whats the future for IT ?
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greenhorn said:its a lot worse than 2
heard of the Dead Sea effect in IT ?
I meant to say, me no where related to the IT field, still i know some guys fitting the description..So there are probably loads more..
These guys didnt know the first thing abt computers..:rofl:
Err whats the dead sea effect? Seems to come outta POTC movies..:ashamed:
Dimwits in IT? You must be out of your noggin. Heh. Seriously though, I know quite a few. Sample conversation that happened recently with a dude with 9yr exp :
Dude: "We have been trying to install SNORT for the last 3 months on linux"
me: "Oh. How come?"
Dude: "Well we tried installing on RedHat but it won't work"
me: "Did you try installing on Fedora ?"
Dude: "I said installing on Linux, not fedora.
me: "..." (Shoot me)
The Dude in question is leading a team in charge of IT security somewhere. Shudder.
Jokes apart, strangely enough I get a number of interview requests from a number of companies in these dark times. Obviously I'm shit scared to attempt them as i don't wanna be the guy who is part of the LIFO (last in first out) scheme.
Dude: "We have been trying to install SNORT for the last 3 months on linux"
me: "Oh. How come?"
Dude: "Well we tried installing on RedHat but it won't work"
me: "Did you try installing on Fedora ?"
Dude: "I said installing on Linux, not fedora.
me: "..." (Shoot me)
The Dude in question is leading a team in charge of IT security somewhere. Shudder.
Jokes apart, strangely enough I get a number of interview requests from a number of companies in these dark times. Obviously I'm shit scared to attempt them as i don't wanna be the guy who is part of the LIFO (last in first out) scheme.
superczar said:
Well, I would say thats a problem with the recruiting process itself. Companies like Infosys have the worst recruiting process ever.
Back when I was doing M.Tech at college, Infosys came to recruit from our campus (They were looking mainly for B.Tech graduates). They explained that the process consisted of just a written test and anyone who gets 80% and above in that test gets recruited. Mind you this was a campus where about 5,00,000 students fought over 120 seats. So, though it was no surprise to us, the recruiters were rather surprised that everyone who sat for the test got above their cutoff mark. Then they increased the cutoff to 95 and still about 60 odd all of whom they recruited. I would say thats the worst possible way to recruit. Then, there are some smart ass recruiters ask the most stupid questions like asking the parameters of a WIN32 API. I mean what are you testing with a question like that? whether the candidate has a copy of the MSDN's API reference in his brain !! These kind of interviews do not get the ideal candidates for any IT company.
I have myself interviewed (technical) candidates on behalf of my company, but I concentrate on whether the candidate has his fundamentals of programming right and whether he can build logic given a arbitrary problem and whether he has at least some basic knowledge of general computing and whether he can learn and adapt. I don't care what or how many programming languages he knows. After all, learning the syntax of a new programming language is not so difficult. I do ask some basic questions on the features of C++ since its what we work with, but I do not began and end with it.
People who are good at logic and have a grasp of programming funda's can never become obsolete. Regardless of how poor condition a company may be in, as long as they are working, they would like you keep a guy who can adapt.
The recruitment process for infy has changed. It consists of a logical/verbal test and a interview. I'd say the interview is actually fun as they are not looking for bookish knowledge. Its a very informal interview where they try to know what kind of person you are, and to see you attitude and personal skills. At least that's how it was for me.
I'd prefer such a recruitment process rather than cram R.S.Agarwal's logical book from which 90% of the questions are chosen in other so called top IT companies.
greenhorn said:
Lol, almost every IT company's recru. test pattern and the questions're the same.
Infy (No offense to Infy peeps!!
) recruits from all branches irrespective of whether the student has/had backlogs in IT subjects if they're/they've learnt it.And the test's so damn simple almost 90% who appear for it get selected for the interviews. :lol:
A major chunk from my college (~500) got selected for Infy/TCS/Wipro/Mindtree simultaneously whereas 6 made it out of the 15 shortlisted for MS.
