PDP gives away J&K parts to China, Pak in slide show

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SRINAGAR: In an act that might stir a political storm in New Delhi, Jammu & Kashmir's main opposition party, People's Democratic Party (PDP) led by Mehbooba Mufti, has ceded both Aksai Chin and the Karakoram region to China on a map shown in its 'vision on Kashmir' power-point presentation.

Going well beyond it's argument for self-rule in the state, the PDP leadership made a power-point presentation of its vision on Kashmir in which PDP has accepted China's sovereignty over Aksai Chin and the Karakoram region on a map super-imposed on a collage of foreign currency notes. This contradicts the official Indian stand that states all these areas are Indian territory.

Besides, PDP has tacitly acknowledged China's stakes and role in Kashmir in its vision document. The PDP wants Srinagar to be connected to Yarkand in China, and beyond that to the Karakoram highway, constructed by China after Pakistan ceded it some 4,000 sq km of Kashmir in 1963. It's deemed illegal by India. This is the first time a mainstream political party has acknowledged Chinese role or presence in Kashmir.

China's moves in Kashmir have picked up momentum in the past few years. While the stapled Visa issue has been widely reported, the strategic community in India is more alarmed by China's presence in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, where China is building the 7,000 mw Bunji Hydroelectric Project. Also on the anvil is a proposed railway line along the six-lane Karakoram highway. Few doubt the ability of the Chinese to accomplish this after its staggering achievement of a railway line to Lhasa.

The Northern Areas has now been incorporated in Pakistan and renamed Gilgit-Baltistan. In 2010, Pakistan, after 63 years of direct rule, gave the province an elected assembly. One of the first comments of the elected chief minister, Mehndi Shah, was, "Gilgit was never a part of Kashmir."

This Pakistan government move is consistent with the line that the 72,000 sq km that form this province were never a part of the Hari Singh's state of Jammu & Kashmir, citing the 1935 treaty of the Maharaja leasing the territory to British India for 60 years. The fact that Mountbatten terminated this treaty in July 1947 and returned Gilgit to Hari Singh is ignored. As is the fact that Article 6 of the Sino-Pakistan treaty giving the Karakoram region to China clearly states that the treaty will be "renegotiated pending the settlement of the Kashmir Dispute."
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Why cant Indian Govt just once n for all clamp down like China did in Tibet ? :mad:
 
For all practical purposes we have given them away. We have no military presence and Indian law doesnt apply. The Indian Govt. has no control over the region. People of the region dont associate with India anyway. Might as well give people the freedom they want, instead of keeping them suppressed.
 
India is happy patting its owns back by comparing its strength with Pakistan (which was clear that the Nuke tests done by the BJP govt was a total failure)

and when it comes to china the CWC correspondent comes on the National TV & gives a sentimental statement that, KASHMIR WAS & IS A PART OF INDIA, where-as things go on as planned by the Chinese counter parts.

INDIA is no where close to CHINA when it comes to MILITARY strength & even if we go on war, its not only CHINA we have to face but joint forces of People's Liberation Army of China, Republic of China Army & Pakistan Army
 
INDIA is no where close to CHINA when it comes to MILITARY strength & even if we go on war, its not only CHINA we have to face but joint forces of People's Liberation Army of China, Republic of China Army & Pakistan Army
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War is impractical, specially with China and should be avoided at all costs, we may be good at Air Force vis-a-vis China but nevertheless China has the capability to beat 36 kinds of shit out of India, and not only because of military strength but also because of govt. policies and economical prowess. They don't care if they have to loose a city or two and if people die, but countries like USA and India do.

Although India will be backed by either Russia or USA (NATO will tag along) or maybe both (will be interesting to see), but not fully.

Befriending China should be a priority rather than the unreliable USA, first step should be ceding them Aksai Chin officially and they giving up on Arunachal Pradesh.

India should really take BRIC seriously and try not to antagonize the West as well.
 
Mephistopheles said:
War is impractical, specially with China and should be avoided at all costs, we may be good at Air Force vis-a-vis China but nevertheless China has the capability to beat 36 kinds of shit out of India, and not only because of military strength but also because of govt. policies and economical prowess. They don't care if they have to loose a city or two and if people die, but countries like USA and India do.

Although India will be backed by either Russia or USA (NATO will tag along) or maybe both (will be interesting to see), but not fully.

Befriending China should be a priority rather than the unreliable USA, first step should be ceding them Aksai Chin officially and they giving up on Arunachal Pradesh.

India should really take BRIC seriously and try not to antagonize the West as well.
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BRIC is now BRICS, and it has nothing to do relating these situations & CHINA does not even care about this, as far as USA is concerned they have just released a list of 10 most important countries for USA, CHINA tops the list where as INDIA comes at the last (seems just a favor).

as far as USA is concerned they are sharing the space technology with china, but one thing is good for us that the newer 4 x 4 generation fighter jets like MIG 35 are being jointly manufactured in INDIA with the help of the RUSSIANS, who are not only sharing the technology but providing us the infrastructure to do so, which is the only country in the world & no other country shares its technology when it comes to defense.
 
