So none of us will speak about what happened in kashmir today

[sanjeevram]

Maybe its hightime we handover kashmir today along with our dignity .
Can we as Non-Muslims ever visit kashmir again.
The message seems clear we will kill your Spineless men and come for the ladies later

 

[CasualGamer91]

What happened? im unaware of the news

 

[pa1]

> So none of us will speak about what happened in kashmir today

People will take time to process their anger, feelings and thoughts. It's been a long time since we were forced to feel this way and thankfully the younger generation didn't have to deal with it to this extent so far.

We were a bunch of students who regularly used to and were supposed to go on a fun after class evening trip to Gokul chat, Hyderabad on the day the incident happened but we missed the bus by a few mins and dropped our plan. It took us some time to understand and come to terms with what happened later that evening.

That video & pic of a woman next to her husband. I don't have words to express my feelings.

 

[honest1]

I am filled with anger to what has happened. This is such a cowardly attack which has really shaken me from inside. Do not even have strength to watch the visuals. There will be repercussions to it but with this act, Kashmir again has been damaged, a damage which will take very long time to recover.
My heart goes out to the families who have lost their near ones.

 

[solo_wing]

Few days ago when Pakistan's Asim Munir was giving speech and used the word Kashmir few times saying its our jugular veins and we are going to stand with our Kashmiri brothers....I got a strong feeling something big will happen in Kashmir soon.

I too could not see all the videos coming from this attack. Horrible and just sad.

Poor tourist coming to relax for a day or two to escape city life, work and just to chill in cooler temperatures getting killed for no reason.

What a coward these terrorist and their handlers.


I really hope India does something. I too wish now India start funding Balochistan fighters heavily. I know I would be supporting killing of innocent Pakistanis too but they have left us with hardly any option. A direct confrontation is more honorable but we talking of nukes too here.

Maybe its hightime we handover kashmir today along with our dignity .

You really think Pakistan or China or other foreign powers will stop with their idea of breaking India into 1000 cuts and then probably start claiming broken India for themselves.

The world geopolitics is all about that. Throwing ball at others court.....that is keep your neighbours always in internal trouble or less powerful than you and mostly dependent on you.
Nothing will change even if we give Kashmir to Paksitan. They will start again with this act in Punjab with Khalistan moment....then in North-East instigate Christians .


India is a diverse country ...we will cease to exists if we keep dividing ourselves on basis of religion.

Can we as Non-Muslims ever visit kashmir again.

This part I agree with you. As a non- muslim we may think twice to go there now. sadly.

The message seems clear we will kill your Spineless men and come for the ladies later

this is a cowardly act.
I am sure Indian Army will hunt them down.

I just hope India does something more this time then just hunting them down on our soil.
Maybe a another Surgical strike but It is going to be very tough this time. Pakistanis will be prepared too.

 

[blr_p]

Maybe its hightime we handover kashmir today along with our dignity .

Why? Because the Brits gave it to Pakistan? They were pushing their luck expecting a kashmiri PM to give up his native forever.

We have a 5,000 yr connect with that place.

Can we as Non-Muslims ever visit kashmir again.

Of course it is possible. The number of tourist visits has crossed 23 million since we abrogated 370.

Think of that number and how it became possible in the first place

The message seems clear we will kill your Spineless men and come for the ladies later

The people who did this are depriving the locals of hard revenue. Doesn't take much guts to kill defenseless civvies does it. In fact it's cowardly.

We will find who is responsible and deal with them

 

[ibose]

Maybe its hightime we handover kashmir today along with our dignity .

Rather maybe it is time to do an Israel and wipe their entire f###ing terrorist infrastructure from the face of earth.

 

[blr_p]

Rather maybe it is time to do an Israel and wipe their entire f###ing terrorist infrastructure from the face of earth.

That was Balakote. Bought us six years of peace.

The Paks have since picked up some AWACS from Sweden so the last ruse we used won't work.

Let the pro's figure it out

Few days ago when Pakistan's Asim Munir was giving speech and used the word Kashmir few times saying its our jugular veins and we are going to stand with our Kashmiri brothers....I got a strong feeling something big will happen in Kashmir soon.

Timed for Vance's visit?

 

[solo_wing]

Rather maybe it is time to do an Israel and wipe their entire f###ing terrorist infrastructure from the face of earth.

Israel has USA backing...they gave Israel almos $20 billion in military aid. during Gaza war
On top made sure no other country intervenes.

Beside Pakistan is well armed compared to Gazans. Has China and Islamic countries backing .

India is literally alone and neither our economy can support a big war.

Our best bet is to now come in open support of Balochistan like Pakistanis do with Kashmiris.

Timed for Vance's visit?

