4th Stage Cancer - Treated with Diet

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Ayurveda needs to be proven, regulated, standardised and controlled to improve quality, accessibility and affordability of healthcare for the people.
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.. but will it possible when capable knowledgeable people at forum criticized it one sided, instead finding what & how it works along with modern medicine and let present it hear and it may give hope to those who keep losing hope for their life by every passing day ....
 
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Funny because when science does mistakes, they will call for better science, nobody blames 'science'.
I think Emperor is asking for more leniency towards Ayurveda giving it more modern treatment, rather than calling out 'tradition and ancient' as a negative property which is ridiculous. His whole position might be that Ayurveda too can be studied far better using scientific methods which is already being done in a big manner in west, but ridiculed locally due to presence of huge number of quacks and irrational usage.
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I think, Ayurveda too can become the part of sciences if it opens itself up to scientific inquiry.

A lot of people don’t want to trust it yet because very little funding is being given for research in general, even lower for Ayurveda.

Science is not about leniency. It is about standing up to the contemporary strict standards. If the standards change, the erstwhile accepted positions stand repudiated. For example, once Joseph Lister found out the importance of anti-septic in surgery, the erstwhile surgical methods gave way to present high sanitisation in hospitals.

Similarly, Ayurveda should be more flexible and explorative to not only stand on the standards at first but also to set new standards going forward.

Right now Ayurveda isn’t anywhere close to opening itself up to the strict scrutiny. And people’s skepticism is warranted at this juncture. Strict regulation is a necessity to begin the process of scientific enquiry.
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.. but will it possible when capable knowledgeable people at forum criticized it one sided, instead finding what & how it works along with modern medicine and let present it hear and it may give hope to those who keep losing hope for their life by every passing day ....
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I think, the burden is on Ayurveda for that. No doubt hope is half the battle for recovery but it can’t be done without any actual proven medicine.

Imagine, if Ayurveda proves itself, won’t it provide more hope along with efficacious treatment?

I think most people here have been constructively critical of Ayurveda. Such criticisms from scientific and medical community are supposed to enthuse more research in proving efficacy of Ayurveda.
 
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What Sidhu did is so bad at so many levels. There were two deaths in my mother's side family due to cancer and my mother recovered from breast cancer (been 6 years) and it was stage 2a. That article is absolute clickbait. What Sidhuji said was absolutely wrong. He should have spread the knowledge on how they combined modern medicine and Ayurveda treatments to survive stage 4 cancer. But him being Sidhu, not surprised at how he created a narrative (if this was set by him and not by media for traction).

A breast cancer at stage 4 is easier to 'clinically' cure compared to more serious form of cancer that affect vital organs.
I highlighted 'clinically' because this is what it is. She is clinically cured from cancer and has to battle it out month over month, year over year and pray that cells does not appear in another organ.
Survival rate (5 years) for stage 4 breast cancer is at 31%. That's a high survival rate among various types of cancer.

Doctors give survival 'stats' to prep family. It does not mean that it is taken as absolute mark. I have seen doctors feel so happy when patients beat that 'stat'. They feel very happy that patient and family put so much effort to live.

Those at stage 4 get really aggressive treatment in the form of radiation and chemo which takes such a bad toll on the body. Even the strongest of the strongest suffer throughout the treatment. They are literally hit by radioactive poison and there are multiple sessions based on how severe it is. Kudos to Sidhu's wife for going through this living hell and coming out strong.

Sidhu's wife got the best possible treatment while also having strong diet. This is what helped them. Getting the best possible treatment while also getting Ayurvedic diet that helped her body to suppress side affects and bring energy back. But is she cancer free? Nobody can tell for next 10 years. My mom, to this day follow very strict diet to stay strong. If you see her food, it is absolutely in line with what ayurveda proposes. But, did we ditch modern medicine? No. We get scans done every year. Any sign, we go for tests to make sure that the bloody cancer cell has not returned. Most recent was last week. She was getting lot of cough and we went to get this checked though we know that she has some allergies. We cannot pump more turmeric and neem etc and sit thinking that we are good.