Lord Nemesis said:
ZOMG, which campus is that?? I mean 5L is gross!! :O
Gunman said:
Indian Institute of Information Technology - Allahabad. Back at that time, there were 120 seats for B.Tech and they has their own selection procedure at the time. There was massive competition for filling the seats. Typically 5 Lac students from all over India used to appear for the selection process to fill the 120 seats.
Even my M.Tech selection was one of the best and unique and I enjoyed every moment of it. The qualification was through GATE and the applicants were initially shortlisted by a cutoff on GATE score, the remaining process comprised of a written test with math aptitude, basic programming, general computing and hardware. The good part about this test was that there were questions about overclocking, heat sinks, thermal pastes and hardware in general
which clearly defined the difference between a tech enthusiast and the avg comp engg student with bookish knowledge. Then there was a practical programming session where we were expected to solve a specified programming problem through the language of our choice. The last part was a personal interview where 4 Professors fired questions both tech and otherwise. They filled 30 seats, 15 each for two specializations in Intelligent Systems and Wireless Communications from the 300 that appeared. There was a third specialization in Bio informatics, but the aspirants for that were mostly MBBS and B.Pharm degree holders.
Lord Nemesis said:
They were probably looking to recruit only a certain number of candidates. Infy is not a s/w dev company, it is a services company. Not much hi-end skills are required. And all Infy fresher recruits are given training, thts the reason their interviews mostly dont focus on tech issues.
Lord Nemesis said:
For all we know, that could've been a stress test.
Lord Nemesis said:
Again, like i said earlier, some companies don't have traiing and recruit IT grads directly. Others like Infy,Wipro,etc need and take in shitloads of people, who undergo a very taxing training. The recruitment process might seem crappy to some, but you can't question their training. You gotta go through the blender to talk about the blades.
the pattern has changed again.greenhorn said:
greenhorn said:
Thats because they hadnt changed the pattern, hell, not even the QUESTIONS were changed for a year. Anyone could go online, get some earlier recruitment papers and clear the written tests.
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^It depends on the type of software being developed, it its something related to medical, they will need mbbs ppl to guide them..
blr_p said:
To be exact, there were 7 MBBS doctors who have all practiced from 1.5 to 3 years, 5 B.Pharm's, 2 with a Masters (M.Sc) in Micro biology or something similar and one with a software background if I remember right. In fact that was indeed a good thing for us at the time having more than ample qualified doctors in the campus.
LOL u r talking abt what these IT/service companies take !
You all should have seen during the banking boom ....all frm no name MBA colleges having a good face(in case of chicks) getting 7-8L PA salary
Just pretty faces in PR, marketing.....ask them what a CPU is they are dead (even when they PR for a semiconductor giant ). Cmon needs are different and hence you can't generalize anything.
I have seen many good developers who are not at all connected to gadget world. They wont be able to even connect up the keyboard to a CPU but they can come up or design some good algorithm. We being techies shouldn't boast of that. PPl have their own strengths and get paid according to that !
Cmon if I have make Abhinav(dnt take it personal) to make macros out of Xcel for full day , he wont be able to make it, or say Lord Nemesis to collate date from MS Access and make a document out of it for a company's annual Bandwidth curve it wont be fair
So stop cribbing guys ! Not everyone is made to code , and you cant expect everyone to be a Newton to find an new algorithm everyday.We all hope the economy comes out of this dark days with flying colors so that we can get back to spending more & more on gadgets
You all should have seen during the banking boom ....all frm no name MBA colleges having a good face(in case of chicks) getting 7-8L PA salary
Just pretty faces in PR, marketing.....ask them what a CPU is they are dead (even when they PR for a semiconductor giant ). Cmon needs are different and hence you can't generalize anything.
I have seen many good developers who are not at all connected to gadget world. They wont be able to even connect up the keyboard to a CPU but they can come up or design some good algorithm. We being techies shouldn't boast of that. PPl have their own strengths and get paid according to that !
