WTT : Double Edge blades

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blr_p said:
Hmm, thought you were raving about the green 7'o clocks' in the other thread :huh:
Wait, green = Indian or Russian?

The description of the ebay listing I bought the sampler from said Russian 7 o'clock. Mine look similar the ones in this listing.

Feather & Gillette 7 O'CLOCK Sampler Double Edge Blades - eBay (item 180416752895 end time Sep-01-10 21:37:36 PDT)

If the green ones are the Indian ones, then they are awesome. (I use Feather if I have 3-4 days of beard growth, 7 o'clock if I have 1-2 days of beard growth)

Presently, of the ones I have tried,

Feather ~= Green 7 o'clock > Derby > Blubird> Shark
 
whatsinaname said:
Wait, green = Indian or Russian?

The description of the ebay listing I bought the sampler from said Russian 7 o'clock. Mine look similar the ones in this listing.
Feather & Gillette 7 O'CLOCK Sampler Double Edge Blades - eBay (item 180416752895 end time Sep-01-10 21:37:36 PDT)
Well this is interesting, the link says they're russian but the packet colour is green. Now i thought the russian ones were yellow as indicated in the blade reviews linked in my earlier post. It also says super stainless instead of 'sharp edge' and no mention of the word permasharp.

The only 7 o'clock ones we get here are green (perma sharp) and black (platinum).

I suppose the ones you got are green and say made in russia ?
 
blr_p said:
Well this is interesting, the link says they're russian but the packet colour is green. Now i thought the russian ones were yellow as indicated in the blade reviews linked in my earlier post. It also says super stainless instead of 'sharp edge' and no mention of the word permasharp.

The only 7 o'clock ones we get here are green (perma sharp) and black (platinum).

I suppose the ones you got are green and say made in russia ?
Gillette Green Pack v. Yellow Pack [Archive] - Badger & Blade

Found this thread.

Interesting, so there are Yellow and Green Russians, Green / Black Indian.

And from a post there,

Yellow-Russian > Green-Indian > Green-Russian > Black-Indian.

I will definitely be trying out the Green Indian ones.
 
The black's retail for more than the green's.

Black's are Rs.40 for a pack of five
Green's are Rs.30 for a pack of five.

So costwise black is better than green by 30% over here.

I'd say its the black's that are coated rather than the green's. Usually thats what platinum implies.

Here's a good summary

Heh, there are Russian blacks now as well :)
 
Also check this

BTW, are the blacks available at most supermarkets or other stores. Also, can somebody recommend a decent DE razor to begin with which is not very expensive. I just want to give it a try and if I like it then can switch to a better. This thread has got me interested in wet shaving now :)
 
Decan said:
BTW, are the blacks available at most supermarkets or other stores.
Supermarkets doubtful, other stores yes. Try smaller ones or the local market.

The big stores want to pimp higher margin products.

Decan said:
Also, can somebody recommend a decent DE razor to begin with which is not very expensive.
The Rs.70 or Rs.80 DE gilette razor comes with a free green or black blade.

Ideally you should get a proper razor but this will work for starters.

Decan said:
This thread has got me interested in wet shaving now :)
Then you want to read this thread.
 
blr_p said:
This is a very common reason given by ppl to switch to DE shaving. Personally i had no probs with the multi-blade systems at all, its just that i accidentally tried out a DE and was surprised at how close the shave was. The surprise being how could one blade be enough after being conditioned into thinking the norm was always 2, 3 or more.

My beard grows from top to bottom on the right and bottom to top on the left.. I'm guessing these opposing grains could have something to do with it.

blr_p said:
Boar brushes have their adherents and do a good job, they are much cheaper than badger ones.

Only reason why I stuck to a boar brush.. I'm still a student :)

blr_p said:
Given you're in the US have you had a chance to try out the Pakistani 'Treet' blades. I hear they are pretty good but since they are carbon steel instead of stainless that they need to be left either in spirit or oil to keep moisture out or they will rust.

Other thing is i notice you're not so much into feathers.

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Sounds like a lot of work to keep them in spirit/oil and cleaning them before using and stuff :(

I'm still waiting to use up my current stock before I try some feathers, etc.

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Good source to pick up second hand razors that can be sterilised for use. The old razors were built to last for generations. I prefer the older gillette TTO with the silo doors, so much easier to use than twisting the top off as with the merkurs.

I agree.. I'm always wary of chopping my fingers when I unscrew the top. Might look for something like the silo doors you mentioned when I upgrade down the line.

blr_p said:
When are you getting into adjustables ?

