Wired NVR setup vs wifi cams

[greenhorn]

I am currently using a bunch of tapo wifi outdoor cams with SD cards and cloud backup subscription at my parents house and am happy with it.

I recently bought a new house (villa) and was curious about a proper NVR setup and was quoted something like 50k for it.
I'm happy with the current setup that I have, it's super cheap (3k for cam, 1k for router ups, 1k for sd card) x3
It's not a mission critical requirement, mostly to see what's going on, and the cloud backup from qubo is cheap and takes care of the "what if they steal the cams" and the router ups provides power backup. What am I missing from a professional NVR setup other than the video quality and the better coverage?

 

[k_m_Arya]

Not sure what qubo cloud subscription looks like but I remember Tapo subscripton is around 9k for 3 cameras per year. For your case you can have the same tapo/vigi cameras connected with vigi nvr. Shouldn't cost more than 10-15k for nvr/1tb hdd and wiring all included, I think. Can also add POE for a little bit more and have a clean setup.

 

[greenhorn]

That's why I'm with qubo. They offer 10 gb storage for 1.5k annually. I'm using 2 devices right now. I don't use full time recording, only motion triggered

 

[ronnie_gogs]

Don't have a dedicated NVR system but my QNAP NAS has multiple NVR options which can be used with different compatible cameras including wifi cameras. I used to use surveillance station before which was phased out.

Currently using QVR Pro which supports like 8000 cameras. Initial license supports 8 cameras which is plenty.

Example of supported TP link cameras : https://www.qnap.com/en-in/compatibility-qvr-pro?brand=TP-Link

 

[kuduku]

I was also looking for a dedicated setup . Why not Tp-link Vigi https://www.tp-link.com/in/vigi-video-management-system/product-list/ . I dont see subscription in this setup
Camera , Bullet
Tp-Link InSight S355 5MP 5800/ https://fgtechstore.com/product/tp-link-insight-s355-4mm/
Tp-Link InSight S385 8MP 7700/ https://fgtechstore.com/product/tp-link-insight-s385-8mp-4mm-camera/
Turret
Tp-Link InSight S455 5MP 5800/ https://fgtechstore.com/product/tp-link-insight-s455-5mp-2-8mm-camera/
Tp-Link InSight S485 8MP 7600/ https://fgtechstore.com/product/tp-link-insight-s485-2-8mm/

Receivers
TP-Link VIGI NVR1008H 8 Channel 3700/ https://fgtechstore.com/product/tp-link-vigi-nvr1008h-8-channel-nvr/

VIGI 16 Channel Network Video Recorder

VIGI NVR1016H is a 16 channel network video recorder that helps you store, live view and playback the feeds.

www.tp-link.com

2 HDD option - VIGI NVR2016H https://www.flipkart.com/tp-link-vigi-nvr1016h-24-7-continuous-recording-network-video-recorder-cctv-nvr-security-camera/p/itmcc879baf2625f?pid=HSAGZ5ZCGHKJ6V8P&lid=LSTHSAGZ5ZCGHKJ6V8PR4JZNP&marketplace=FLIPKART&store=igc&srno=b_1_32&otracker=browse&fm=organic&iid=en_zEj54-uGyt9y0fr-IK3gw7GZzvf9S8SyofJyevJH0j7DG9qi3u57tFqk3cIZbsLHe4oSN7U5YlYTXyu6i1ht0A==&ppt=None&ppn=None&ssid=qnfswhvdgg0000001689458110749

they are also POE camera . require POE switch . I want 4 camera and 1xNVR . 4 Channel is only 2000/ but 8 Channel gives option to upgrade - https://www.flipkart.com/tp-link-ta...amera/p/itmfee4c93365099?pid=HSAH2DYRYYVAQRPZ

8 Channel WIFI NVR - VIGI NVR1108H-W https://www.tp-link.com/in/business-networking/vigi-network-video-recorder/vigi-nvr1108h-w/
EDIT - I took fgtechstore price as reference only

 

[?dOuBtFiRe?]

Am interested in this too. Kindly provide more details.

 

[greenhorn]

Guys, I'm not sure how your responses are answering my queries. If there need to be a general discussion about this, i can request for the mods to create a separate thread

 

[mostria]

I'm thinking about transitioning from real me 360(due to its un reliability in outdoor condition, disconnecting time to time due to wifi limitations),to Nvr things, anyone care me to suggest whats the procedure and budget and equipments!!!!

