The Trumps & Elon tweets thread (Had to make this since it's never ending)

Are you going to admit China is an enemy and will as the article states 'kneecap' us?
Lol at attempt to guilt-tripping when losing in discussions, mentioned earlier China is enemy but you have to know the enemy and how they work. Also that no country is by side of India in real crisis (unlike how one see Ukraine). Heck, Pak allegedly got arms and support from Turkiye and China right while during terrorism.
Everyone will try to kneecap you when they are not with you, nothing new. Even those who show friendliness will.

Those who care to understand the state of affairs or visited that place know very well how far they have advanced compared to other countries.

We don’t subsidised our deficit with China by surplus from the US like a lot of other countries who are going to get hit by tariffs and see their growth rates stagnate if not drop. But our growth rate will continue since it's been shown their effect on our total exports is negligible.
What do you want to convey actually ?
 
Lol at attempt to guilt-tripping when losing in discussions
I haven't lost anywhere yet because I'm not betting against the house unlike a lot of aspiring Nobel laureates here.

House always wins.
mentioned earlier China is enemy but you have to know the enemy and how they work.
Do you? Because the people I listen to have been telling me how for almost a decade
Also that no country is by side of India in real crisis (unlike how one see Ukraine).
Stop tap dancing and say whether you agree China is the enemy
Heck, Pak allegedly got arms and support from Turkiye and China right while during terrorism.
Pak is short on artillery because they sent to Ukraine. So we can give them a proper hammering now on the LoC. Let's see what help they get from those two countries :hilarious:
Everyone will try to kneecap you when they are not with you, nothing new. Even those who show friendliness will.
Nobody has done that to India since independence. India was always seen as a benign power and India's inevitable rise threatens nobody. Except CCPs pride.

Only China was at it and earlier Pakistan but it became clear earlier on they would be less useful for this purpose.
Those who care to understand the state of affairs or visited that place know very well how far they have advanced compared to other countries.
We can do better than China. And China can't really call themselves advanced if the CCPs biggest fear is it's own citizens.
What do you want to convey actually ?
Exactly what I've said. Can't you understand it

Quite clear if you watched Lei's video
 
I haven't lost anywhere yet because I'm not betting against the house unlike a lot of aspiring Nobel laureates here.

House always wins.
That is only because you don't know what you are actually talking about.
And will easily change the stance when house shifts the goal posts.
See the voting percentage of "What's your perspective on the India's future?" And why that thread exists.
Do you? Because the people I listen to have been telling me how for almost a decade
When you are busy pansy trying to guilt trip others, you won't read what's worth.
Again, See the voting percentage of "What's your perspective on the India's future?" And why that thread exists.
Stop tap dancing and say whether you agree China is the enemy
Are you from some gestapo ? This is utterly shameful attitude in a well mannered forum. Expected better from you.
Can understand your frustration though.
Pak is short on artillery because they sent to Ukraine. So we can give them a proper hammering now on the LoC
I will gleefully wait to see that happening (it's not going to happen soon).
Nobody has done that to India since independence. India was always seen as a benign power and India's inevitable rise threatens nobody. Except CCPs pride.
Only China was at it and earlier Pakistan but it became clear earlier on they would be less useful for this purpose.
Again clueless China hate bandwagon.
Your trade deficit with China is bigger than that of your friend USA ?
If use and throw shitty shein can enter India through some nationalist business group after a temp ban, other companies from China will too will enter and it will benefit India and China too. Just like how India allowed 26% participation in electronic manufacturing business.
Your opinions will not matter. That is the ground reality.
China didn't sanction you nor sent nuclear warship when you were in war with Pak.
USA helped with F16 to funds for Pak even now, last month or so they gave $440mn ?

The only help I see with India is Israel, which is great btw.

We can do better than China. And China can't really call themselves advanced if the CCPs biggest fear is it's own citizens.
As on today, China is progressing sharply ahead. May be they have few disgruntled citizens, just like how India have tons of them in various forms. Even those citizens would not like to forgo the benefits of being in that country, once push comes to shove.

Exactly what I've said. Can't you understand it
Lei video effect may be temporary, world and China will moveover with new changes.
What you can't explain is the fact that your trade deficit with 'enemy' China is much higher than that of biggest claimed friend.
Biggest joke.