OP, your argument that people here hate Ayurveda is, well, typical 'if you do not agree with me, you are anti-xxxxxx' mentality. You are blinded by clickbait news, we are not. It is as simple as that. Western medicine is based on facts and lot of testing. The concern that these doctors raise about Ayurveda (especially the type given by certain babas) is that these babas make unrealistic claims and when they are asked to show data/facts, they start using 'anti-xxxx' card. Ayurveda is good, very very good but it cannot cure everything. You cannot perform invasive surgeries and treatments with Ayurveda. And bhai, intermittent fasting as a way to treat cancer is also click-bait. We do not even know at what stage they started this intermittent fasting and what supplements were given during that time. There is no evidence that this works on every one who is battling cancer. Now, ignorants will try to stop taking critical care/medicine and put all their trust in ayurveda. IF one person dies because they thought it will work for them as well (Ayurveda alone), when it could have been cured by modern medicine, the bloody is on Sidhu's hands and all those who amplified his ignorant statements.

Please swallow your pride and change the title. It is misleading and clickbait. There are thousands of stage 4 cancer survivors. The process Sidhu's family is not new. It is common among Indians.
 
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What Sidhu did is so bad at so many levels. There were two deaths in my mother's side family due to cancer and my mother recovered from breast cancer (been 6 years) and it was stage 2a. That article is absolute clickbait. What Sidhuji said was absolutely wrong. He should have spread the knowledge on how they combined modern medicine and Ayurveda treatments to survive stage 4 cancer. But him being Sidhu, not surprised at how he created a narrative (if this was set by him and not by media for traction).

A breast cancer at stage 4 is easier to 'clinically' cure compared to more serious form of cancer that affect vital organs.
I highlighted 'clinically' because this is what it is. She is clinically cured from cancer and has to battle it out month over month, year over year and pray that cells does not appear in another organ.
Survival rate (5 years) for stage 4 breast cancer is at 31%. That's a high survival rate among various types of cancer.

Doctors give survival 'stats' to prep family. It does not mean that it is taken as absolute mark. I have seen doctors feel so happy when patients beat that 'stat'. They feel very happy that patient and family put so much effort to live.

Those at stage 4 get really aggressive treatment in the form of radiation and chemo which takes such a bad toll on the body. Even the strongest of the strongest suffer throughout the treatment. They are literally hit by radioactive poison and there are multiple sessions based on how severe it is. Kudos to Sidhu's wife for going through this living hell and coming out strong.

Sidhu's wife got the best possible treatment while also having strong diet. This is what helped them. Getting the best possible treatment while also getting Ayurvedic diet that helped her body to suppress side affects and bring energy back. But is she cancer free? Nobody can tell for next 10 years. My mom, to this day follow very strict diet to stay strong. If you see her food, it is absolutely in line with what ayurveda proposes. But, did we ditch modern medicine? No. We get scans done every year. Any sign, we go for tests to make sure that the bloody cancer cell has not returned. Most recent was last week. She was getting lot of cough and we went to get this checked though we know that she has some allergies. We cannot pump more turmeric and neem etc and sit thinking that we are good.

OP, your argument that people here hate Ayurveda is, well, typical 'if you do not agree with me, you are anti-xxxxxx' mentality. You are blinded by clickbait news, we are not. It is as simple as that. Western medicine is based on facts and lot of testing. The concern that these doctors raise about Ayurveda (especially the type given by certain babas) is that these babas make unrealistic claims and when they are asked to show data/facts, they start using 'anti-xxxx' card. Ayurveda is good, very very good but it cannot cure everything. You cannot perform invasive surgeries and treatments with Ayurveda. And bhai, intermittent fasting as a way to treat cancer is also click-bait. We do not even know at what stage they started this intermittent fasting and what supplements were given during that time. There is no evidence that this works on every one who is battling cancer. Now, ignorants will try to stop taking critical care/medicine and put all their trust in ayurveda. IF one person dies because they thought it will work for them as well (Ayurveda alone), when it could have been cured by modern medicine, the bloody is on Sidhu's hands and all those who amplified his ignorant statements.

Please swallow your pride and change the title. It is misleading and clickbait. There are thousands of stage 4 cancer survivors. The process Sidhu's family is not new. It is common among Indians.
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When I first replied to his post, the title was worse, it mentioned "cured by ayurveda" and then changed to the current one which is milder but still misleading.

