India-Pakistan current war like situation discussion (Pahalgham)

This is what I mean by spreading fear with fake media. Doesn't take much to trigger these people

First it was about terror camps now airbases. The very places you expect to be safe and keep you safe isn't it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921063778524815553

Next is Nur khan at just 5km out of Pindi. Pak army town like their HQ is there

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920962130230083746

What's next :nailbiting:

When Modi said finding all those responsible he meant it. I never expected strikes in Pindi

Certainly knocking on all doors now
ibose said:
I think it's time to switch to offence instead of defence and retaliation. The time for waiting for them to do something and then acting has long gone.
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Well, we gave them an off ramp. They refused. They won't get another chance. We're going to be trading blows for a little longer unless they want to go further
ibose said:
Both the military and terrorist infrastructure needs to be dismantled completely given that there is no difference between the two.
That should bring this to a quick end. I don't know about others but a prolonged conflict like this will have negative repercussions for the nation as a whole.
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Think IWT for long term

What you're asking for is a war & an occupation. No chance
 
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ibose said:
I think it's time to switch to offence instead of defence and retaliation. The time for waiting for them to do something and then acting has long gone.
Both the military and terrorist infrastructure needs to be dismantled completely given that there is no difference between the two.
That should bring this to a quick end. I don't know about others but a prolonged conflict like this will have negative repercussions for the nation as a whole.
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Chinese will be happy to fund this war for Pakistanis.
It is a great show for them to test their weapons in real war.

Every other country's weapon the world is buying has been test in real scenario except chinese.

Great opportunity for them.
 
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solo_wing said:
Chinese will be happy to fund this war for Pakistanis.
It is a great show for them to test their weapons in real war.

Every other country's weapon the world is buying has been test in real scenario except chinese.

Great opportunity for them.
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It is not only the Chinese, IMO. The approval of IMF loan shows who are the vultures here. Everyone wants to profit off the war.

Pakistan with that money will buy more weapons, in turn India will have to buy more. Multifold ROI for a mere $1B.

There are many questions also about the sudden increase in Paki offensive. How the situation for war was artificially created, and how well Pakistan appears to be prepared for a failed state, it seems like they have nefarious foreign help.
 
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blr_p said:
What you're asking for is a war & an occupation. No chance
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I am asking to be proactive and not stop the precision strikes. Foot on the ground can be the last resort and only if they do it first.
I get the feeling they are in for the long haul as they really do not have anything left to lose. But are you ?
 
ibose said:
I am asking to be proactive and not stop the precision strikes. Foot on the ground can be the last resort and only if they do it first.
I get the feeling they are in for the long haul as they really do not have anything left to lose. But are you ?
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Hah, yes that's always an open question.

Generally after two weeks people here want things to wind down.

We should keep at it until they ask for a ceasefire. That's how we've dealt with them at the LoC.
ibose said:
And all of that and the future IMF tranches will be used for nothing but military / terrorist funding.
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Or we can make them spend it elsewhere

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920927834559623590

Don't know where he gets the weekly Pak spend figure. But he's been at this long enough to know
 
blr_p said:
Hah, yes that's always an open question.

Generally after two weeks people here want things to wind down.

We should keep at it until they ask for a ceasefire. That's how we've dealt with them at the LoC.

Or we can make them spend it elsewhere

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920927834559623590

Don't know where he gets the weekly Pak spend figure. But he's been at this long enough to know
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To a point I am ready for say a week or 2 weeks while the army strategizes.but it will be very sad if we just play by paks rules and attack defend based on their whims. We should defend startegize but then attack with force taki unki generations Yaad rakhein.

If we want to be mentioned with the world superpowers like us china (in a couple of decades) we need to start acting like one and act like how they did. Apart from x number of disguised loot wars that they are Infamous for one good thing us did was punish Afghanistan for 9/11 that will never be forgotten in their history.

We should do the same.
 
animishticomb said:
To a point I am ready for say a week or 2 weeks while the army strategizes.but it will be very sad if we just play by paks rules and attack defend based on their whims.
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We're not looking to escalate. They are because otherwise they are afraid this will become a new normal for them. They gave to regain deterrence somehow. That's when we can respond with more force.
animishticomb said:
We should defend startegize but then attack with force taki unki generations Yaad rakhein.
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No war
animishticomb said:
If we want to be mentioned with the world superpowers like us china (in a couple of decades) we need to start acting like one and act like how they did. Apart from x number of disguised loot wars that they are Infamous for one good thing us did was punish Afghanistan for 9/11 that will never be forgotten in their history.

We should do the same.
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The US spent twenty years stuck in Afghanistan. No, we're not going to do the same because we've already been down that road in Sri Lanka with the IPK fiasco.

The idea is to break their army. What everyone is forgetting is you cannot defeat the PA militarily. Each time we did so they came back stronger on their society.The way to defeat the PA is politically. Think along those lines instead.

If they have to run from one side to the other it will wear them out. Eastern front, western front. Hammer and anvil. We provide the anvil and the Afghans and Baloch do the hammering. Then we switch roles and become the hammer and the others become the anvil. Back and forth.
 
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roadrash99 said:
No info of this intercept was shared in todays briefing I believe. I doubt they would purposely omit it given its seriousness. So the whole event seems doubtful.
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One thing which I found intriguing while. Watching the briefing was they had saved sirsa images on the laptop where the video was but didn't talk about it

The intern or probably new to computer staff inadvertently shared a lot more while sharing screen for showing the video
blr_p said:
We're not looking to escalate. They are because otherwise they are afraid this will become a new normal for them. They gave to regain deterrence somehow. That's when we can respond with more force.