S&P 500 companies generate nearly $1.17 trillion in annual revenue from China.
Lol.
 
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That is only because you don't know what you are actually talking about.
Yeah right
And will easily change the stance when house shifts the goal posts.
You can't claim I will do something before it happens.

Changing of goalposts already happened to Mexico & China.

90 days or less countries have to come to an agreement. It's in the works.

Why would goalposts change after that. Explain?
See the voting percentage of "What's your perspective on the India's future?" And why that thread exists.
Our GDP is going up. Individual growth will come with that. That is what I'm interested in.
Are you from some gestapo ? This is utterly shameful attitude in a well mannered forum. Expected better from you.
Can understand your frustration though.
Why are avoiding the question? What are you afraid of.

It's a fact and you will never get the thrust of that article unless you accept it.
Again clueless China hate bandwagon.
Who was responsible for the '62 war?

Are you really this ignorant.
Your opinions will not matter. That is the ground reality.
Sure they do when they're right. You haven't successfully challenged anything I've said.

in fact I caught you out from claiming China put Trump in his place when nothing of the sort happened.

Trump went on yapping as usual but dead silence from the CCP.
China didn't sanction you nor sent nuclear warship when you were in war with Pak.
USA helped with F16 to funds for Pak even now, last month or so they gave $440mn ?
US didn't attack India like China did with no provocation.
The only help I see with India is Israel, which is great btw.
Nuke deal meant all American allies opened up to India. Same allies who sanctioned India immediately after '98. Including Japan. But in 2006 the tune changed. It means the US was no longer blocking us like in the past and we got to hold on to our nukes.

Only the commies opposed the deal and are thankfully irrelevant on the national stage.
As on today, China is progressing sharply ahead.
No they're not. They're stuck in a rut.
May be they have few disgruntled citizens, just like how India have tons of them in various forms. Even those citizens would not like to forgo the benefits of being in that country, once push comes to shove.
Which is going to happen when unemployed numbers rise.

The social contract was no politics in exchange for economic development. There is no promise of future growth in China after China's economy tanked and what Trump's done.
Lei video effect may be temporary, world and China will moveover with new changes.
Oh she will be ready
What you can't explain is the fact that your trade deficit with 'enemy' China is much higher than that of biggest claimed friend.
Biggest joke.
They are an adversary. It's not unknown for adversaries to trade with each other. So you have no point.

You should be asking the reverse question instead. Why isn't China embargoing India? Because they need our market. If China wants to pull itself out of the hole it is in then India is needed.
S&P 500 companies generate nearly $1.17 trillion in annual revenue from China.
Lol.
That's the Wall St crowd. Of course they're going to be whining. What Trump's doing is interfering with their profits. That's all they care for. National interest can get lost.

Same story with the media. Dares not to upset China which makes anything they say suspect.

But it doesn't matter because Trump doesn't care for those who don't support him.
 
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What a stunning reversal over such a short time span. As late as a couple of months ago, it was considered certain that Pierre Poilievre will be the next PM.
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This is why any global right wing alliance, even a weak ideological one, will never work because you can't be nationalistic and seen as colluding with a foreign power at the same time. Even if there is no actual collusion, it makes you look weak which destroys a right wing party's biggest USP. Any people who have been attempting something like this, such as Musk and unfortunately our own ruling party, will learn the hard way that you can't look for friends in foreign right wing governments.

This is also a problem for those who want to rewrite the existing world order, because you need everyone in the west on board with your plan. Otherwise it will just remain a knee jerk reaction to China's rise.
 