A lot of the Ayurvedic treatments are empirical. The human biology and lifestyle has also changed over these thousands of years and as-is treatments from ages ago need to be studied in more detail. What is needed is extensive clinical testing and certification for ayurveda, which somehow doesn't happen because it will impact a lot of the practitioners. It is also important to draw a line as to what is possible without surgery and modern scientific treatments.

It is more concerning to see ayurvedic treatments for every health concern under the sun being pushed by these expert babas when they have no basis in any traditional literature, let alone science. When some of these pseudo-treatments start costing lives, it is is impossible to be silent about it.
 
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utter bs

just shut the cancer hospitals down
why these threads even exist here on a tech forum?
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suggest her to stop eating ayurvedic things (she) used along with medicine and do rely only on medicine to get cure, is it possible? will she agree with you ?

being a Doctor stop BS and search/research and present here (if you can) how combination of Modern Medicine + Diet (Ayurved) works for her and she came out of Danger and enjoying life ... millions of people will thank & bless you


@desiibond , happy to hear that once in a year Testing, Modern Medicine both manage to get desired effect with HELP OF DIET (Ayurveda) for her ... thanks for posting
 
Emperor said:
being a Doctor stop BS and search/research and present here (if you can) how combination of Modern Medicine + Diet (Ayurved) works for her and she came out of Danger and enjoying life ... millions of people will thank & bless you
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not arguing with you anymore my biggest mistake that I even commented here sorry.

ALL HAIL AYURVEDA..

just ruined my day by looking at all the defense for ayurveda.
 
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When I first replied to his post, the title was worse, it mentioned "cured by ayurveda" and then changed to the current one which is milder but still misleading.

A lot of the Ayurvedic treatments are empirical. The human biology and lifestyle has also changed over these thousands of years and as-is treatments from ages ago need to be studied in more detail. What is needed is extensive clinical testing and certification for ayurveda, which somehow doesn't happen because it will impact a lot of the practitioners. It is also important to draw a line as to what is possible without surgery and modern scientific treatments.

It is more concerning to see ayurvedic treatments for every health concern under the sun being pushed by these expert babas when they have no basis in any traditional literature, let alone science. When some of these pseudo-treatments start costing lives, it is is impossible to be silent about it.
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forget about what I post & how I post, try to understand that Modern medicine works with Ayurveda when there was very little hope left .... why you ALL considering& focusing on what went wrong with Ayureveda like everything always happens good with modern medicine treatment?
 
To be frank, there is nothing ayurvedic about fasting and starving the cancerous cells.
Ayurveda, and so countless many cultures across the world, advocates fasting for health purpose. Most likely because all observed, over a long period of time, that people who fast do tend to live longer with better quality and reduced obesity. There is no underlying reasoning and verifiable mechanisms provided - and hence Ayurveda falls short of being scientific.

In fact it is Scientific method that may show promises using fasting (and turmeric) as a tool - exactly what the letter from the Hospital also states. It is an emerging area, with results not proven, and hence the doctors and hospitals cannot reccomend as a standard recourse. However, there are plenty of researchers with whom you can sign up for such experimental treatments.
 
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To be frank, there is nothing ayurvedic about fasting and starving the cancerous cells.
Ayurveda, and so countless many cultures across the world, advocates fasting for health purpose. Most likely because all observed, over a long period of time, that people who fast do tend to live longer with better quality and reduced obesity. There is no underlying reasoning and verifiable mechanisms provided - and hence Ayurveda falls short of being scientific.

In fact it is Scientific method that may show promises using fasting (and turmeric) as a tool - exactly what the letter from the Hospital also states. It is an emerging area, with results not proven, and hence the doctors and hospitals cannot reccomend as a standard recourse. However, there are plenty of researchers with whom you can sign up for such experimental treatments.
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Calling all Doctors & Pharma Sector MR at TE, join them ( @ssslayer please provide link for join), but being as Doctors you may already know via medical periodicals-journals/medical representatives input or fellow Doctors chat group) use your time for betterment/research..

