclear weapons. America keeps their own stockpile there to target India/China/Russia/Afghanistan as and when required. This IMF and US aid is just to protect their own interests and not Pakistan's.

EAM has done what he could to steer the false narrative against India. While all mainstream (outdated or legacy) US media tried ultra hard to paint India as the villain, the real stars were some Australian and Afghani news channels. Now Taliban dude was visiting Delhi and wants to be friends with India. They condemned the Pahalgam attacks. How twisted can the world get?
That is what I am aldo saying .Earlier govts averted war ,reached out to international communities ,were civil and the whole work narrative was against pakistan.
Now ,we have jokers who fanned up war level enthu and announced a ceasefire. We have a clown who dresses up in different service uniforms , and fans war level rheoteric but buckles down when Trump tells him he is not a tiger but a pussy cat .
 
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That is what I am aldo saying .Earlier govts averted war ,reached out to international communities ,were civil and the whole work narrative was against pakistan.
Now ,we have jokers who fanned up war level enthu and announced a ceasefire. We have a clown who dresses up in different service uniforms , and fans war level rheoteric but buckles down when Trump tells him he is not a tiger but a pussy cat .
Bruh... What side are you on? So you are saying we should have gone on an all out war? Luckily for us, sane voices in govt and army chose ceasefire over mindless annihilation of millions of people in a war. A war that was best avoided proves that we are pussy cats? You are those persons who will blame the establishment just for the sake of it. "Damn if you do and double damn if you don't." :p
 
Bruh... What side are you on? So you are saying we should have gone on an all out war? Luckily for us, sane voices in govt and army chose ceasefire over mindless annihilation of millions of people in a war. A war that was best avoided proves that we are pussy cats? You are those persons who will blame the establishment just for the sake of it. "Damn if you do and double damn if you don't." :p
Seems you need AI enabled in your processor to comprehend what I have posted . I have clearly said we should have gone the diplomatic route buy the supreme clown insisted on retialiation and went on with his grandoise plans until Trump showed him his place .