Hope they come back. For us consumers, more competitors in the market is always a good thing.
Their is no competition anywhere , finally its going to be or already there - DUOPOLY everywhere . For this AMD and Intel , it was again DUOPOLY then ARM became more dominant so all this news is in . Finally the CABAL has holding-in both DUOPOLY companies .
Its their in every product or commodity , we just need to open our eyes to it . I am not being a conspiracy freak but check out every product one is using
Its not pointed to you but answer in the thread
DrkLord
Galvanizer
Nokia introduced Linux based phones which were hit among enthusiasts.
MSFT used below the belt tactics to acquire Nokia, even then couldn't succeed in Nokia's game.
Remember reading that the amount msft spent just for marketing Windows phone, was the total budget for making Nokia's Linux phone. Their Linux phone was sought after product by enthusiast even years later, also introduced new s/w ideas.
alap4m
Forerunner
If true, Qualcomm could be looking to get a head start in the Desktop CPU Market.
Microsoft + Qualcomm is currently resulting in VERY expensive, yet underpowered Laptops.
With Intel's desktop-grade CPUs, Qualcomm could truly surge ahead in the intensive computing game.
Intel isn't giving up though. The company has the backing of the current US Administration. The CHIPS Act was created primarily to protect Intel.
Intel has received $3 Billion and could gain another $11 billion as loans to stay afloat, finally innovate and get ahead.
For too long, Intel has just coasted on its past achievements, made minor changes to CPUs and called it next generation. It is time the company pulls up its socks and gets to work.
Microsoft + Qualcomm is currently resulting in VERY expensive, yet underpowered Laptops.
With Intel's desktop-grade CPUs, Qualcomm could truly surge ahead in the intensive computing game.
Intel isn't giving up though. The company has the backing of the current US Administration. The CHIPS Act was created primarily to protect Intel.
Intel has received $3 Billion and could gain another $11 billion as loans to stay afloat, finally innovate and get ahead.
For too long, Intel has just coasted on its past achievements, made minor changes to CPUs and called it next generation. It is time the company pulls up its socks and gets to work.
Pyception
Explorer
This is what happend when Enggr hand's are tied or ball down by MBAs. Incompetent people (all backing each other) with barely any capable engineers. I think this is same reason NVIDIA or AMD might not be interested in Intel.
DrkLord
Galvanizer
Quite unfortunate seeing how even now linux phones can't be used easily as daily drivers
The one that started when modern man emerged via evolution & some of them have evolved a special gene called X gene & decided to stay in the shadows & guide the path of humanity. Some of those special humans got bored & decided to start religions as time pass which are now all the major religions in the world. Some of them were a bit narcissistic so they influenced ppl to create media franchise like Marvel mutants in their own image. Even this post is an indirect influence by them.
P.S. In case someone missed it, it is all a joke.
@vishalrao
Award winning Nokia N9 considered as the finest device from Nokia, introduced Linux based MeeGo OS which became base of other systems like KaiOS (of Jiophone), Sailfish OS of Jolla, etc.
There were talks that Nokia's Linux move jittered msft so much that they had to use Stephen Elop trick to subdue competition.
Award winning Nokia N9 considered as the finest device from Nokia, introduced Linux based MeeGo OS which became base of other systems like KaiOS (of Jiophone), Sailfish OS of Jolla, etc.
There were talks that Nokia's Linux move jittered msft so much that they had to use Stephen Elop trick to subdue competition.
eh, dunno why peeps are giving so much weight to this rumor, Intel isnt going anywhere, if AMD could survive the shitshow a decade ago, then Intel can easily weather it. This is just baseless rumors
For as much shit SD is getting with their Elite X launch, Apple's M1 launch was much much worse, but those victims of Stockholm syndrome that are lovingly called Apple fanboys propped the sale numbers, it wasnt until a good 6-8 months down the line that things stabilized a bit and you could daily drive a Mac (do keep in mind, this is from a dev's perspective)
I wont consider Apple's case a standard case study, Apple succeeded because they had money, and more importantly werent saddled with having to support decades old hardware/software, the main reasony behind slow adoption of RISC-V/ARM is the backwards compatibility.
For as much shit SD is getting with their Elite X launch, Apple's M1 launch was much much worse, but those victims of Stockholm syndrome that are lovingly called Apple fanboys propped the sale numbers, it wasnt until a good 6-8 months down the line that things stabilized a bit and you could daily drive a Mac (do keep in mind, this is from a dev's perspective)
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nullpc
Forerunner
I vehemently disagree. I was under dread around this time that I'd have to pore over my nights to port over our older Electron desktop app. As soon as we got the first M1 Air in the office, we tried the existing x86 app and it worked without a hitch. Didn't even have to manually turn on Rosetta. Sure, things weren't perfect by all means and no one was expecting it to. SD is getting shit because Apple set the bar too high with this transition.