No war

The US spent twenty years stuck in Afghanistan. No, we're not going to do the same because we've already been down that road in Sri Lanka with the IPK fiasco.

The idea is to break their army. What everyone is forgetting is you cannot defeat the PA militarily. Each time we did so they came back stronger on their society.The way to defeat the PA is politically. Think along those lines instead.

If they have to run from one side to the other it will wear them out. Eastern front, western front. Hammer and anvil. We provide the anvil and the Afghans and Baloch do the hammering. Then we switch roles and become the hammer and the others become the anvil. Back and forth.
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I don't like it that you're probably right. This strategy seems better but doesn't seem to soothe the revenge kida as much. But yeah in terms of long term impact and loss of life I think what you have said seems like a better option.
 
ibose said:
And all of that and the future IMF tranches will be used for nothing but military / terrorist funding.
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They have taken 24 loans from the IMF, to date, all under the promise of economic growth. Here are a few examples of misuse of funds, in the context of not fulfilling the conditions they had presented for availing loans. Source: AI
Here are some major IMF conditions that Pakistan has historically failed or struggled to meet:

1. Tax Reforms

Condition: Broaden the tax base and improve tax collection (especially from the wealthy and elite sectors like real estate, agriculture, and military-run businesses).

Reality: Pakistan continues to have one of the lowest tax-to-GDP ratios in the world. Most burdens fall on the middle and lower class via indirect taxes.


2. Subsidy Reduction

Condition: Cut subsidies on fuel, electricity, and food to reduce the fiscal deficit.

Reality: Subsidies are often reintroduced near elections or due to political pressure, derailing fiscal targets.


3. Privatization of State-Owned Enterprises (SOEs)

Condition: Privatize inefficient SOEs like Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), Pakistan Steel Mills, etc.

Reality: Very little progress; resistance from unions, military interests, and political stakeholders.


4. Currency Management

Condition: Allow market-driven exchange rates to prevent artificial inflation control.

Reality: Currency manipulation and lack of reserves often lead to massive devaluation shocks, undermining stability.


5. Transparency and Fiscal Discipline

Condition: Maintain transparency in budget spending and reduce the budget deficit.

Reality: Military and intelligence budgets are often opaque; spending overshoots targets without accountability.


6. Monetary Tightening

Condition: Raise interest rates and reduce inflation.

Reality: Inflation remains high due to structural inefficiencies and imported inflation.



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Result: These failures often lead to suspended or delayed tranches, renegotiations, or new loans without addressing the core issues—creating a vicious cycle of borrowing without reform.
 
roadrash99 said:
They did share, this was it. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/c...t-rubbishes-pakistan-claim-of-damage-see-pics

Was there something else from Sirsa also that you saw on the screen?
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I don't know if it was this or the missile strike that was supposedly intercepted at Sirsa or maybe just some fact checking folders to verify if it's fake or true info.. But what I saw was there were two rows of photos/videos in Microsoft explorer window roughly 7-9 which were labelled sirsa..
 
ibose said:
I think it's time to switch to offence instead of defence and retaliation. The time for waiting for them to do something and then acting has long gone.
Both the military and terrorist infrastructure needs to be dismantled completely given that there is no difference between the two.
That should bring this to a quick end. I don't know about others but a prolonged conflict like this will have negative repercussions for the nation as a whole.
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Ya, its the pak which is attacking and we are just defending. We should bomb their nuke sites, all airports, ammunition storage houses etc. This will cripple them down heavily.
But we are just we. Just extending the war affecting our economy. Merely destroying their few launchpads isnt going to do anything major because its pka who doesnt have any ethics, values and rules and if we want to take total control we have to play by their rules not our gandhi vadi rules.
animishticomb said:
To a point I am ready for say a week or 2 weeks while the army strategizes.but it will be very sad if we just play by paks rules and attack defend based on their whims. We should defend startegize but then attack with force taki unki generations Yaad rakhein.
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It seems we will do this only after we encounter significant damages and human lives and losses and it will be too late by then. Now pak has started air attacks in full force and tanks as well, it's now a day and night war.
animishticomb said:
If we want to be mentioned with the world superpowers like us china (in a couple of decades) we need to start acting like one and act like how they did. Apart from x number of disguised loot wars that they are Infamous for one good thing us did was punish Afghanistan for 9/11 that will never be forgotten in their history.

We should do the same.
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Pak got nothing to lose and they will go down with a strong fight a fight with no rules. They believe in the real fact that everything is fair in love and war and they are exactly following that.
They just want to damage take revenge no matter how.

Whereas we are fighting with ethics as if we are going to be rewarded.

IMF has clearly shown its back to us.
 
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tr27 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1921153286356283711
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This is no small development..
This actually shows that via back channel Pk / international community must be trying to push for a ceasefire and de-escalation.
I believe before even enagaging in such discussions or entertaining them India has put forward a bottom line.. This is a good and firm stance.

We all know the kind of propaganda and disinformation is being peddled by them (their official channels LOL) about they are winning and destroying this and that... No such crap from our govt (some news channels are behaving idiotically though)..
They have been silently yet loudly hit by Indian army as is evident from videos proofs shared today.. (of course there must have been losses as well) there have been videos shared from public across the border as well about the kind of action Indian army has taken.

I am still keeping an open mind


Lol I guess I was guessing right, a ceaafire it seems has been agreed upon and talks at a neutral venue claimed by Marco Rubio

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Ceasefire announced since 1700 hrs today..
 
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India-Pakistan live: Trump says ceasefire agreed after 'long night of talks mediated by US'
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