Israel Hezbollah Pager Attack.

Another often misunderstood concept is currency exchange rate which too goes against "common sense".
There are multilevel discussions ongoing, with alternative to SWIFT, digital currency, etc.
 
Israel also supplies weapons to Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan has mainly voted a Abstain for any resolution against Israel in the UN general assembly. So yes selling arms does help.
Azerbaijan is much more useful to Israel than that. It allows them a way to surveil Iran not that it would be too difficult when people are disaffected. But the part most miss is it would be the base or was for an Israeli attack on Iran. No need to cross any countries on the way in.


^this is from 2012
India was offered by Zhou Elai in 1962 to accept China's claim of Aksai Chin in exchange for Arunachal Pradesh.
But short sighted Nehru thought we might take it back and refused the offer.
How do you expect any Indian leader to accept such a deal? Its like breaking into your house and saying you can keep yourcoat but not your wallet.
forget about taking Aksai Chin back we are already in trouble waters in Arunachal.
No, we're not. Yangtze Dec 2022, PLA thought they they would take a ridge we have held since 1986 and what we used to get the upper hand in that standoff. From that ridge we can see their roads which means we can do a Kargil to them from there. And vice versa. So both sides want that ridge but only we retain control of it.

The plan was 350 PLA would overwhelm 50 of our guys stationed there. So at 3AM PLA set out to do just that only to discover 400 of our guys waiting. They got the thrashing of their lives. We chased them back to their barracks with our guys threatening to kill them and it only stops after they fire into the air.

Does this sound like we are in trouble in Arunachal?

If they think they can tie up our forces at the border we too can do the same to them. Anytime there is a Taiwan crisis ;)
China even took Rajiv Gandhi for a ride. he was told to lets continue business and let the border dispute be handled by future generations.
We prevailed over the PLA in '86 the same way as we did in the Kailash mountains in 2020. Rajiv wasn't taken for any ride. He was able to speak with them from a position of strength.

The PLA were made to understand that if they made any advances that India would move its border up to the Yarlung. Whether or not we would do so isn't important. The fact they believed it was enough. This was under General Sundarji who was running exercises near both borders at the time.

So what leverage will we have when country is run by such leaders who would keep loosing every opportunities coming there way.
Wecan defend our borders without needing to be in an alliance is all you need to know.
 
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Dedicated to the Israeli opposition who are not looking good right now :hilarious:

Ehud Barak is a highly decorated vet but has been a politician for over two decades now.

Dedicated to the Biden-Harrris opposition who will hopefully be gone in a fortnight.

How the man managed to stick to his plan despite all this opposition is breathtaking. Everything today could have been accomplished six months ago without all this interference.
 
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Azerbaijan is much more useful to Israel than that. It allows them a way to surveil Iran not that it would be too difficult when people are disaffected. But the part most miss is it would be the base or was for an Israeli attack on Iran. No need to cross any countries on the way in.


^this is from 2012

How do you expect any Indian leader to accept such a deal? Its like breaking into your house and saying you can keep yourcoat but not your wallet.

Ha aur kya ukhad liya bhai hum log ne by not accepting the deal.
They went on to built major trade route right through that towards Arabian sea bypassing Indian Ocean route. CPEC will change the destiny of Pakistan too once its fully operational. China will no longer have to worry about passing through Indian ocean. Major economic security headache gone for them.... that problem is solved too for Chinese.When the were making CPEC ...India only objected on paper for 2 days . did nothing about it. it is a major challenge of disputed territory.

India will never be able to claim it back either now stuck between two nuclear powers.
All it can do is negotiate on Arunachal and try to convince China to accept it by giving up on something else.

Much of the information regarding China is not clear also. It either comes out when its too late or probably never.
When shit fits fan...BJP in power will put blame on Congress and say it happen during Congress time.
Congress will say same thing.

This internal politics makes India look so weak in handling in Chinese crises.

No, we're not. Yangtze Dec 2022, PLA thought they they would take a ridge we have held since 1986 and what we used to get the upper hand in that standoff. From that ridge we can see their roads which means we can do a Kargil to them from there. And vice versa. So both sides want that ridge but only we retain control of it.

The plan was 350 PLA would overwhelm 50 of our guys stationed there. So at 3AM PLA set out to do just that only to discover 400 of our guys waiting. They got the thrashing of their lives. We chased them back to their barracks with our guys threatening to kill them and it only stops after they fire into the air.

Does this sound like we are in trouble in Arunachal?
BY troubled waters I also meant the Bhutan part where they are making Bhutanese give up on Doklam .
Which means very close to chicken neck.

