Karnataka Elections 2018
- Thread starter swatkats
- Start date
There was a BJP minister who wrote a book about how he thinks EVM's cannot be trusted back in 2010. Of course this was the reason they lost back in 2009
Every party alleges some sort of malfunction, rigging, you name it....when they lose. But are quiet when they win
To date nobody has brought any evidence despite the EC holding hackathons but of course there are many theories....
What Hackathons? It is all just hogwash. Nobody has been given access to the devices officially. That open challenge is just a farce. They expect you to prove that the device can be tampered without giving access to show it. Any thing you say as a theory or approach would be invalidated and ignored since it cannot and will not be verified on actual machine. Results obtained on stolen EVM's have been ignored and suppressed though legal action. There is enough work around it long before even BJP game into power.
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-ec-defends-arrest-of-engineer-who-exposed-evm-flaws-1428821
I am willing to bet that any half decent security analyst can poke holes all over it if they were given legitimate access.
My cousin has worked as a contractor for ECIL in assembling these machines right from fabrication of the PCB's and has also gone on election duty as technicians. From what he described, they are not that complicated. Also technicians probably have debug access. I didn't try to get too many details from him, but I understand that technicians may be one of the weak links to compromise if somebody wants to tamper the system.
Also, the very concept that something like this cannot be tampered with is absurd. The only security that anything built in India has is security though obscurity and legality. They say any system is secure by locking out security experts from testing it.
blr_p
Skilled
It seems if one is determined to create a controversy then anything is possible isn't it. AAP decides to hold its own EVM challenge at the same time as this ?!! I wonder why...
http://eci.nic.in/eci_main1/current/PN47_03062017.pdf
So they were allowed to access the EVM, they could choose one out of fourteen but under their supervision
Link to your article is from 2010 and one of the people mentioned GVL Rao wrote the book i linked.
Why do only two parties show up and then pull back ?
EVM's used for municipal corporation elections do not come under the ECI (!)..who knew
Listen from 11:30 onwards, give us the machine and let us take it home, its no longer the EC's machine is it ? it is now rogue. I'm pretty sure if ever such a machine surfaced it would be found out quick and the media would be screaming bloody murder
These machines travel under armed guard. If you capture a machine you can reprogram it but as i said to PM, you got to capture a lot of machines to pull it off...the electronic equivalent of ballot stuffing
Again listen from 11:30 onwards
Plenty to watch but i base my confidence on what the experts on these two shows have said
Last edited:
Party Monger
Skilled
Lmao either you're naive or deliberately pretending. These election campaigns are planned to the local mohalla level, deeper than even a booth. To say that it wont be possible to manage 223 constituencies is stupid, especially while they micromanage lakhs of people and the delivery of xenophobic strategy to grassroots. Add to that the fact that they probably just need to tell their minions at election commission what todo. Rest is just electronic wizardry.Ya now ensure the same happens across 223 constituencies
...
PROFIT
There's a reason why the Election commission never let anyone check the Voting machines and why successive foreign govts have rejected the same Voting machines. But ofcourse, when it comes to you, you wear tinted glasses in BJP's favour. So I doubt you'll see it. I've done some hardcore research on their election machinery. How sophisticated they are, and the amount of technology & micromanagement used even at the lowest level, will astound you.[DOUBLEPOST=1526167284][/DOUBLEPOST]
And armed guard has never been compromised right? A ruling party, that appoints the officials in EC and the police, that in turn appoint the arm guard, can never infuence them, right? These are hand picked non-corrupt people? lmao
Last edited:
blr_p
Skilled
I've posted two videos with experts in this subject that tell me everything is fine. The LSTV show was brilliant for this. You are making up hypothetical scenarios that suggest it might be possible.
Got any Proof! the losing parties would pay for actionable info. Why are they no winning cases so far?
That's two reasons for you to elaborate on, let's see how good the answers will be
Watch the video as indicated to know why the EC won't let anyone touch the machines without their supervision. Tell me why they are wrong ?
Posted their report closing this whole charade because NO PARTIES SHOWED UP to actually do any hacking in front of them
and ?
if you search back in 2009 i took a guy to task when he suggested all you said and the guy had to concede
One lakh fifty armed personnel in this election. Try getting them to keep a secret
I wonder whether its you that is naive and making all this up
Last edited:
N
NotMyRealName
I guess everyone forgot or didn't even know that the last chief election commissioner achal kumar jyoti, was the bjp chief secretary of gujarat under modi as cm. And somewhere around the time the media really started harping about his ties to the bjp, the cec was changed to the next guy.
I repeat, if the referee is your uncle, it's gonna be hard to lose...
I repeat, if the referee is your uncle, it's gonna be hard to lose...
Party Monger
Skilled
You write so much shit without proof and only imaginary logic to support it. One time I do, you come asking for proof?