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You can't claim I will do something before it happens.
You earlier already admitted you always bet on the house. It's pattern quite easy to recognize, having seen it for enough time.
Sometimes, there is a chance that you lose the bet.
Changing of goalposts already happened to Mexico & China.
It was about you changing goal posts as per ruling system's alignment, not about China or Mexico.
Anyways, China straight told USA to pause tariff before talks. They are realigning their business.
Mexico is just a vassal of USA, things will change once DTrump is out.
See how USA rate Trump now, from Fox's mouth (bad!): https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-first-100-days-president-trumps-second-term
It's a fact and you will never get the thrust of that article unless you accept it.
That article simply says about how China is re-aligning it's business. not about their weakness.
Kneecap side is obviously correct, as a enemy country China is doing what an enemy would.
But underestimating the enemy from within the country makes you worse informant.
Our GDP is going up. Individual growth will come with that. That is what I'm interested in.
It's very good, how it should be. Only problem is individuals find it interesting to leave the country for better pastures after becoming bare-affordably rich. The biggest problem India faces.
Why are avoiding the question? What are you afraid of.
As an Indian one do not to respond to random person on internet about my patriotism.
I find asking to prove it is your mere failure to accept the facts and trying to deflect the questions alleging other as anti-national. Shameful behavior.
It was mentioned earlier, a right person will not underestimate their enemy. You are knowingly or unknowingly underestimating China and that's what the whole comments here are about. To present your enemy as weak when they are quite dangerous, is either symptom of a traitor or a person too naive to talk about all this.
Who was responsible for the '62 war?
Are you really this ignorant.
The enemy together with gullible Indians who misjudged enemy as weak or ignorable.
in fact I caught you out from claiming China put Trump in his place when nothing of the sort happened.
Trump went on yapping as usual but dead silence from the CCP.
Lol. on live video, the CCP team on video told Trump team no discussion about tariff took place and they will only talk once tariff is paused. Either you didn't see it or are acting as if you didn't see it.
US didn't attack India like China did with no provocation.
USA sent nuclear fighter ship, they couldn't attack because Russians put them in the place they deserved.
China attacked because they knew we were weak and gullible. That should not be repeated.
Nuke deal meant all American allies opened up to India.
Israel have been comparatively friendly with India even earlier.
Which is going to happen when unemployed numbers rise.
See what DOGE is doing to USA's employment rate.
Now there are weekly protests almost everywhere.
They are an adversary. It's not unknown for adversaries to trade with each other.
It matters when your trade deficit with enemy is higher than that of your friend.
And why your even trading with your biggest enemy, such powerful country as yours shouldn't be doing it ?
Why isn't China embargoing India? Because they need our market. If China wants to pull itself out of the hole it is in then India is needed.
Why India needs China then ? Even after embargoing, huge trade deficit ?
That's the Wall St crowd. Of course they're going to be whining.
Every single business interest with common sense.
What Trump's doing is interfering with their profits. That's all they care for.
Well, business in America is business.
But it doesn't matter because Trump doesn't care for those who don't support him.
Let's see how the show ends. Probably, like this with tail in the groove:
Trump set to ease tariff impact on US car makers
As late as a couple of months ago, it was considered certain that Pierre Poilievre will be the next PM.
Trump made Carney's turnaround victory possible
 
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You earlier already admitted you always bet on the house. It's pattern quite easy to recognize, having seen it for enough time.
Yeah I support the government in charge.
It was about you changing goal posts as per ruling system's alignment, not about China or Mexico.
So you ARE saying I will do in the future? as I said. Which is a false allegation to begin with. Can't win your arguments it means I'm changing the goalposts. Lol
Anyways, China straight told USA to pause tariff before talks. They are realigning their business.
Mexico is just a vassal of USA, things will change once DTrump is out.
See how USA rate Trump now, from Fox's mouth (bad!): https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-first-100-days-president-trumps-second-term
The effects haven't kicked in yet
That article simply says about how China is re-aligning it's business. not about their weakness.
Kneecap side is obviously correct, as a enemy country China is doing what an enemy would.
So it's about China blocking India as stated if worse isn't possible. The title is correct as is the point of the article which you are the only one disputing.
But underestimating the enemy from within the country makes you worse informant.
See below for more
As an Indian one do not to respond to random person on internet about my patriotism.
I find asking to prove it is your mere failure to accept the facts and trying to deflect the questions alleging other as anti-national. Shameful behavior.
Nah, it's your inability to call a spade a spade. I don't have this problem because I've followed China long enough to know their nature and call it out loud & often.