I fear Bhutan will eventually give up for peace of their mind.
 
Ha aur kya ukhad liya bhai hum log ne by not accepting the deal.
Indira also rejected this stupid deal twice with Deng.
They went on to built major trade route right through that towards Arabian sea bypassing Indian Ocean route.
And it was correct of this government to reject any involvement in CPEC.
CPEC will change the destiny of Pakistan too once its fully operational.
In the sense they will become slaves of China? Possible.

CPEC means Colonising Pakistan to enrich China

Flagship belt&roads project is stalled at $20bn since many years as the Chinese realised there was no prospect of a monetary return. On top of that Chinese economy is in the toilet these days and has no money to loan out. The Americans have been quietly laughing at their predicament.
China will no longer have to worry about passing through Indian ocean. Major economic security headache gone for them.... that problem is solved too for Chinese.
Any railroads from china to Pakistan that will transport these goods? None. So they are stuck with trucks on roads subject to landslides that can be blocked for months. This is making more headaches not avoiding. That still people don't realise there is no feasibility to use this route at this late stage is amazing.
When the were making CPEC ...India only objected on paper for 2 days . did nothing about it. it is a major challenge of disputed territory.
Obviously. They expect us to accede to their unprofitable scheme (unless India joins then it becomes profitable) while disregarding our sovereignity. No Indian government will agree.
India will never be able to claim it back either now stuck between two nuclear powers.
All it can do is negotiate on Arunachal and try to convince China to accept it by giving up on something else.
No we don't negotiate anything. If they want to try their luck we'll repay them for '62 and take aksai chin back by force. We might take more too.
This internal politics makes India look so weak in handling in Chinese crises.
You need better sources. This government over the last two terms has done well when it comes to handling China. But it is China that has messed up its handling of India. After Galwan the mistake they made was waking a sleeping giant. We're on our guard now. They can't do a damn thing.

Forgot Doklam? We picked a fight with the PLA near the tri junction. Close to where chicken neck is and some ignorant people think all China has to do is take that and NE India goes for a toss.

Ask yourself where army chief got the confidence for Doklam. You don't think other side sees this. They too are wondering the same thing. Message is quite clear. Please come forward and try :happy:
BY troubled waters I also meant the Bhutan part where they are making Bhutanese give up on Doklam .
I've been hearing this since 2017 but still no Chinese embassy in Thimphu. Why?
Which means very close to chicken neck.
See above
I fear Bhutan will eventually give up for peace of their mind.
Your fear is due to ignorant attention seeking commentators.

Just remember XJP is our man in Beijing. He will run China's economy into the ground and reverse their gains.
 
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Indira also rejected this stupid deal twice with Deng.

And it was correct of this government to reject any involvement in CPEC.

In the sense they will become slaves of China? Possible.

CPEC means Colonising Pakistan to enrich China

Flagship belt&roads project is stalled at $20bn since many years as the Chinese realised there was no prospect of a monetary return. On top of that Chinese economy is in the toilet these days and has no money to loan out. The Americans have been quietly laughing at their predicament.

Any railroads from china to Pakistan that will transport these goods? None. So they are stuck with trucks on roads subject to landslides that can be blocked for months. This is making more headaches not avoiding. That still people don't realise there is no feasibility to use this route at this late stage is amazing.
I have lived enough in Mountainous regions to tell you that though landslides risks are there but still millions keep travelling and thousands of trucks continue brining goods towards those regions.
with just one tunnel like Atal tunnel India has managed to cut through 116km to 24km cutting time from 5hrs to 30mins.
This is just an example.
India has also cut time between Chandigarh and Mandi through other tunnels .
So even with these risk there are ways. It takes time but most issues are overcome.

Obviously. They expect us to accede to their unprofitable scheme (unless India joins then it becomes profitable) while disregarding our sovereignity. No Indian government will agree.
When did I say India has to join them in this project?
India has been saying its disputed area and then when chinese were building infrastructure at such large scale they only objected it on paper. You have to be little more assertive than just " We are concern " , " it goes against our territorial integrity" all this while chinese and Pakistanis did not even care to reply making Indian govt. look like fools in whole at world stage.

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No we don't negotiate anything. If they want to try their luck we'll repay them for '62 and take aksai chin back by force. We might take more too.
Yes yes....we taking back everything..

Yeh Khayali Pulao 60 years se kha reha hai hum Indians.
You need better sources. This government over the last two terms has done well when it comes to handling China. But it is China that has messed up its handling of India. After Galwan the mistake they made was waking a sleeping giant. We're on our guard now. They can't do a damn thing.
even after 1962 ...we were still sleeping that means.
Forgot Doklam? We picked a fight with the PLA near the tri junction. Close to where chicken neck is and some ignorant people think all China has to do is take that and NE India goes for a toss.

