You also learned that Xcode 16's best feature, Predictive Code Completion, requires an Apple silicon Mac with at least 16GB of unified memory.The one thing i learned from this thread.
You also learned that Xcode 16's best feature, Predictive Code Completion, requires an Apple silicon Mac with at least 16GB of unified memory.The one thing i learned from this thread.
Though Apple release OS updates for phones for 7 years, their updates for Macs is rather average at best now. This is for last year's Sonoma:where did you get this from?
Historically they have continued security updates for 10 years at a min - although of course nothing prevents you from using it after 10 years either
Personally, I think it would be rare for tech oriented users to keep a laptop for anything beyond 4-5 years and I think my M1 is probably the first laptop for me ever that will cross the 5 year mark and will probably remain in active duty for a few more years after that
In all honesty, its the most paisa vasool laptop i ever got in over 2 decades![]()
Are you being serious right now?Used to. Till m1
You forgot the truly hideous and pathetic M2 MacBook Pro.Used to. Till m1
And it offers nothing that M3 air offers. MBPs that come with non-pro M chips are waste of sand.Are you being serious right now?
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Comparing with cheap windows laptops, what people forget is the whole laptop costs as much as what Apple charges for 8gb to 16gb ram upgrade (around 20k).
Secondly they can be easily upgraded to top ram specs for 3-5k lol
Problem is not that Apple is still selling these 8gb ram machines. Problem is the cost of these machines and plus the cost of upgrading these machines to 16gb. And the fact that it cant be dont post purchase.
The “Oops, we need LLMs in our products” moment.A17 Pro (in iPhone 15 pro max): 35 TOPS, 8GB memory.
You answered your own question there - The reason why the support is shorter for the older models is because of the once in a gen change from x64 -> ARM (like the PPC- > x32 change)That's just 5 years of support. I would rather be happy if Apple leaves it to users whether they can upgrade or not like in Windows world (unless there is a hardware limitation that happens one in a generation). Best example is that my Mac mini 2012 can run Windows 11 but cannot run recent macOS (updates stopped with Catalina in 2019). Back in the 2010s, we used to get 7-8 years of OS updates. It has come down to 5 now. Funny thing is that Sequoia need at least the 2020 MacBook Air (speaking of Air models). Don't be surprised if your MBA reaches EOL next year.
One thing has to be commended though. How long these bloody things last. My 2012 Mac mini and my office's 2018 MBP are still working.
Then why is MacBook Pro 2018 supported? Or the Mac mini 2018? Or the iMac 2019? If it is about ARM transition, these are Intel powered Macs.You answered your own question there - The reason why the support is shorter for the older models is because of the once in a gen change from x64 -> ARM (like the PPC- > x32 change)
More importantly , the security updates are still available for 10 years
Then why is MacBook Pro 2018 supported? Or the Mac mini 2018? Or the iMac 2019? If it is about ARM transition, these are Intel powered Macs.
You make it sound like a bad thing,Then why is MacBook Pro 2018 supported? Or the Mac mini 2018? Or the iMac 2019? If it is about ARM transition, these are Intel powered Macs.
I am just saying that MacOS updates are not as good as they used to be.You make it sound like a bad thing,
Despite the ARM transition , they continue supporting the entirely different code base
Now contrast this with Windows which set the threshold for win 11 in 2021 for a set of models no older than 2-3 years despite having the same architecture. Didn't hear much complaining about that around here though![]()
you also forgot that the base 13'' MBP is nothing more than a glorified Air lol and costs more.You forgot the truly hideous and pathetic M2 MacBook Pro.