But I'm surprised at how you dodge this question as if I'm asking to bash something personal of yours.
It was mentioned earlier, a right person will not underestimate their enemy. You are knowingly or unknowingly underestimating China and that's what the whole comments here are about. To present your enemy as weak when they are quite dangerous, is either symptom of a traitor or a person too naive to talk about all this.
I'm quoting China watchers. It's not underestimating. It's pointing out weaknesses that they can deduce as a result of a long time observing the CCPs behaviour. And realise they have to do this because of the CCP's ZERO transparency.

These people have their own platform and not held back by the msm. They can speak freely and explain their reasoning.

eg. and this is just one. Over a hundred senior PLA officers purged. Because clearly these people disagree with the CCP. So they get shunted out for corruption.

The larger point is the CCP isn't sure of the PLAs loyalty. Will they follow orders. Because you have political commissars that can overrule military for political reasons which make no military sense.

The experienced watchers I follow see these lapses and call it out. It's not underestimating. Whereas you and others who know nothing compared sit and argue.

The enemy together with gullible Indians who misjudged enemy as weak or ignorable.
When did Nehru say China was weak?

The lapse was he didn't see an attack as imminent. Thought China wouldn't do such a thing. China before Mao would not. Mao changed everything. An upper class like Nehru couldn't see what a lowly thug Mao was who in '67 started a border clash with their erstwhile iron brother the Soviets.

The west discovered what China was about ten years ago. We learnt about them over fifty years ago. The Tibetans even earlier.

I've given you two more examples where people didn't understand the threat posed by China under the CCP.

The Soviets and the collective west.
Lol. on live video, the CCP team on video told Trump team no discussion about tariff took place and they will only talk once tariff is paused. Either you didn't see it or are acting as if you didn't see it.
Whatever comes out will be on Trump's terms not the CCP because he's the customer. Their commerce minister has already stated this in the simplest layman's terms.

As I already told you. Why is this so hard to see. Every country knows it. Only the CCP pretends it does not and plays these silly games that you fall for. The CCP has its back to the wall. How long for is upto them.
USA sent nuclear fighter ship, they couldn't attack because Russians put them in the place they deserved.
China attacked because they knew we were weak and gullible. That should not be repeated.
Point was China was an unprovoked attack. US intent was to deter. East Pakistan operations had already commenced and they had to do whatever little to support their ally.

Big difference. Yet you continue to make a false equivalence.

From 18 December 1971 to 7 January 1972, the Soviet Navy trailed the American fleet throughout the Indian Ocean.
Note the date. The war ended two days earlier on Dec 16 with Niazi's surrender.

So the Americans got there after meaning too late and achieved nothing.

There is also another flaw in your reasoning which is equating the US view of India from the 70s with the USof today. Are you really this ignorant?

Whereas there is no change in the CCPs position about the border since 62. It endures to the present day when you realise their rhetoric during the '20 standoff wasn't very different to what they said in '62. Trying to imply any future conflict will end with the same result as back then which is total nonsense.

If they could push us around they would have done it long ago. They know today they are no match for us in the mountains. Our actions since Doklam have demonstrated this confidence. In fact I would think of that standoff as us giving China the India test. Every army chief since VK Singh has been given the China test but not Bipin Rawat.

Israel have been comparatively friendly with India even earlier.
You still haven't got it after clearly explaining and that's on you.
See what DOGE is doing to USA's employment rate.
Now there are weekly protests almost everywhere.
what a weird comparison this is.lol

Chinese will be unemployed in ever increasing numbers due to tariffs

And you blame DOGE for doing the same to the US. Completely misunderstanding what DOGE is even doing in the first place.

Trimming the fat. Its laid off government employees protesting. Whereas in China it will be the common man.

How the hell can you equate the two?
It matters when your trade deficit with enemy is higher than that of your friend.
And why your even trading with your biggest enemy, such powerful country as yours shouldn't be doing it ?
So again tell me why China isn't embargoing India? Such obvious leverage and they are too dumb to see this or more likely afraid.

If the plan is to kneecap India then embargo is the way. The reason they haven't done it is because your argument is wrong to begin with.

The US has the same problem. It's much larger and has to do something to fix it.
Why India needs China then ? Even after embargoing, huge trade deficit ?
No there won't be a huge deficit after embargo and I'm amazed you don't see this.