Cmon if I have make Abhinav(dnt take it personal) to make macros out of Xcel for full day , he wont be able to make it, or say Lord Nemesis to collate date from MS Access and make a document out of it for a company's annual Bandwidth curve it wont be fair
So stop cribbing guys ! Not everyone is made to code , and you cant expect everyone to be a Newton to find an new algorithm everyday.We all hope the economy comes out of this dark days with flying colors so that we can get back to spending more & more on gadgets
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Lord Nemesis said:
I'm gonna assume thats 1.5 - 3 yrs after residency ?
I guess they were not happy with their chosen field or did not get their desired specialisations.
yes, its good to have doctors on the campus but still feels like a surprising choice. It isn't easy getting into med school and the fees are even higher compared to going the engineering route.
There might be a lot of doctors coming out of school every year but it in no way compares to the endless ocean of ppl, requiring health care, in this country (or abroad, especially those with rapidly aging populations).
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Supra said:
I think that's down to the division of labour in this country, assuming they have a nascent aptitude for the subject. By that i mean its this mindset where you have ppl with designated jobs, cos well salaries are much much lower in comparison to developed countries where one person would be by default required to know a lot more than here. And its not that hard to learn over there and is actively encouraged if not required. I've come across many 'pure' coders, it just was not their thing to do anything hardware at all. If you do IT in the corp sector, doing anything hardware is considered blue collar, networking excepted.
Take banks, any public sector bank & see how if one person is not at their desk the other won't be able to slot in and get the job done, most of the time. It occurs less at private banks and come to think of it that might really be the key here, developed or developing country.
OT -- out national occupation is "agriculture" as per our textbook....I think it should be changed to "IT"
Personally , i am also from an IT background.I dont like this IT boom..
Reason ::: every Engg student from every department[Mech,Civil,elec] ends up getting an IT job , if not then call centre.....
so whats the use of an IT or CS student who did his 4 yrs of engg studing Software Engg , data structure, OS , ERP,binary trees,parsers, regular grammer, webtechnologies ETC ETC..
I have seen many many student from other branch ending in such jobs.who cant even shutdown a computer.[only orkut]
PLUS , this student after completing there 2-4yrs in such big and small IT firms ends up with irritation and somewhat in frustration .... after doing CODING stuff ----" WTF!!! mei yaah pe kya katr raha hu ... i am an mechanical engg. "
I think the placement procedure is getting poor.
QUANT n VERBAL -- any one can crack----fresherworld
group discussion ---- ????
interview---- same old question ......Inheritance, polymorphism ,encapsulation etc.. [ since C /C++ is a comman subject to every branch]
EASY to CRACK by any student
the above mention are regarding normal B-C engg college in india ...and not IIT ,MIT , BitPilani etc
Personally , i am also from an IT background.I dont like this IT boom..
Reason ::: every Engg student from every department[Mech,Civil,elec] ends up getting an IT job , if not then call centre.....
so whats the use of an IT or CS student who did his 4 yrs of engg studing Software Engg , data structure, OS , ERP,binary trees,parsers, regular grammer, webtechnologies ETC ETC..
I have seen many many student from other branch ending in such jobs.who cant even shutdown a computer.[only orkut]
PLUS , this student after completing there 2-4yrs in such big and small IT firms ends up with irritation and somewhat in frustration .... after doing CODING stuff ----" WTF!!! mei yaah pe kya katr raha hu ... i am an mechanical engg. "
I think the placement procedure is getting poor.
QUANT n VERBAL -- any one can crack----fresherworld
group discussion ---- ????
interview---- same old question ......Inheritance, polymorphism ,encapsulation etc.. [ since C /C++ is a comman subject to every branch]
EASY to CRACK by any student
the above mention are regarding normal B-C engg college in india ...and not IIT ,MIT , BitPilani etc