And it offers nothing that M3 air offers. MBPs that come with non-pro M chips are waste of sand.
because it is, and thats something they should bear the cost of, this is just one of the migration pains that happens when you go through as big of a shift in the ecosystem that Apple did, god knows they charge more than enough that this kind of support should come by default.You make it sound like a bad thing,
Despite the ARM transition , they continue supporting the entirely different code base
tell that to windows, where win 11 still works on my shitty 40k dell from 2012, also its not just Sonoma or Ventura, you can go further back on Intel chips where Apple happily dropped support after 5-6 years.Now contrast this with Windows which set the threshold for win 11 in 2021 for a set of models no older than 2-3 years despite having the same architecture. Didn't hear much complaining about that around here though
I am sure you will also acknowledge and understand that supporting Sonoma for ARM and x64 together means maintainng two completely different code bases. Also bear in mind that their newer ARM chips were vastly more capable than the pre 2020 Intel units. At some point, you will need to draw a line else your feature-sets will take a beating.
and? its not a mobile phone, there shouldn't be any stoppage of OS updates for as much as possible unless you want to run on decades old hardware, thats just a bad faith argument,Again, don't forget that the older machines from say 2017 running Ventura will continue to get security updates.
Ah, so it must be mine that leans into swap so heavily but granted its my work Mac where I run our dev setupNow you are going into Internet hearsay - And i will get into a personal anecdote here
This theory of swaps killing SSDs on the M series was in heavy circulation circa 2020-21 -
As with all new Apple launch gates, this was termed SSD gate![]()
again, "Security Updates" mean bullshit, Microsoft might "officially" only offer 10 years of updates on Win 10, but keep in mind, untill 2022-23, feature parity was there between 10 & 11 and you can always upgrade windows by manual installationHistorically they have continued security updates for 10 years at a min - although of course nothing prevents you from using it after 10 years either
thats just your opinion, I can be called a "tech guy" by any reasonable metric, and I still have laptops from 2010 running even nowPersonally, I think it would be rare for tech oriented users to keep a laptop for anything beyond 4-5 years and I think my M1 is probably the first laptop for me ever that will cross the 5 year mark and will probably remain in active duty for a few more years after that
Yes it doesnt match performance, but it does basic tasks really well. Like 80% of what you'd do on a mac. It was a rhetorical point.I mean sure 8GB is terrible for current standards and sure, Apple charges excessively for upgrades but lets not imply that a 20k laptop comes anywhere near the baseline MacBook. Even if you upgrade that thing with all the money, it still won’t come anywhere close right now especially for a “laptop”.
The “Oops, we need LLMs in our products” moment.
Yes its not about what it costs them. Its about forcing people who understand tech to upgrade at exhorbitant prices. like 20k for 8gb more ram. Also forcing them to use APPLE website and buy at MRP rather than discounted retailer models. And the price difference for 8gb more ram becomes around 40-50k.They are really giving a challenge to internet explorer in being late huh. Even with their well known good optimisation for their apps and softwares, no way 8 GB of RAM was enough even in 2020. Mind you these chips cost them penny on a dollar to say so yet they charge insane money for separate upgrades. Knowing them newer laptops will definitely see a price hike.
+ the people who buy it will have to praise apple for the favor of selling them 8gb ram through extortion... But man they spent 50k on a 3-4k ram but thank god for a company like apple who willingly allowed them to buy the world's sorry universes best 8gb ram ever made... With unstateable benefits which cannot be comprehended or measured by human technology yet..Yes its not about what it costs them. Its about forcing people who understand tech to upgrade at exhorbitant prices. like 20k for 8gb more ram. Also forcing them to use APPLE website and buy at MRP rather than discounted retailer models. And the price difference for 8gb more ram becomes around 40-50k.
This would also be fine, but then they are forcing a shitty experience on people who dont understand tech and hence losing market share. Which is why while profits are increasing, their sales are decreasing alarmingly. Cause honestly few people have 1L+ budget in India.
Apple's unified memory is slightly more expensive than normal RAM. I heard 1GB RAM costs like 1-1.5$ for the manufacturer so even if we assume apple's unified memory is 3x more expensive it will still be dirt cheap for them.The real ram upgrade cost from 8gb to 16gb in the silicon is probably 10 dollars , but they are asking a lot of money for it. For people who think this is a lot of money and it should only cost 3k to 4k (novice or enthusiast), what choice do these people have? Just because on a mac a 16gb ram upgrade cost 20k, should they switch to an inferior OS like windows where ram/storage upgrades are cheap?