No deficit if there is embargo.

China will have cutoff it's nose to spite it's face. China's intent is to kneecap India but cannot embargo India?

Now do you get it? Reversing the argument like you have doesn't work.
Every single business interest with common sense.
You can have the opposition's opinion on that
Well, business in America is business.
Yes and its blind as I said to another member here who is only interested in business. How fortunate to have a president with eyes wide open for a change.
Let's see how the show ends. Probably, like this with tail in the groove:
Trump set to ease tariff impact on US car makers
Here's the para you missed

The provision is intended to provide relief to businesses for two years as they rework their supply chains, the White House said.

Temporary. OK. Not surrender as you are trying to make it look. So not a u- turn. Favourite word for the opposition.

I would call this tweaking and I've already said this would happen. If it's not working try something else, in this case ease off for a while and then come back with tariffs again.

Can you see how he is whipping corporate America's ass here?

How he is forcing an irreversible change which is decoupling from China. Absolutely means it. Forcing supply chains to reconfigure away from China.

Trump made Carney's turnaround victory possible
Not a good time to be a Canadian on the right


Not a good result though. Carney and Trump are going to be butting heads now.And I can't see our relations improving with Canada's politicians are so dependent on the Khalistani votebank.


Maybe not. The best news here is Jagmeet is out of office and his party reduced in size.

There is no Khalistani with any leverage to push for a hard line towards India :)
 
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Yeah I support the government in charge.
Everybody are to follow the laws of the nation and govt. as a governance entity. You are not special.
The discussion is about how effective are local policies, how policies effect people, international relations, long term affects and expected prediction of those. Not about violating the rule and law of the system for the sake of it. See voting result of other thread: What's your perception of India's future.
So you ARE saying I will do in the future? as I said. Which is a false allegation to begin with. Can't win your arguments it means I'm changing the goalposts. Lol
You are the one blindly claiming this already, why I have "say" or ""predict" this ? You already says this as an unchangeable rule.
There is no rational or logic needed to merely parrot the prevalent norms, everybody can do that.
Positive introspection and analysis helps grow better and predict real world outcome of such systems assessing the drawbacks. If one is blind to prevalent systems or are prejudiced, they will innately be incapable of doing that.
For eg., this is the real world which you are blind to:
Foxconn India revenue rises to over $20 billion, employee count up at around 80,000 (in 2024-2025)
But I'm surprised at how you dodge this question as if I'm asking to bash something personal of yours.
Prove your alliance to the our nation by saying Indian national pledge here. Then I will accept you are a patriot.
Otherwise, you are traitor or Chinese bot propagating enemy's agenda intentionally to public, by propagating disinformation that enemy is incapable and weak. Now I've serious reservations against your innate loyalty to the country.
If you do that I will agree that you are at least as equal a patriot as me. How about that ?
The experienced watchers I follow see these lapses and call it out. It's not underestimating. Whereas you and others who know nothing compared sit and argue.
Well, am not working for China, the enemy of India. Not a China bot like some who follow them so closely, get blinded and say oh with all those power they are weak.
How they very recently took 'sand bank' near Philippines without some people not even commenting against it.
What I see is their real world manufacturing and business influence, their wolf diplomacy, their military reach without fighting wars and defense advancements.
Would like to see our own country do better than that, rather than have to slog and struggle to keep existing boundaries intact all the while making big hollow statements.
Somebody have to say the emperor is without clothes. Will make a huge difference, you know ?
The lapse was he didn't see an attack as imminent. Thought China wouldn't do such a thing.
"gullible Indians who misjudged enemy as weak or ignorable." was part of my comment you purposefully ignored.
My comment in this whole thread is about this gullibility which you are still propagating.
Whatever comes out will be on Trump's terms not the CCP because he's the customer.
Except that Trump's terms changes as per his whims and fancies without any basic principles. International trade and politics does not work like that. Most probably, China will negotiate and show the diplomacy to USA when it's needed.
Still like and preferred Trump's ideas, but his execution methods are not up to the mark. Have mentioned this earlier, seems Vivek Ramaswamy sensed this on time and saved himself from the quagmire.
Point was China was an unprovoked attack.
That is how wars work especially when powerful sense the weakness of other party.
Expects Indian action to Pak will be at unexpected time but precise surpise attack, not sudden unpreparted reaction.
Currently Pak have nothing much to lose, India have lot of value to lose economically and have to face pressure in international relations lacking dependable friends.
US intent was to deter. East Pakistan operations had already commenced and they had to do whatever little to support their ally.
Big difference. Yet you continue to make a false equivalence.
Except that USA's ally then was not India, but Pak.
Russia's ally was India at that time (though it's being doubtful now).
So the Americans got there after meaning too late and achieved nothing.
On 6 and 13 December, the Soviet Navy dispatched two groups of cruisers and destroyers from Vladivostok they trailed US Task Force 74 into the Indian Ocean from 18 December 1971 until 7 January 1972. The Soviets also had a nuclear submarine to help ward off the threat posed by the USS Enterprise task force in the Indian Ocean.

