Current Affairs Israel attacks Iran.

[yugaaa]

I don't see why we would want to oppose in the first place.

How are we losing if Iran tilts west?

The Gulf is an American ally. We have most of our diaspora there and they won't stop showering Modi with awards every time he visits the region.

What the Americans are doing there since the 70s is what the British Indian army did for 150 years up to WW2. Provide security from the Suez to Singapore. Until these Gulf countries came into being it was Indian currency that circulated there. That era's equivalent of today's dollar.

If Iran tilts west , do you think the west would like status quo ? We will have to deal with 2 hostile neighbours whose missiles would be just 1000 kms away .
The Sunni are American allies because they cannot sell oil and they have to sell in USD . They operate on a captive basis . For Modi he is not bothered about India . His only problem in life is the health and wealth of his cronies . He does not even have time to think of his wife .

 

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The same as far as we are concerned. Pakistan's utility is in the the harm it can cause to India.

More to China. Tell me, with this new found US bonhomie, how willing is China to give Pakistan the JF-20

Because US will not give the Paks any more F16's. That stopped as far back as 2008. Pakistan have since had to rely on 2nd hand from Jordan or elsewhere.

I keep saying, these days any Pak rapprochement with the US is a bigger headache for Beijing than New Delhi. China has many investments there isn't it. Not India.

Iran cannot do to India what Pakistan can.

We can handle the Paks

 

[yugaaa]

More to China. Tell me, with this new found US bonhomie, how willing is China to give Pakistan the JF-20

I keep saying, these days any Pak rapprochement with the US is a bigger headache for Beijing than New Delhi. China has many investments there isn't it. Not India.

We can handle the Paks

You always tend to assume USA and China are opposing each other . It is the reverse . China and the USA while seemingly opposing each other are partners in manufacturing , research . That is why the Russians prefer India and not China .

The Chinese investments in Pakistan is not so significant to what they have invested in African countries which are small . If it vanishes in thin air , it would not matter much .

 

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You always tend to assume USA and China are opposing each other .

Geopolitically. That started with Trump's first term. Biden continued it and I don't see any relenting with Trump's second term. In fact you might say he's tightening the screws further on China.

It is the reverse . China and the USA while seemingly opposing each other are partners in manufacturing , research .

That used to be the case. Trump's tariffs are a clear sign of the US wanting to decouple from China.

That is why the Russians prefer India and not China .

That goes back to the cold war after Kissinger foolishly advised rapprochement with China. Great idea when the cold war was on because it split the soviet military into defending two fronts. Not so great after the cold war ended because it just enabled a future adversary and had it not been for Trump then things would have still continued.

Iran btw is currently doing the same for China. Forcing the US to defend on two fronts.

This was also the period that Mao was challenging the soviets for leadership over the communist world by accusing the soviets of having sold out or weakened their stance since Lenin. Look up the Sino soviet split.

The Chinese investments in Pakistan is not so significant to what they have invested in African countries which are small . If it vanishes in thin air , it would not matter much .

CPEC is the belt & road's flagship project. If it fails the rest will follow.

 

[dpandey]

And Iraq was a success. Iraqi shias (majority) and Kurds are no longer under the boot.

Handing over Iraq to shias gave Iran land access to Israel. Didn't turn out so well. The recent regime change in Syria was done specifically to block that access.

Apparently, someone was explaining the ethnic makeup of Iraq to Bush Jr before the invasions. On being told about the shia and sunni divide, he said "but I thought they were all moslems".

We can handle the Paks

Doesn't anyone remember the 80s?

I would say more power to Israel. Totally ok with whatever they want to do in Iran. I am sure the arabs are on board at this point.

But giving the christian zionists of america a win will embolden them. This is a blood thirsty bunch with a bizarre eschatology (not very different from the ayatollas, but with a lot more power).

 

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Shah's son is calling for an uprising

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935037634792821211

Iran will not fall into civil war or instability

@TEUser2K1

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934975735875453014

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Trump is doing the exact opposite of what he promised from deportation to starting new wars.

So Trump never said anything about Iran on the campaign trail?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935106654896353730

We still don't know what he has in store for Iran but somehow everyone seems to already know. Now if Iran also believes that we might get an early resolution. Meaning an unconditional surrender as Trump demanded.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935042618221560005

Guess there is a Epstien client list after all.

I wouldn't hold my breath that there is anything to harm Trump

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930801003114152120

 

[dpandey]

Shah's son is calling for an uprising

His father had not only supported pak in 1971, he apparently threatened to attack India if we made a move on sindh.

 

[TEUser2K1]

Iran will not fall into civil war or instability

If one take references from results of Obama's jasmine revolution in nearby countries, they will inevitably have to. Considering this is a prince who is going to take over, these regions tend to behave in groups with own tribal hivemind interests, of fundamentalists, influence of religion, neighbors, etc. etc. Iran is ready to implode and the result is only going to be massive human suffering.

So Trump never said anything about Iran on the campaign trail?

Trump always blamed Iran deal by Obama was a weak one and wanted a re-write.
Even otherwise, general saying goes who ever signed a deal with 'murrica can expect to be crushed in ensuing years.

Iran–United States relations during the first Trump administration - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/trump-to-renew-maximum-pressure-campaign-against-iran-f0db5fd5

 

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His father had not only supported pak in 1971, he apparently threatened to attack India if we made a move on sindh.

Different era. You forgot to mention the Arabs too supported Pakistan.

But is that how the Arabs behaved during Balakote and operation sindoor? Not at all.

So what would Iran under new leadership gain by siding with Pakistan?

Keeping in mind we'd be buying lots of oil & gas from them.

Just see the difference in '69 when the Paks sabotaged our invitation to the OIC meet in Morocco and fifty years later. Where India gets invited to the OIC and the Paks stayed out in protest.

Yeah, it's a different era now.