1) The Election commission is totally controlled by BJP appointees and yes men. Two days before retirement, the previous EC commissioner gave a judgement on AAP MLA disqualification that the High court struck off and called the order "Bad in law". Which basically translates to what are you smoking while passing such orders. To think that such an organisation would go further and make it easy for its master to win, is only logical.That's two reasons for you to elaborate on, let's see how good the answers will be
2) Other countries have refused to use it, or stopped using it simply cause its very easy to hack these machines if you get physical access. There is no way you can say no one can access it. I laugh at your naivety when you say no one has access to them. Its hilarious. It can be as simple as a 2 minute job of swapping boards. That is what AAP and other parties have said.
Other countries have also refused to use it because, the appearance of free and fair elections as important as having free and fair elections. There is a reason why the Courts have asked the EC to use VVPAT - Voter-verified paper audit trail Voting machines. Cause current ones are shady AF. The BJP govt has tried to slow this implimentation as much as possible. Wonder why
Lmao its hilarious. Im sure theives and manipulators will call the EC to be present when they tamper their machines. Its hilarious what you're implying.Watch the video as indicated to know why the EC won't let anyone touch the machines without their supervision. Tell me why they are wrong ?
Posted their report closing this whole charade because NO PARTIES SHOWED UP to actually do any hacking in front of them
and ?
if you search back in 2009 i took a guy to task when he suggested all you said and the guy had to concede
One lakh fifty armed personnel in this election. Try getting them to keep a secret
I wonder whether its you that is naive and making all this up
No parties showed up cause whats the point of any exercise at showing security of the machine when you arent allowed to open it? Will those tampering it play by the rules?
You're naive and stupid. Look beyond your bhakti
blr_p
Skilled
This was already answered in the EC's document, read it!
blr_p
Skilled
You have not referenced anything mentioned by the two experts in the LSTV video. Bth of which have been in the field for a few decades now. You know more than both those two guys ?You write so much shit without proof and only imaginary logic to support it. One time I do, you come asking for proof?
And its not my job to provide proof, it is yours. YOU are the one making the allegations
I don't prove negatives
How does Congress lose in 2014 ? when they were in charge for two terms. Surely If BJP controls the EC then so did Congress. OR what about the NCP and their three terms and then losing. Simple debunking test
logical right
Show me where in the chain anyone can access an EVM. Then tell me how you do that for tens of thousands of EVMs
There is a tight chain of control that you seen unaware of. Watch the LSTV video where they describe the procedure
At all times agents of all parties concerned are present. It's self policing in that way
They are using VVPAT in this election and for future elections. This does not mean earlier ones are invalid. They have introduced an extra set of checks to satisfy the doubters. All good if raises confidenceOther countries have also refused to use it because, the appearance of free and fair elections as important as having free and fair elections. There is a reason why the Courts have asked the EC to use VVPAT - Voter-verified paper audit trail Voting machines. Cause current ones are shady AF. The BJP govt has tried to slow this implimentation as much as possible. Wonder why
3rd revision of EVM's shut down if tampered.Lmao its hilarious. Im sure theives and manipulators will call the EC to be present when they tamper their machines. Its hilarious what you're implying.
No parties showed up cause whats the point of any exercise at showing security of the machine when you arent allowed to open it? Will those tampering it play by the rules?
You're naive and stupid. Look beyond your bhakti
Until someone brings an actionable case EVM's are good. There are parties with far more skin in the fray. Still no winning cases, no annulled elections. The record speaks for itself
This is not about bhakt, this is abut having pride in an indigenous system that scales to 700 million+ and works!
Last edited:
Party Monger
Skilled
You have not referenced anything mentioned by the two experts in the LSTV video. Bth of which have been in the field for a few decades now. You know more than both those two guys ?
And its not my job to provide proof, it is yours. YOU are the one making the allegations
I don't prove negatives
How does Congress lose in 2014 ? when they were in charge for two terms. Surely If BJP controls the EC then so did Congress. OR what about the NCP and their three terms and then losing. Simple debunking test
logical right
Show me where in the chain anyone can access an EVM. Then tell me how you do that for tens of thousands of EVMs
There is a tight chain of control that you seen unaware of. Watch the LSTV video where they describe the procedure
At all times agents of all parties concerned are present. It's self policing in that way
They are using VVPAT in this election and for future elections. This does not mean earlier ones are invalid. They have introduced an extra set of checks to satisfy the doubters. All good if raises confidence
3rd revision of EVM's shut down if tampered.
Until someone brings an actionable case EVM's are good. There are parties with far more skin in the fray. Still no winning cases, no annulled elections. The record speaks for itself
This is not about bhakt, this is abut having pride in an indigenous system that scales to 700 million+ and works!