President Nixon spoke with the USSR General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev on a hotline on 10 December, where Nixon reportedly urged Brezhnev to restrain India as he quoted: "in the strongest possible terms to restrain India with which ... you [Brezhnev] have great influence and for whose actions you must share responsibility."
There is also another flaw in your reasoning which is equating the US view of India from the 70s with the USof today. Are you really this ignorant?
After the war:
A 2019 study argues "that Nixon and Kissinger routinely demonstrated psychological biases that led them to overestimate the likelihood of West Pakistani victory" in the war, and that they overestimated "the importance of the crisis to broader U.S. policy. The evidence fails to support Nixon and Kissinger's own framing of the 1971 crisis as a contest between cool-headed realpolitik and idealistic humanitarianism, and instead shows that Kissinger and Nixon's policy decisions harmed their stated goals because of repeated decision-making errors.

So, here we are.

Whereas there is no change in the CCPs position about the border since 62. It endures to the present day when you realise their rhetoric during the '20 standoff wasn't very different to what they said in '62.
I know this better than you. That is the difference.
In fact I would think of that standoff as us giving China the India test.
Also consider this:
Whereas in China it will be the common man.
How the hell can you equate the two?
DOGE is a small symptom. I think employement levels in USA is far low now irrespective of DOGE. After all, people those lost job in DOGE are not diplomats, rather mostly just low end govt. jobs for common man.
So again tell me why China isn't embargoing India?
Who with their sanity will embargo when one get billions of US$ from your enemy ? Strange thinking. Rather kneecap the enemy by making them pay more.
Now with 26% participation in enemy's local manufacturing China getting more money ?

Question you should be asking yourself is why India is incapable of doing all this ourselves or working with USA the best phriend, than depending on enemy China. Then you will think a lot and get lots and lots of answers.
You can have the opposition's opinion on that
Leave alone opposition, Trump's own party members are on slippery slope now.
Yes and its blind as I said to another member here who is only interested in business.
Because our interest is betterment of India, not betterment of USA nor China.
How fortunate to have a president with eyes wide open for a change.
His eyes are open, but his actions are not in tandem with his thoughts. Thats the problem.
The provision is intended to provide relief to businesses for two years as they rework their supply chains, the White House said.
Two years is lot of time for China to rework it's strategy and shows how shallow was his plan execution without enough thought.
Damn sure there will be more tariff changes to come. In the end, let's hope it does not end up like throwing political dust at USA's voter's eyes.
How he is forcing an irreversible change which is decoupling from China. Absolutely means it. Forcing supply chains to reconfigure away from China.
Am only afraid he is helping China spread it's tentancles far and wide.
And I can't see our relations improving with Canada's politicians are so dependent on the Khalistani votebank.
Khalistani supporters failed miserably.
Canadian conservatives indeed have to reinvent themselves for better.
 
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Here is an interesting metric after 100 days


Just amazing and its only going to grow further. Can all those who said you can't manufacture in the US just read what this money is for?

I see the word 'manufacturing' coming up a lot. In fact almost all are for that.

Why is that?

He's whipping the US corporates good. They are starting to fall in line. They care about profits and he's got them by the balls.

As he says they will become America first instead of Beijing first.