I think he came to discuss Bangladesh and Myanmar future plans with India.
Explaining of having USA military base in Indian backyard is helpful for India in long run.

That is my understanding of his visit

 

[blr_p]

I too wish now India start funding Balochistan fighters heavily.

The speculation is the Omanis are already doing it. Given their history with the place and how Jinnah grabbed it from them

A direct confrontation is more honorable but we talking of nukes too here.

Indian nukes can't prevent subconventional ie. terrorist attacks from Pakistan just like Pak nukes can't stop an Indian conventional strike. They seem to think it can but Kargil & Balakote disprove it.

You really think Pakistan or China or other foreign powers will stop with their idea of breaking India into 1000 cuts and then probably start claiming broken India for themselves.

No, but it doesn't stop me supporting the same done to them

The world geopolitics is all about that. Throwing ball at others court.....that is keep your neighbours always in internal trouble or less powerful than you and mostly dependent on you

They have plenty of internal trouble that's why pindi said to keep the casualty numbers low. Also technically intent was not an attack on state personnel.

Nothing will change even if we give Kashmir to Paksitan. They will start again with this act in Punjab with Khalistan moment....then in North-East instigate Christians .

Exactly

India is a diverse country ...we will cease to exists if we keep dividing ourselves on basis of religion.

We don't believe in two state theory, in this country.

I just hope India does something more this time then just hunting them down on our soil.
Maybe a another Surgical strike but It is going to be very tough this time. Pakistanis will be prepared too.

Open question. In any case it will be like the last time. Green light from Trump with the proviso not to start WW3

 

[ibose]

India is literally alone and neither our economy can support a big war.

Our best bet is to now come in open support of Balochistan like Pakistanis do with Kashmiris.

Not much of a choice if you want to solve it once and for all. Maybe precision strikes till they are all wiped out instead of an all out war if nothing else. If they want to go to war then so be it.
I don't think the proxy tit for tat will be of any help. Beyond the border, they do not value life as much as we do.

 

[ramsudharsan75]

That was Balakote. Bought us six years of peace.

The Paks have since picked up some AWACS from Sweden so the last ruse we used won't work.

Let the pro's figure it out

Timed for Vance's visit?

Its the same US that gives 4 millions to Pak for maintainance of F16. They are just showing them see how their funds are put towards good use. Still the US will continue giving funds.

The world doesn't give a damn about what happens in India. If the same thing happened in Israel things would so drastically different.

Israel has USA backing...they gave Israel almos $20 billion in military aid. during Gaza war
On top made sure no other country intervenes.

Beside Pakistan is well armed compared to Gazans. Has China and Islamic countries backing .

India is literally alone and neither our economy can support a big war.

Our best bet is to now come in open support of Balochistan like Pakistanis do with Kashmiris.

I think he came to discuss Bangladesh and Myanmar future plans with India.
Explaining of having USA military base in Indian backyard is helpful for India in long run.

That is my understanding of his visit

Main agenda would have been tariffs on China. India introduced a 12% tariff on steel import from China recently.

US base in India wont be good for us btw. India should become self sufficient. Depending on others will only make us weak - look at South Korea and Japan and even Europe. Its never a good choice.

 

[solo_wing]

Not much of a choice if you want to solve it once and for all. Maybe precision strikes till they are all wiped out instead of an all out war if nothing else. If they want to go to war then so be it.

precision strikes at one terror camp may be possible but to 100s of small big camps is nearly impossible.
Even USA could not do that in Afghanistan. They are mostly located in mountain areas and well protected by nature.

I don't think the proxy tit for tat will be of any help. Beyond the border, they do not value life as much as we do.

It atleast gives Pakistan a taste of its own medicine .

Its the same US that gives 4 millions to Pak for maintainance of F16. They are just showing them see how their funds are put towards good use. Still the US will continue giving funds.

The world doesn't give a damn about what happens in India. If the same thing happened in Israel things would so drastically different.

The US has not been happy with Pakistan lately. Seeing how close Pakistan is getting towards China and relying heavily on their weapons .

They still wont cut off Pakistan completely but Pakistanis cannot rely on complete US support anymore like they did in 60s and 70s.

It is true the world does not give a damn about us. India is mostly alone and will have to fight this war on its own.

US base in India wont be good for us btw. India should become self sufficient. Depending on others will only make us weak - look at South Korea and Japan and even Europe. Its never a good choice.

The US base I am talking about is being planned in Myanmar as the country is in turmoil and possibly will get divided between a new Christian and Rohingya on one side and Buddhist Junta on one side.
sharing its border with Bangladesh and Myanmar border.

This country that will form is where US wishes to have Naval base right in Bay Of Bengal near close proximity to China as well as India .