On a side note - We could have a Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 where China and Pakistan join forces (axis of evil) and then India along with a joint task force from Russia and USA beat the shit out of them. The traitor amongst us could be anyone of the many politicians(one of the thieving Gandhis) from Kaangress a la General Shepard who gets owned at the end of the game.

I shall now proceed to copyright my idea and make millions off it!
 
malhotraraul said:
BRIC is now BRICS, and it has nothing to do relating these situations & CHINA does not even care about this, as far as USA is concerned they have just released a list of 10 most important countries for USA, CHINA tops the list where as INDIA comes at the last (seems just a favor).

as far as USA is concerned they are sharing the space technology with china, but one thing is good for us that the newer 4 x 4 generation fighter jets like MIG 35 are being jointly manufactured in INDIA with the help of the RUSSIANS, who are not only sharing the technology but providing us the infrastructure to do so, which is the only country in the world & no other country shares its technology when it comes to defense.
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With BRIC or BRICS, I was talking about where India should have its foreign affairs priorities (on which countries).

Russia is really in the favour of India and China forming an alliance so as to counter-balance the power axis of the west. In lieu of US of A India shouldn't forget about Russia is what I'm trying to say.

sunny27 said:
On a side note - We could have a Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 where China and Pakistan join forces (axis of evil) and then India along with a joint task force from Russia and USA beat the shit out of them. The traitor amongst us could be anyone of the many politicians(one of the thieving Gandhis) from Kaangress a la General Shepard who gets owned at the end of the game.

I shall now proceed to copyright my idea and make millions off it!
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Im waiting for a similar thing to happen, although I'd like to see a more realistic approach.
 
No one help you when snake is inside your house & you are crying & waiting for neighbors help while wolf already know that you merely can't KILL the snake than how face HIM.

Better, attack & kill snake FIERCELY, wolf will never dare to visit you again.

All PM & Prez of India in dream of "Nobel For Peace", don't mind to make India in to PIECEs.
 
I was watching the news , and she said "It adds colour" WHAT A LOAD OF BS , I respect every kashmiri out there, but I dont seem to understand the separatist mentality. No offense. :(
 
NinByChoice said:
For all practical purposes we have given them away. We have no military presence and Indian law doesnt apply. The Indian Govt. has no control over the region. People of the region dont associate with India anyway. Might as well give people the freedom they want, instead of keeping them suppressed.
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Which region is that?

If you mean Aksai Chin, then you are wrong. People of that region have nothing to do with China. Infact, down south and west, all of Tibet would have nothing to do with China but for the forced movement and settlement of the Han Chinese, who themselves have now formed a loose bond with the local people.

China is powerful but its power is pretty much dependent on strict censorship and ability to control and model the opinion of people. (eg. you would be surprised, or maybe not, to know that Chinese TV and media has not covered any developments in Egypt. )

Talking about war is one thing, winning it quite another.

As for beating the "shit" out of India goes, to do that, the scale of war would have to be such that it won't remain a regional war but a world war.
 
As for beating the "shit" out of India goes, to do that, the scale of war would have to be such that it won't remain a regional war but a world war.
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Was talking about their military capability, obviously a war of that magnitude will involve other nations.

A non-democratic government with its fast decision making, not bothering about pressure from other countries, not caring about loosing a city or too and with an extravagant economy and military strength is very dangerous and intimidating specially during war.
 
You fellows really amaze me !!

Mehbooba is an opposition leader, she's not even ruling in Kashmir.

repeat after me...

Since when can an opposition leader 'give' away anything ?
 
They haven't ceded anything, their vision on Kashmir map implies they have accepted Chinese sovereignty over Aksai chin.

AS always, the media might have overhyped it and to attract eyeballs made the headline "PDP gives away J&K parts to China"
 
The whole of Chinese strategy is to ensure high economic growth and instigate nationalistic feeling among the dominant class to perpetuate the rule of the communist government. Any actual military activity which can disrupt global economy will be counterproductive to China itself.

A non-democratic government is even more worried about public opinion than a democratic government.

If there is any situation (as say due to high inflation) of the economy slowing or tanking, the very same people of China who are right now reticent will rise up and overthrow the regime. Why do you think there was a revolution in Tunisia or Egypt? Yes they have had draconian rulers, but the tipping point was the dominant younger class not getting jobs and slow economy. China has an aging population but even then, most of that population is subdued as the economy is growing rapidly and there are jobs and prosperity for common folks.

An atmosphere of the type you envision would not be conducive for high economic growth and pure nationalistic fervor among such radically different classes as are present in China is not sustainable.
 
blr_p said:
You fellows really amaze me !!

Mehbooba is an opposition leader, she's not even ruling in Kashmir.

repeat after me...

Since when can an opposition leader 'give' away anything ?
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OPPOSITION LEADER is supposed to be against the ruling party & NOT AGAINST THE COUNTRY, i still do not understand why is she even kept alive ? ?
 
High economic growth is not their target, its rather a means with which they want global dominance/superpower status.

Nobody wants war, but if instigated they wont hesitate a bit.

chinese inflation is coming in next 5 years
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A few years of lower than usual economic growth for them is on the cards, they might have a real estate crisis in the coming years.
 
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