Tight chain of command, Procedures, Internal systems .. All big words used to crush any doubt. They all mean nothing. Every scam that's ever happened happened with all of these things being present. Please dont fool yourself (arent fooling us) with these big words. We all know the "clean chit" logic. Words mean nothing here cause action and words differ significantly.
I dont care about your experts for the simple reason that I dont trust a word that comes out of anyone in this administration, especially a channel controlled by the Govt
But then again, feel free to revel in your delusions.
Yes it VVPAT means that the older ones were ****ed and they knew if they didnt change its only a matter of time till its all out in the open.
Oh please spare me the bullshit of "3rd revision of EVM's shut down if tampered." I'll believe it when I see it. So many if's and buts in there. Does it shut down when the motherboard itself is replaced? What if it doesnt shutdown? What the Plan B? What do you call tampering in this case? Take your marketing somewhere else.
What indegenous system is that? Lmao its a machine that counts votes. There are hundreds of instances showing it doesnt even do that properly and keeps mysteriously voting for BJP. We have sent mission to mars, be proud of that. Be rational when its machines that our democracy depends on, keep the pride in your panties.
As for proof, check out all the instances where the people press other parties and vote goes to BJP.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. And while you can sing praises of how this one looks, it definitely tastes disgusting.
N
NotMyRealName
Till assange and snowden etc. leaked, everything was unproven too. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. What if assange and snowden never leaked. Would that automatically make (a historical but unproven fact) it not have happened?
Sometimes you just have to open your eyes and add 2+2 to see what's happening. Of course this requires common sense, reason and rationality, all of which bhakts don't have or refuse to use...
Party Monger
Skilled
The secret sauce has a bit of all ingredients
blr_p
Skilled
You are assuming there is a fault. Now where is the whistle blower
I do that a lot of times because the media only goes so far and you have to but connect the dots. Taking leaps of faith on the basis of very little. Hunches. Educated speculation. Unfortunately you will be alone in this endeavour or maybe get some traction with like minded people.
Hey, i love nothing better than to smack at conventional wisdom but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You do realise the implications of what you're getting at. If elections are perceived as 'fixed' then all faith in the system takes a toss. Chaos ensues.
World's largest democracy is a sham. heh what a screaming headline that would make around the world.
Assange and wikileaks i consider the opening shots by the Russians at the US in this new game called information warfare. The political goal is to make you lose faith in the system. Why ? because they can't out compete so weaken the system from inside. And then they can tell their people that this so called 'free' model isn't so great.
Both Russia & China have an interest in weakening the free world and we are part of that world. They are very generous to interested parties within who they see as partners. This strategy has had mixed success and outright failed in Europe. Where the idea was to support far right parties to come to power, heh didn't happen
Think back to 2015, remember the govt tightening up rules pertaining to contributions from abroad for NGO's ? this was portrayed in the media as an attack on civil society. In some ways you could interpret it that way but its also a defense against ALL fronts that act in foreign interest against ours
Last edited:
chetansha
Skilled
And desperation to win shows
https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/996010921112649728?s=19
https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/996010921112649728?s=19
blr_p
Skilled
Until shown otherwise....how long we have to wait for this. These machines have been in operation for decades now. Where are the scandals ? every time some one alleges something they are incapable of going further
Then you have concededI dont care about your experts for the simple reason that I dont trust a word that comes out of anyone in this administration, especially a channel controlled by the Govt
But then again, feel free to revel in your delusions.
kinda odd some one that knows so much and is so motivated to show otherwise cannot take the time to audit what was said. That's what i'd have done, posted time codes showing where they were wrong.
I can afford to ignore the opposition because they don't make policy, you cannot afford to ignore the govt when they explain what they are doing. Nobody can. First understand what they incumbent is doing and then slam it. Mot of the time people are just supporting their team, regardless and the usual finger pointing follows.
VVPAT just got introduced, we've had four decades of trouble free elections
And like i said try doing that for thousands of machines. If you believe that then the moon landings must be fake
Show me these hundreds of instances. There are multiple tests conducted before and after an election with agents of all parties present. If there is any malfunction it will be caught before voting is to take place. See, you would know this if you understood the procedure but you won't do that.
But for some reason it said congress in 2004 & again in 2009. Yeah some die hard BJP supporters definitely smelt a rat there, enough to write a book about it. Best part is those EVM's suddenly said BJP in 2014. How did an opposition party take control of the EC and wipe congress out ?
The proof is in the statements of the leaders. EVERY leader has accepted the results and pretty soon after results are announced. That is fantastic compliance ACROSS THE BOARD. We have many parties, many states. loads of elections. All this country does is go to bloody elections. What more vindication do you want.
All you have done is disagreed, not offered a single point to strengthen your position. I've posted the official story of what went on at the last hackathon and discussion by experienced people in the field which you clearly reject because you cannot rebut anything they said
Give up dude!
Last edited: