Air India Ahmedabad-London flight Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner crashes near airport in Ahmedabad

DGCA has asked Air India for the training records of the pilots and dispatcher for the plane that crashed last week as part of its investigation.

More here: India regulator asks Air India for training data of pilots, dispatcher of crashed plane

Also, this is from The Aviation Herald's new post:

"On Jun 17th 2025 an official, a former Air India Captain trained by the Captain of the accident flight, stated, that the CVR has been successfully read out, the voices on the CVR are very clear. It is becoming gradually clear from the newly emerging evidence that there was probably zero negligence in the cockpit, the crew did not give up until the very last moment. The probability of a technical cause is high. A preliminary report by India's AAIB can be expected in a few days".
 
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DGCA has asked Air India for the training records of the pilots and dispatcher for the plane that crashed last week as part of its investigation.
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thats standard MO, nothing here to worry about
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"On Jun 17th 2025 an official, a former Air India Captain trained by the Captain of the accident flight, stated, that the CVR has been successfully read out, the voices on the CVR are very clear. It is becoming gradually clear from the newly emerging evidence that there was probably zero negligence in the cockpit, the crew did not give up until the very last moment. The probability of a technical cause is high. A preliminary report by India's AAIB can be expected in a few days".
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if you would listen to other CVR recordings, all seem rosy as heck, its what FDR reveals will be the killer, this is just a fluff piece, obviously I'm hoping its not the pilots fault, but its too soon to form an opinion, and btw, 787 doesnt have traditional CVR/FDR, it has instead whats called a EFAR, which is a combo of both fdr and cvr, 787 has two of them for redundancy,
 
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This is an interesting news piece. https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/2...eing-787-flights-today-despite-safety-checks/

Not directly related, but multiple cancellations by AI of its Dreamliner flights could also be a signal that it had either been ignoring some checks / tolerating certain (probably minor) risks in the past, where controls have suddenly been enforced, or maybe everyone is super-paranoid right now. That said, it should not be a surprise if for-profit corporations get complacent over time and react to tighten their belts in response to crashes. I see that same "corrective" behavior happening in banking systems every once in a while, whenever a large bank/institution fails.
 
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DGCA has asked Air India for the training records of the pilots and dispatcher for the plane that crashed last week as part of its investigation.

More here: India regulator asks Air India for training data of pilots, dispatcher of crashed plane

Also, this is from The Aviation Herald's new post:

"On Jun 17th 2025 an official, a former Air India Captain trained by the Captain of the accident flight, stated, that the CVR has been successfully read out, the voices on the CVR are very clear. It is becoming gradually clear from the newly emerging evidence that there was probably zero negligence in the cockpit, the crew did not give up until the very last moment. The probability of a technical cause is high. A preliminary report by India's AAIB can be expected in a few days".
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It is unlikely that this captain has heard the CVR unless he is part of the AAIB, so seems more like a second hand account.
Neotheone said:
This is an interesting news piece. https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/2...eing-787-flights-today-despite-safety-checks/

Not directly related, but multiple cancellations by AI of its Dreamliner flights could also be a signal that it had either been ignoring some checks / tolerating certain (probably minor) risks in the past, where controls have suddenly been enforced, or maybe everyone is super-paranoid right now. That said, it should not be a surprise if for-profit corporations get complacent over time and react to tighten their belts in response to crashes. I see that same "corrective" behavior happening in banking systems every once in a while, whenever a large bank/institution fails.
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Last minute switching of planes, non-functioning entertainment systems, clogged toilets are par for the course for AI Dreamliners, if you have flown in any of them over the past few years.

It will take years until the government era ones are completely replaced, so it seems the recent incidents are on account of what just happened, not because there is suddenly something wrong with all the Dreamliners.
 
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I'm still wondering about that dude who survived. He says he was pulled out of the wreckage and helped reach ambulance. Video shows he's coming out of the smoke and walking towards the ambulance all by himself.
 
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I'm still wondering about that dude who survived. He says he was pulled out of the wreckage and helped reach ambulance. Video shows he's coming out of the smoke and walking towards the ambulance all by himself.
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His entire walk back away from the burning wreckage is undoubtedly doused in mystery for me as well. The fact that he landed stupendously HARD on the ground floor of the hostel, lost and then quickly gained consciousness, unfastened his seat-belt, saw the air hostesses sitting in front of him dead and then ran out through the large gaping hole that was once the emergency door next to his seat just seconds before the fuselage became a fireball is... Final Destination movie level stuff!!
 
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Ahmedabad Air India Crash: AI 171 crash probe widens: Ahmedabad airport ground staff quizzed, phones seized, sabotage angle not ruled out | Ahmedabad News - Times of India

A multi-agency investigation is underway at Ahmedabad's SVPI Airport following the Air India AI 171 crash, which killed 241. Ground handling agencies
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"All personnel involved in ground handling operations for the ill-fated flight were questioned, and their statements recorded," said a source familiar with the investigation. "Phones of key staff members who cleared the aircraft for take-off were seized for further examination."
 
Interesting watch, mostly how the decline of Boeing came to be. HTF has Boeing's license to manufacture aircraft of any kind not been cancelled yet. Due to their shoddy, cost-cutting practices, so many innocents have lost their lives. Even Sunita Williams was stranded on the ISS for 6 months thanks to them.