To remind you, everyone feared this would take more than the multi-year transition Apple said it'd take. And yet, you yourself believe it stabilized in 6-8 months which is phenomenal by all counts. And I'll add to that by saying it didn't even take that long—most folks managed to get by just fine from day 1. We had devs and non-devs using these without much fuss, at least as far as most full-stack dev is concerned.
Except they are not, unless there's some report that dismisses said rumors officially. And times are a bit different given the AI boom. It's ripe for companies to come in and disrupt the ancient guards and also force businesses to adapt. If at least all this AI shit wasn't happening, I'd prolly side with you. I think Intel has every right to be worried about their current situation. I don't think it's comparable.
then you had a wildly different experience than what we had, good for you.
exactly my point! Apple could get away with it because they can depreciate older models/OS without facing much flack if any at all, look at Win 11 enforcing TPM 2.0 and how it was received? the whole point is windows and in turn Microsoft can't enforce such a radical paradigm shift like Apple, heck there are some servers running windows XP even now. As for Full Stack dev on a M1, cant really comment on that, my previous org only shifted to M1 macs after a year or so, but I know for sure, DS/ML was broken on M1s for months, folks who used M1s right from the beginning can comment on it more,
thats the thing, the AI thing? thats literally just hype. I think there was a recent article published that said almost 80% of AI companies are losing money at a fast pace, and thats true for titans like OpenAI, yes, we have found a lot of novel ways to utilize AI, but none thats cost effective, you need massive amounts of hardware to run any model at scale, and that in turn ****ing expensive to maintain and I'm not even talking about how much resources they consume or their carbon footprint (yes, these days its a metric that companies need to be aware of). And intel has been doing decent with their core ultra NPUs for laptops.
And if you were around AMD's ****ups in the last decade, you like most of us would be really leary to touch AMD even with a ten-foot pole, its only recently with their Ryzen series and from 50xx GPUs that they have redeemed their rep. if AMD could recover from that shitshow a decade ago and even thrive? so can Intel, and pretty easily too.
nullpc
Forerunner
Curious what things you folks were working on that had trouble working under Rosetta. DS/ML, like you mentioned?
Except, this had nothing to do with OS deprecation. It was an architecture shift and that was no simple feat. I know Apple gets the advantage and devs usually get pressured to adapt but this wasn't a scenario Apple could half-ass and expect devs to move all their stuff overnight. We'd still be living in a nightmare if that were the case. They did a tremendous job with Rosetta even before devs started porting anything.
While I agree there's definitely a large element of bullshit going around, I don't think it's wise to completely dismiss it. Sure, everyone's trying to minimize costs and get it to work on lower-end hardware but because of this, there's a lot of investment the likes of which we haven't seen in a long time to make better hardware and SDK. I think it's unwise to dismiss this whole situation as merely hype. 4+ years back, most of us weren't expecting conversational models would get to the levels we'd see them today. And that Google would be panicking about losing its search revenue.
Like I said, times are different. AMD also had a decent GPU business on the side helping it. Intel never really pushed hard into anything else until recently when pants caught fire. There might certainly be ways Intel could recover, prolly if Foundry biz takes off and gets all the necessary backing from US gov but it has ****ed things up at a bad time.
there is nothing inside Intel except circlejerk of bureaucracy.
why ndivia increase their liability when they clearly see they are the only company in the race.
AMD has lost it long back, now even the fanboys are moving away... they had approx 40% market share just 5-6yrs back, now not even 10%.
Their internal projection says they will achieve 12-17% market share by 2027, as Lisa Su paving the road of domination for Jensen Huang.
Dont buy cards, buy NVIDA Stocks.. and thank me later. when your 1.5l of 2024 turns 2.6cr in 2034.
Unfortunate that AMD couldn't latch on the perfect opportunity handed over to them. Their focus is on server CPUs, consoles, etc. ?
btw, AMD launched new AI Chip Instinct MI325X directed against Nvidia’s data center GPUs, production by end of year.
Apple rumor says it's considering buying Intel as chipmaker continues to struggle
Samsung is also in the mix
Trump plans to dismantle Biden AI safeguards after victory
Trump plans to repeal Biden’s 2023 order and levy tariffs on GPU imports.
arstechnica.com
AMD records its highest server market share in decades — Intel fights back in client PCs
Another strong quarter for AMD.
So, things are moving in this space...
startekselva
Contributor