 

[jayanttyagi]

Guys, I'm not sure how your responses are answering my queries. If there need to be a general discussion about this, i can request for the mods to create a separate thread

This is the general thread now.

 

[k_m_Arya]

@greenhorn My limited experience is with tapo cameras and sometimes they have skipped certain events like vehicle detection. Also not sure how much qubo cameras compress their feed to upload to their cloud, Maybe qubo is uploading substream. Also you might have overwritten certain events if you want to check something like a week later I guess if you have like 5 cameras or something I guess. Their terms and conditions can also change anytime they might introduce per device limit like tapo for subscription to drive up revenue.

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[badwhitevision]

greenhorn

One advantage that is not talked about here is security.

Most cloud cameras are notoriously known to be open to hacks.

This is an article about Hikvision and Dahua but most Chinese manufacturers are probably vulnerable.

Patches can be released, but the best way to avoid all this is to get a local only NVR setup with a VPN that routes you securely to your feed.

Furthermore, with a cloud subscription, you're dependent on the company to continue the service or be left holding e-waste (like how when Spotify decided to stop the Car Thing), whereas with a local NVR setup, you're the boss.

Yes, the convenience of a cloud cam is unparalleled, but I am someone who will rest easy knowing only I have eyes in my house and not everybody on the internet.

Oh, and a young lad like yourself might actually enjoy the DIY that comes with it.

 

[superczar]

Bigger question is why are you being quoted 50k

NVR units (8 channel) are barely 5k
Cameras are cheap too unless you are opting for very high res units .

 

[jayanttyagi]

Bigger question is why are you being quoted 50k

NVR units (8 channel) are barely 5k
Cameras are cheap too unless you are opting for very high res units .

Nvr unit, redundant storage and good cams will go way over 50K.

Those cheap nvr units are very basic.

 

[KAKAN]

Nvr unit, redundant storage and good cams will go way over 50K.

Those cheap nvr units are very basic.

Most cheap NVR units get the job done quite well, too, by the way. Nothing wrong with them. You can start cheap and then upgrade as required.

Also, the newer cheap Hiksvision NVR units have their AI detection thingy, or the one I installed did anyway, along with the square object detection that all NVRs had.
Redundant storage is a whole different topic, tbh. At the most basic, you can set up the NVR to just write to another server through SMB, FTP etc, which should be fine for most people if they want redundant storage.
Heck, it might even be worthwhile to just use an SSD instead. Yes, SSDs have limited writes etc, but that mostly only applies when you're keeping the SSDs unpowered, which in the case of a CCTV setup, is not much. And it'll probably last longer than an HDD before you overcome the TBW limit. I see not much reason to use an HDD aside from cost or if you need to keep them archived at some place for long times lol

 

[superczar]

Nvr unit, redundant storage and good cams will go way over 50K.

Those cheap nvr units are very basic.

Whats amiss for example in a hikvision 7608 that is usually under 5K?
i have used quite a few of the over the years and they are perfectly reliable units that get the job done without fuss.

Now personaly, I have added more stuff to the stack - I use scrypted running on a hypervisor that integrates the cameras with homekit for face recognition, vehicle detection and such..
But all of these things are value adds - and most importantly, the core functionality (i.e. capture/recording/ remote access) remain bullet proof by remaining confined to the purpose built workhorse which is the NVR.

point I am trying to make is that a so called pro setup with an on-premise recorder hardly add any additional cost over a locked consumer camera setup..
but with added relaibility and flexibility

 

[jayanttyagi]

Whats amiss for example in a hikvision 7608 that is usually under 5K?
i have used quite a few of the over the years and they are perfectly reliable units that get the job done without fuss.

Now personaly, I have added more stuff to the stack - I use scrypted running on a hypervisor that integrates the cameras with homekit for face recognition, vehicle detection and such..
But all of these things are value adds - and most importantly, the core functionality (i.e. capture/recording/ remote access) remain bullet proof by remaining confined to the purpose built workhorse which is the NVR.

point I am trying to make is that a so called pro setup with an on-premise recorder hardly add any additional cost over a locked consumer camera setup..
but with added relaibility and flexibility

Of course a basic nvr would be fine for most people and specially if you are using your own stack on top of it.

Also you can check DS-7608NI-M2/8P vs DS-7608NI-K1/8P, price and performance difference are there.

Cameras and Storage are gonna cost way more than nvr itself anyway.

50K is on higher end but it depends what gear they are deploying.