 
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His entire walk back away from the burning wreckage is undoubtedly doused in mystery for me as well. The fact that he landed stupendously HARD on the ground floor of the hostel, lost and then quickly gained consciousness, unfastened his seat-belt, saw the air hostesses sitting in front of him dead and then ran out through the large gaping hole that was once the emergency door next to his seat just seconds before the fuselage became a fireball is... Final Destination movie level stuff!!
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The problem with this is you are reading ill translated news. From the DD news clip what he spoke was bit hindi/Gujarati mix . How he escaped. The plane fell , the aircraft body broke down the left side where he was sitting was facing an open area more or less near the ground he just took the leap of faith through the cavity near him and since it broke down there were some gaps developed luckily he was not affected by first fireball .he said that mere saamne airhostess ,aage uncle aunty maine dekha koi nahi bacha ,mai nikal gaya .than what you see him walking out of gate,is secondary tertiary blasts.


The first fireball was due to plane hit etc . But not all fuel was burnt quite alot was spilled . And you need to know that it hit the college canteen the most . There were secondary tertiary and may be few more blasts.since it was college canteen there were gas cylinders. Interview on local gujarati news channel with some of the initial local rescuer did mention that when they reached to rescue they heard two blasts . Post that they still entered and pulled out 6-8 gas cylinders first. So there could have been many more .since the plane covered the area of 3-4 buildings and initial fireball would have triggered multiple small big fires/fireballs. Hence his luck is stupendous that he survived crash/ first fireball / multiple fires and multiple fireballs and eventually also found an exit gate on his own
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India has yet to decide where the black box recorders from last week's fatal crash of an Air India plane will be analysed, the government said on Thursday.

Earlier, Indian newspaper The Economic Times reported that India planned to send the recorders to the U.S. for analysis as the fire that followed the crash had damaged them to an extent it would be impossible to extract data in India.

The government said in a statement that the decision on where the decoding of the recorders would take place would be made after India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) has made a "due assessment" of all technical, safety and security considerations.
AAIB's Director General GVG Yugandhar told Reuters earlier in an emailed response that the Economic Times report was "factually incorrect", but gave no further details.

The government statement did not explicitly rule out the possibility of the flight recorders being sent to the United States.
It asked for people not to speculate on what it called sensitive matters and stressed the crash probe was progressing with all necessary support from local authorities and agencies.

Source: India says it has yet to decide where to analyse crashed plane's recorders
 
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India has yet to decide where the black box recorders from last week's fatal crash of an Air India plane will be analysed, the government said on Thursday.
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Isn't it because the technology to analyze such data exist with manufacturer only ?
Also, they say the blackbox was damaged, doesn't a flight have multiple blackboxes ?

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dunno why people are crying, that's standard MO lol, 99% of the cases for jetliners, it's either France (Airbus) or US (Boeing), Most of the times the Blackbox is too damaged for a country's inhouse lab to retrieve data from, specialised equipment is needed to extract data, it's not like you plug-in a usb cable and just copy data
 
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dunno why people are crying, that's standard MO lol, 99% of the cases for jetliners, it's either France (Airbus) or US (Boeing), Most of the times the Blackbox is too damaged for a country's inhouse lab to retrieve data from, specialised equipment is needed to extract data, it's not like you plug-in a usb cable and just copy data
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If we are going to rely on them to extract data then it means we will be at their mercy for fair investigation.
 
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If we are going to rely on them to extract data then it means we will be at their mercy for fair investigation.
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you haven't ever seen ntsb with their investigation practices right? thee are the same people who leaked their report because the Egyptian government wanted to save their own image.

go read up about that, NTSB folks do not **** around with politics, it's much more likely for Indian government to suppress the report to save Air India's image
 
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dunno why people are crying, that's standard MO lol, 99% of the cases for jetliners, it's either France (Airbus) or US (Boeing), Most of the times the Blackbox is too damaged for a country's inhouse lab to retrieve data from, specialised equipment is needed to extract data, it's not like you plug-in a usb cable and just copy data
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Then why set up a lab in the first place if we do not have all the necessary tools or if we cannot develop the tools ?
 
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Then why set up a lab in the first place if we do not have all the necessary tools or if we cannot develop the tools ?
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because the lab's purpose is not just data extraction lol, there are tons of others things that a lab needs for proper investigation, and probably the lab being new and India not having any experience with Blackbox data extraction/analysis (thankfully we don't), it's just a matter of having experienced professional handle such a high profile crash (keep in mind this is the first hull loss of a dreamliner, and US/Boeing must be scrambling around to figure out whether it was a pilot error or something wrong with the plane before the whole fleet is grounded, which will lead to further loss of trust on Boeing as well as extreme losses for the airline)

And before you ask what about the 9 crores spent (yes I know you will), that's barely over a million dollars, not even chump change at a country's scale, it probably doesn't have the specialised equipment needed to extract data from the severely damaged EFARs
 
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because the lab's purpose is not just data extraction lol, there are tons of others things that a lab needs for proper investigation, and probably the lab being new and India not having any experience with Blackbox data extraction/analysis (thankfully we don't), it's just a matter of having experienced professional handle such a high profile crash (keep in mind this is the first hull loss of a dreamliner, and US/Boeing must be scrambling around to figure out whether it was a pilot error or something wrong with the plane before the whole fleet is grounded, which will lead to further loss of trust on Boeing as well as extreme losses for the airline)

And before you ask what about the 9 crores spent (yes I know you will), that's barely over a million dollars, not even chump change at a country's scale, it probably doesn't have the specialised equipment needed to extract data from the severely damaged EFARs
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True . I would not mind them spending a 100 crores or even more . They had over 18K crores from the sale of Air India . When govt does not want to run businesses , I would at least expect them to be fully equipped with regulatory and compliance system in place .
This lame excuse of it is burnt , drowned etc does not cut .
 
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