Ask yourself where army chief got the confidence for Doklam. You don't think other side sees this. They too are wondering the same thing. Message is quite clear. Please come forward and try :happy:

I've been hearing this since 2017 but still no Chinese embassy in Thimphu. Why?

See above

Your fear is due to ignorant attention seeking commentators.

Just remember XJP is our man in Beijing. He will run China's economy into the ground and reverse their gains.
My fear is not influenced by just youtubers. It is years of development and china's growing military strength and more important. Pakistan and China working together so closely as major ally.
It is very alarming.
If in just 6 days Pakistan was made ready with nuke. during serious war with any of them. They can support each other in many ways . On top Bangladesh is another cancer growing.
 
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Gwadar port is a failed project. Pakistan stole land from the Balochs and now the balochis are bombing vehicles with chinese or other foreign national engineers going to that port.
China already put close to 50 billion in it and has nothing to show for it. Not even one ship comes to that port now.

 
Gwadar port is a failed project. Pakistan stole land from the Balochs and now the balochis are bombing vehicles with chinese or other foreign national engineers going to that port.
China already put close to 50 billion in it and has nothing to show for it. Not even one ship comes to that port now.

You think china will put so much money without not taking these issues into account.

Yes right now this project looks big fail but it was a long term project anyways.
 
I have lived enough in Mountainous regions to tell you that though landslides risks are there but still millions keep travelling and thousands of trucks continue brining goods towards those regions.
with just one tunnel like Atal tunnel India has managed to cut through 116km to 24km cutting time from 5hrs to 30mins.
This is just an example.
India has also cut time between Chandigarh and Mandi through other tunnels .
So even with these risk there are ways. It takes time but most issues are overcome.
Why go through the hassle of Pakistan when you can get hydrocarbons from Russia & central asia already. And we are talking huge supplies that come through pipelines and not much more expensive land routes.
When did I say India has to join them in this project?
aur kya ukhad liya bhai hum log ne by not accepting the deal

^what are you implying?

India has been saying its disputed area and then when chinese were building infrastructure at such large scale they only objected it on paper. You have to be little more assertive than just " We are concern " , " it goes against our territorial integrity" all this while chinese and Pakistanis did not even care to reply making Indian govt. look like fools in whole at world stage.
Well according to them Arunachal is disputed territory which we continue to build without caring what they think. All they do is protest too.

Just so you understand Rajiv declared Arunachal a state in the middle of the '86 standoff. Prior to that it was called NEFA. Good enough middle finger?
Yes yes....we taking back everything..

Yeh Khayali Pulao 60 years se kha reha hai hum Indians.
You seem to have trouble believing this. I don't :)

If they wanted they could have tried but have not dared to. In fact in '62 their LOCs collapsed once they entered Arunachal and they they couldn't supply their front lines. That's why they pulled back because with time we would have thrown them out.

The joke about' 62 is how come winning party lost more territory (Arunachal) than losing party (Aksai Chin) :D
even after 1962 ...we were still sleeping that means.
No it doesn't. You cannot have a victory like '71 if you didn't learn.

By sleeping I mean all those border agreements signed since Rajiv's trip to Beijing. Remember those? Over twenty years of work thrown out by the Chinese in Apr 2020. So now we use strength and if necessary force since that is the only language they understand. And they know we mean it.
My fear is not influenced by just youtubers. It is years of development and china's growing military strength and more important.
If back in the 80s we could send these fellows back why are you worried about it thirty years later?

Haven't we also developed in this time.

Why are you wasting your time with commentators that spread fear. They have an agenda. Why do want to be a pawn.

Warfare is conducted on terrain which imposes constraints. Mountains impose further limits on tech that can be used. There is also space. You can't send ten divisions through mountains like you can on plains. Mountains eat men. If you expect to win you need anywhere from 7 to 10 times more than the other side. But as a defender you can cause major obstacles with only few. Two men well placed in the mountains can hold back a company from advancing. These guys like to travel in their trucks. Our guys get by on foot and can survive without oxygen. What taliban did to Americans is childsplay compared to what are guys can do to this only children PLA.
Pakistan and China working together so closely as major ally.
When have these two ever worked as allies. China does not believe in allies and has none. China didn't lift a finger to help with them in '65 or Kargil. How about their other ally Cambodia when Vietnam invaded and kicked out Pol Pot. No help from China for their Cambodian ally? China then attacked Vietnam and got a good thrashing in' 79.