 

[ibose]

precision strikes at one terror camp may be possible but to 100s of small big camps is nearly impossible.
Even USA could not do that in Afghanistan. They are mostly located in mountain areas and well protected by nature.

If you have the accurate knowledge of the locations howsoever small, you can do precision strikes even using UAVs.
In Af, the combat was in the terrain and mountains, which the natives were more familiar with and used to. Same was the case in Vietnam. If US were to undertake such activities now, I am sure that with all the advancements, the outcomes would be different.

It atleast gives Pakistan a taste of its own medicine .

Doesn't fix the root cause. And if this is the option taken, we would better be resigned to more Pahalgams.

 

[ramsudharsan75]

precision strikes at one terror camp may be possible but to 100s of small big camps is nearly impossible.
Even USA could not do that in Afghanistan. They are mostly located in mountain areas and well protected by nature.



It atleast gives Pakistan a taste of its own medicine .

The US has not been happy with Pakistan lately. Seeing how close Pakistan is getting towards China and relying heavily on their weapons .

They still wont cut off Pakistan completely but Pakistanis cannot rely on complete US support anymore like they did in 60s and 70s.

It is true the world does not give a damn about us. India is mostly alone and will have to fight this war on its own.

The US base I am talking about is being planned in Myanmar as the country is in turmoil and possibly will get divided between a new Christian and Rohingya on one side and Buddhist Junta on one side.
sharing its border with Bangladesh and Myanmar border.

This country that will form is where US wishes to have Naval base right in Bay Of Bengal near close proximity to China as well as India .

Fine then as long as its not in India. Btw the 4 millions were given during Trump administration only. US always gives a helping hand to Pakistan just to keep India in check. They dont want another China-like country challenging them. Hence there are headaches always surrounding India. The current Bangladesh situation is also a result of US intervention. The so called preachers of democracy.

 

[30fps101]

Rather maybe it is time to do an Israel and wipe their entire f###ing terrorist infrastructure from the face of earth.

bro you really think it's that simple when both nations are nuclear armed.

 

[ibose]

bro you really think it's that simple when both nations are nuclear armed.

Bro do you think that a war only means a nuclear war ? You do realize that Israel has Nukes and could have used them but did not. And what is to say Iran doesn't have them. They are just detterents.
While I agree it is not simple, can you tell me what are the options if you want to solve it once and for all so that we don't see this happen ever again ?

 

[iPwnz]

I've said this again and again over the years: Border surveillance is critical. It also happened to Israel, the country famed for its security and military prowess. FYI, one of the main reasons of Manipur violence is also being blamed on border/immigrant issue (right from the politicos to the UG bosses to even civilians on fake Aadhaar). Everything is run by the govt so naturally the onus falls on them but the govt doesn't seem to care about it till it becomes too late. We should've manned the borders properly right from the start. That's why I too want the scrapping of Free Movement Regime (FMR) even though my fellow tribal brethens are against it tooth and nail.

Anyway, I read on the news that the terrorists came via ponies. How the hell did that even happen. And also a video where a man is recording the venue post the event. That definitely didn't do anything to raise one's confidence.

Can we as Non-Muslims ever visit kashmir again.

I hate to think that this is going to spiral into a religious hate thing but of course non-muslims and Hindus included can visit Kashmir. My friends have visited Kashmir for their holidays. Even solo female travellers go there. This incident seems to be out of the blue. If even you guys can fall for propaganda then tbh I have little hope for others. Other than that I'm just going to say that I really hope that none of this is for any political reason. Past events have scarred my beliefs (including the Manipur issue).

 

[solo_wing]

In Af, the combat was in the terrain and mountains, which the natives were more familiar with and used to. Same was the case in Vietnam. If US were to undertake such activities now, I am sure that with all the advancements, the outcomes would be different.

I dont think it would still change much even if USA was to attack Afghanistan today. They would have continued spending billions for little results.

Israel has some of the most advanced weapons already and can even get many of the latest from USA and Gaza is a grain of rice in comparison to Pakistan or Afghanistan yet Israelis continue to struggle to completely deal with them.

Fine then as long as its not in India. Btw the 4 millions were given during Trump administration only. US always gives a helping hand to Pakistan just to keep India in check. They dont want another China-like country challenging them. Hence there are headaches always surrounding India. The current Bangladesh situation is also a result of US intervention. The so called preachers of democracy.

4 million are a part of agreement with Pakistan to upgrade the F-16s .
That is how America is able to check on every country in the world. To keep the neighbours fighting .

 

[ibose]

Anyway, I read on the news that the terrorists came via ponies. How the hell did that even happen.

You mean they crossed the border on ponies ? Source ?