Like never? :P

Adjustables are crazy scary. Do you use one>?
 
stalker said:
My beard grows from top to bottom on the right and bottom to top on the left.. I'm guessing these opposing grains could have something to do with it.
It's usual to follow the grain with the first pass. If you do that it should not matter which blade is used. But then many ppl also have sensitive skin so the extra blades tend to aggravate the condition.

It's good to map out the grain as it will keep any irritation down to the minimimum. There is an interactive app for this that might be useful.

stalker said:
Sounds like a lot of work to keep them in spirit/oil and cleaning them before using and stuff :(
I'm still waiting to use up my current stock before I try some feathers, etc.
Without a TTO yeah i suppose.
stalker said:
Adjustables are crazy scary. Do you use one>?
I have one, but its still in the case, still giving myself a few more months to get technique down pat.
 
Currently using a Weishi + Dorco blades.

Blade sampler pack should be here in a couple of weeks.

I am quite satisfied with a syntec brush and old spice cream I am using, but wondering whether to go in for an Omega boar or EJ Best Badger brush. Also looking for a triple milled shaving soap, probably Tabac; any suggestions on this?

Also using a tiny alum block I got from a road-side shop for Rs. 20. Feels good, but not too convinced of its usefulness. Cheap pampering I guess.

My face has never been so irritation/bump free since puberty struck.
 
I have no idea which feathers i use but i have a thick double edge razor made out of copper which imo is the best for me.

I started with ready to shave razors and slowly made the transition to old school double edge razors. Got cut several times in the beginning but i've mastered it over time.

I've also got accustomed to the heavy weight of the copper razor. I had to use a light weight plastic ready to shave razor during a trip but it made by hands shake and extremely disoriented.

Other thing i use is a very hairy brush. Some gel. An alum.
 
So an update on the Indian 7 o'clocks. Bought a few packs when I was in India. The Green Indian ones are pretty good and I use them very frequently now. The only issue is that I don't get 4 shaves from these, just the three. (And sometimes even 2). The Black Indian box ones are pretty decent as well. (I prefer them to the Sharks,Bluebirds,Derbys I have tried)

Grease Monk said:
Currently using a Weishi + Dorco blades.

Blade sampler pack should be here in a couple of weeks.

I am quite satisfied with a syntec brush and old spice cream I am using, but wondering whether to go in for an Omega boar or EJ Best Badger brush. Also looking for a triple milled shaving soap, probably Tabac; any suggestions on this?

Also using a tiny alum block I got from a road-side shop for Rs. 20. Feels good, but not too convinced of its usefulness. Cheap pampering I guess.

My face has never been so irritation/bump free since puberty struck.
You could try and look for the Godrej Shaving Round (soap). It's pretty nice. I had to look in a fair few shops to find one, though.
 
Grease Monk said:
I am quite satisfied with a syntec brush and old spice cream I am using, but wondering whether to go in for an Omega boar or EJ Best Badger brush.
The EJ will better than a boar, if you want to see the difference between the syntex.

Is it worth the $40 ? That question is harder to answer. It's cheaper than more expensive badgers. If you want to know the difference, a normal lather with a badger is like a super-lather (cream+soap) with the syntex

The difference is the badger makes is thicker than you could expect to get with a Rs.50 syntex. Foam is the cushion between you and the blade, the thicker it is the better. Now that does not mean you foam up an inch thick, even a thin coat is quite thick. I think if the syntex we get here had 3-4 times more bristles it does then it would work quite well.
Grease Monk said:
Also looking for a triple milled shaving soap, probably Tabac; any suggestions on this?
I'm interested in trying out tallow based soaps but otherwise have not done much research on this as yet. Noticed a coconut based shaving cream at Health & Glo the other day going for Rs.180, first time i see shaving cream in a tub here, will check it out.

Grease Monk said:
Also using a tiny alum block I got from a road-side shop for Rs. 20. Feels good, but not too convinced of its usefulness. Cheap pampering I guess.
The alum block will tell you immediately how good a shave you got. If it stings like hell then it was not that good. I'd say this is its biggest purpose besides closing up pores.

If you get no sting and still felt you got a close shave then you just found a good combo of technique + foam + blade, in short you got a DFS. (damn fine shave)

I went to the barber the other day and for the fun of it let me shave me as well, usual 2 pass with a gilette saloon for Rs.20, he did it quite quick. It was an ok shave, the alum block told me it was not as good. I can easily do better than this at home ;)

Grease Monk said:
My face has never been so irritation/bump free since puberty struck.
Good to know.

I've been experimenting with after shave moisturiers as well, so far the cheap stuff seems to go well, Vaseline total moisture, nivea soft, the former smells better and is cheaper. Though i've yet to try Clean & clear. Prolly a must if smearing mineral oil leads to breakouts with you.

broadway said:
I have no idea which feathers i use but i have a thick double edge razor made out of copper which imo is the best for me.
Could you post some pics of this razor ?

broadway said:
I started with ready to shave razors and slowly made the transition to old school double edge razors. Got cut several times in the beginning but i've mastered it over time.

I've also got accustomed to the heavy weight of the copper razor.
It's all about technique.

broadway said:
Other thing i use is a very hairy brush. Some gel. An alum.
There is no need for a brush if you use gel. Still, its a good idea to use one as it helps raise the beard better.

whatsinaname said:
So an update on the Indian 7 o'clocks. Bought a few packs when I was in India. The Green Indian ones are pretty good and I use them very frequently now. The only issue is that I don't get 4 shaves from these, just the three. (And sometimes even 2). The Black Indian box ones are pretty decent as well. (I prefer them to the Sharks,Bluebirds,Derbys I have tried)
My experience with the green 7'o clocks has not been great, i too get the same impression that they get blunt fairly easy, they don't feel as sharp. Here's hoping the blacks & the platinum supermax i've yet to try go better.

whatsinaname said:
You could try and look for the Godrej Shaving Round (soap). It's pretty nice. I had to look in a fair few shops to find one, though.
This soap is great value for the money, Rs.14 and makes a superb lather, just wish it came in more fragrances, the soapy smell can get tiring after a bit. So far i just use it to make super-lathers.
 
blr_p said:
The EJ will better than a boar, if you want to see the difference between the syntex.

Is it worth the $40 ? That question is harder to answer. It's cheaper than more expensive badgers. If you want to know the difference, a normal lather with a badger is like a super-lather (cream+soap) with the syntex

The difference is the badger makes is thicker than you could expect to get with a Rs.50 syntex. Foam is the cushion between you and the blade, the thicker it is the better. Now that does not mean you foam up an inch thick, even a thin coat is quite thick. I think if the syntex we get here had 3-4 times more bristles it does then it would work quite well.
I'm ok with a $40 investment in a brush since these things can last a lifetime. My issue is with the use of badgers which I hear is an endangered species. Still thinking about it though.

blr_p said:
I'm interested in trying out tallow based soaps but otherwise have not done much research on this as yet. Noticed a coconut based shaving cream at Health & Glo the other day going for Rs.180, first time i see shaving cream in a tub here, will check it out.
Nice, I'll check it out as well. If you get to it first, let us know your feedback. Also, do you have any idea what brand it was?

blr_p said:
The alum block will tell you immediately how good a shave you got. If it stings like hell then it was not that good. I'd say this is its biggest purpose besides closing up pores.

If you get no sting and still felt you got a close shave then you just found a good combo of technique + foam + blade, in short you got a DFS. (damn fine shave)
As far as closing up pores goes, I would prefer to use an alcohol-free toner since it also clears out any soap gunk stuck in them as well. The only advantage over toner is that it acts as a disinfectant. I just go overboard and use both :P

blr_p said:
I went to the barber the other day and for the fun of it let me shave me as well, usual 2 pass with a gilette saloon for Rs.20, he did it quite quick. It was an ok shave, the alum block told me it was not as good. I can easily do better than this at home ;)

Have never got an infection free shave from a barber. Yes they do a fine job of giving a close shave, but there is no soaking step to soften the beard and most use foam out of a can\machine, which have crap lubricity.

blr_p said:
I've been experimenting with after shave moisturiers as well, so far the cheap stuff seems to go well, Vaseline total moisture, nivea soft, the former smells better and is cheaper. Though i've yet to try Clean & clear. Prolly a must if smearing mineral oil leads to breakouts with you.
My skin is pretty oily so I need light moisturizing. Cant get away with spash aftershave's though since it overdries my skin leading to irritation. Right now I'm using Neutrogena's oil-free moisture w/ SPF15. Seems to be doing a good job.
 
Grease Monk said:
I'm ok with a $40 investment in a brush since these things can last a lifetime. My issue is with the use of badgers which I hear is an endangered species. Still thinking about it though.
There might be certain kinds of badger that are endangered but not all badgers. The high price is more a function of very low demand than anything else i feel. And they would not be using endangered badger because it would make an already expensive, niche product that much more expensive. There are different grades of badger hair, the back, the neck and its belly. The finer the hair the more the water retention, the softer the feel and the quicker it is to make a lather.
Grease Monk said:
Nice, I'll check it out as well. If you get to it first, let us know your feedback. Also, do you have any idea what brand it was?
It's an indian brand called Biotique. Their range is mostly for women with the men's section quite limited, there also have an after shave balm. They even have a gel. Here is the shaving cream. The $ prices quoted there are ridiculous, its Rs.180 MRP for each. A bit higher than the usual tubes you get here that avg in the Rs.50 range.

There are foreign brands but those go for Rs.500 and upwards especially designer stuff, little bit much for my tastes, i want a good product i care less about paying for the name of the guy who attaches his name to it like with the alcoholic after-shaves. It would be cheaper to buy them from abroad than pay the heavy import duties+ even heftier shop margins that get levied on them here.

Abroad the selection is mind-boggling. Everyone seems to have caught onto this aromoatherapy thing so the push is to make things smell as natural as possible. So you pay more for the fragrance than a necessarily better quality product because its a niche targeted product. Think herbal or citrus even flowery. Seems odd that men would want something like this but i've seen several blogs of quite elderly gentlemen, defnitely married with kids also recommending them.
Grease Monk said:
As far as closing up pores goes, I would prefer to use an alcohol-free toner since it also clears out any soap gunk stuck in them as well. The only advantage over toner is that it acts as a disinfectant.
I don't believe that Alum is a disinfectant. Its used to purify water but the way it works is to attract any residue towards it rather than to kill any germs in the water. Thereby making the water more clear.

Same with toning skin, it closes up pores just making it less likely to get an infection. Alum does not kill any germs or at least i've not read anything that supports this.

As to clearing up soap gunk, i would wash several times with water to remove it and not rely on the alum to close up pores with soap inside, thats just asking for trouble.

Grease Monk said:
Have never got an infection free shave from a barber.
You must have very sensitive skin then.

Grease Monk said:
Yes they do a fine job of giving a close shave,
I beg to differ on that, no way a two pass will be as close as a four pass. Plus you know your face better than a barber. If you pay Rs.200 instead of Rs.20, for a shave then i would expect a fine job.

Grease Monk said:
but there is no soaking step to soften the beard
This is true to a certain extent but bear in mind to soften the beard requires soaking for at least three minutes. If you use a hot towel for prep then you get the same effect but they don't do this in the barber shops i go to. Nothing beats having a shower and then shaving.

But this guy put some cream on my chin and then used a brush on my face for a good few minutes to make a lather out of it. He concentrated a lot on the chin area before working it elsewhere. His prep was good but the shave was too quick. That's as good as you can get if you start from scratch.

Grease Monk said:
and most use foam out of a can\machine, which have crap lubricity.
The foam does not provide lubriucity, it only acts as a cushion, its water that does the lubricity. Now if you look at the gels they also have artificial lubricants in them because they are to be used with multi-blade razors and the leading cause for irritation is too many blades passing over the same area.

If you need extra lubrication then you can simulate this same effect with any shaving cream by adding a little bit of water based lubricant. It's known as KY jelly abroad but any pharamacy should have an equivalent here. I want to try this as i can still not get my neck area entirely clear without razor burn.

Grease Monk said:
My skin is pretty oily so I need light moisturizing. Cant get away with spash aftershave's though since it overdries my skin leading to irritation. Right now I'm using Neutrogena's oil-free moisture w/ SPF15. Seems to be doing a good job.
Pretty expensive tho isn't it for the neutrogena. I think the cheapest mositurizer you can get is coconut oil but that will be troublesome with oily skin.
 
Isn't KY used for a completely different purpose :P

@GM
from what I've heard, the bader hair that gets used in shaving brushes is mostly from badgers that are farmed for their hair/pelt in China. It's a pretty gory scene out there.. based on the the videos that the PETA types keep pushing out. I try not to think about it :)
 
stalker said:
Isn't KY used for a completely different purpose :P
It is, and also in any other area where lubrication is required so check the ingredients list next time you look at a can of the latest Gillette shave gel for hydroxyethyl cellulose ;)

Be sure to get the water-based kind instead of silicone-based as the former washes off easier.
 
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