People go on about Israel but how many know the Viets fought and won against the French, then the Americans and finally China? Vietnam is not some wasteland today but doing quite well.

What's in it for Pakistan to help China? When they know the price of losing every war they started with us. There is no evidence these two are even training to do joint activities.
It is very alarming.
I'm not alarmed.
If in just 6 days Pakistan was made ready with nuke. during serious war with any of them. They can support each other in many ways .
And there is such a thing as deterrence which you pretend does not exist in the case of India. Right?
On top Bangladesh is another cancer growing.
We will deal with that if it happens. But i keep hearing American coup. So that means they already got a sugar daddy :)
 
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We will deal with that if it happens. But i keep hearing American coup. So that means they already got a sugar daddy :)
if American able to seat in this region, as signaled by Ex. Bangladesh PM, in few years this region too will turn in situation what all word witnessing in Middle-East and this is the main fear of China, Russia & India.
 
why this hurriedly announce by Indian Counter part? let China first announced via their Spoke person first, as they started the issue first.
What if tomorrow or after few days, they will start propaganda that it's India who announce and agree China didn't agreed.
 
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aur kya ukhad liya bhai hum log ne by not accepting the deal

^what are you implying?
I meant making a deal with Zhou Elai on resolving permanent border dispute and not on accepting deal with China on CPEC. You are confusing it with one deal to another.


India keeps on insisting China to solve border issue now. Ofcourse India does not accept that China will accept all India's claim and resolve the issue. Neither China accepts that there wont be any compromise. If we had solved our border issue with China during those days we could have focussed on other things. Now we are stuck with 2 major border disputes with one very advanced country and one salvage people ...who will wear bomb jackets and blow themselves up in name of religion very happily.

why this hurriedly announce by Indian Counter part? let China first announced via their Spoke person first, as they started the issue first.
What if tomorrow or after few days, they will start propaganda that it's India who announce and agree China didn't agreed.
During Atal ji's time when India officially accept Tibet as part of China in exchange of China accepting Sikkim as part of India.
We Indians officially announced it. China only quietly remove Sikkim from their map . They said nothing.

China is very hard to handle diplomatically also as they give you that silent treatment and keep making you guess.
Because India want peace with more powerful country China?
true.
India can stand up to china but it is still not ready to face China full fledge war.
 
I meant making a deal with Zhou Elai on resolving permanent border dispute
I've already pointed out to you that their claims are bogus. So why do you want to make a deal on that basis?

No Indian government has agreed since but curious you only blame Nehru. You are at odds with every Indian government since independence on this point? Why

I learnt something interesting from the Israeli conflict that applies in our case.

Aksai chin & Arunachal are legally Indian to start with.
India keeps on insisting China to solve border issue now. Ofcourse India does not accept that China will accept all India's claim and resolve the issue. Neither China accepts that there wont be any compromise. If we had solved our border issue with China during those days we could have focussed on other things.
Some things are more important than other things. We won't give them tribute nor will we cower that is what they want.
Now we are stuck with 2 major border disputes with one very advanced country and one salvage people ...who will wear bomb jackets and blow themselves up in name of religion very happily.
Who we have successfully managed since independence. You seem to think the situation isn't tenable. It's been holding since independence. If it continues for another century I will be perfectly fine with it.

China is not an advanced country. They are a developing country hijacked by a bunch of mafia thugs that don't care for their people. From that pov I would say India is more advanced than them. We are a successful democracy. CCP are afraid of their people which is opportunity we can exoploit.

The Chinese people are the achilles heel of the CCP and i look foward to exploiting that fault line to instigate unrest in that country.
 
Would you like to check out Ali Babas cave? Its full of gold and cash worth hundreds of millions of $ :woot:

This is the new IDF plan to hit hezbollahs finances by publicising the location of their kitty.

So if any hezbollah members and other hard up but enterprising individuals looking for free loan would like to make a withdrawal they should come over :D
 
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Offer UN Seat with Veto Power to China chanting Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai
Unlike misinformation we hear in 2024 due to political mud-slinging, this was not actually the case.
China was poised to get it even if India disagree, Indian politicians at that time took a pragmatic stance. There are well known political discourses at that time, people now don't care much about. Because they are not ready to properly read and understand history.

Mere hollow minded warm bodies in 21st century sitting in high designations, blaming everything on leaders of yore and not doing even a percentage of what those leaders of time achieved, is just a slimy method to deflect own failures and responsibilities.
Only those who are naive enough to gulp down shitty propaganda whole hook and sinker will believe it.
 
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