Every good Doctor, always recommend natural things for betterment of patient along with medicine but they avoid to write it on prescription paper. I know their limitations but also respect them that in spite of heavy pressure they still keep thinking/suggesting good things that work for their patient.

PS: I'm not from Medical background so not aware if any Doctor can join research group or not or the way to join.
 
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mayank11280 said:
I think, Ayurveda too can become the part of sciences if it opens itself up to scientific inquiry.
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Don't think anyone is stopping such a move, except Ayurveda denier, ironically once it's done successfully the product rather automagically become modern medicine, hiding the history behind the product. Which is a trope repeated commonly, here too and beaten to death multiple times. Don't think anything else needs explained further on this topic.
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Science is not about leniency.
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Science is always about correctness, even when it fails, because that is how science is defined even when it fails.
Ayurveda is not about being correctness, it is an old method of treatment which desperately needs scientific rediscovery in contemporary age.
Comment verily conveys the point of giving the some level of excuses (aka tolerance) you ascribe to science when science does a mistake, to ayurveda too when testing ayurveda products scientifically. Enough tests are needed as done with modern scientific compounds to produce medicine.
To rediscover, people needs to admit that Ayurveda exist and there is at least some minimal merit to it, however low it might be. But the newgen mandate believers have a boneheadedness that they are not simply ready to admit there is even some minor merit to ayurveda just because it's old, traditional and ancient. Or because they dumbly got scammed by some quacks in the name of ayurveda.
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Similarly, Ayurveda should be more flexible and explorative to not only stand on the standards at first but also to set new standards going forward.
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Very right, seems anything more needs to be explained further.
mayank11280 said:
I think most people here have been constructively critical of Ayurveda.
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But many comments here only says they got scammed by quacks, which is neither related to Ayurveda nor related to science.
 
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Every good Doctor, always recommend natural things for betterment of patient along with medicine but they avoid to write it on prescription paper. I know their limitations but also respect them that in spite of heavy pressure they still keep thinking/suggesting good things that work for their patient.
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There is strict protocol and rules on how a prescription paper should be, on what a doctor can put on prescription. The main purpose of prescription is for doctor to authorize use of certain medicine and for a pharmacist to disperse medicine iirc. It also is used to write line of traeatment that requires another specialist or therapist to follow. They can guide patient on how to take additional treatment like gurgling, steam etc but they do not write that on prescription. There are cases where these prescriptions are used in other countries to get medicine. The standards are set so that you can carry that piece of paper and get medicine anywhere in the world. Let's not mix personal opinion over process and standards that are followed. And no, there is no pressure from departments forcing doctors not to suggest therapies. Most doctors I have seen push us to avoid antibiotics, try to use therapies like steaming, reduce intake of unhealthy food etc. There was one doctor who prescribed antibiotics on day 1 for my kid. I left the hospital and never saw that doctor again.


Btw, I just saw that press conference. Sidhu said

'the treatment used for cancer is the same that is used for fatty liver. We both followed same and my fatty liver too is cured'.
'cancer is inflammation. Reason for cancer is inflammation. It happens due to milk, wheat (carbs), refined sugar, maida'.
'the only grain that is anti inflammation and anti cancer is quinoa'.
'this guy came to me saying that he was sent back from Canada as they cannot treat stage 4 cancer. I gave juices. Two weeks later, he stood and is alive even after 10 years'.
‘Starve cancer cells by doing fasting’.

Now, do you really want to take his BS talk as an example for your opinion? What he told later is what is many who want to lose weight and get to healthy lifestyle does. Saying that it cured cancer is him doing his usual blabbering for attention. Who the **** believes that cancer is inflammation that can be cured by doing weight loss program.

Go to 14:00.
 
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TEUser2K1 said:
Don't think anyone is stopping such a move, except Ayurveda denier, ironically once it's done successfully the product rather automagically become modern medicine, hiding the history behind the product. Which is a trope repeated commonly, here too and beaten to death multiple times. Don't think anything else needs explained further on this topic.
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Another way to say that would be whatever works is added to medicine. Dont you want it this way ? Then whatever works in ayurveda can also become part of modern medicine. Or from any other source. Why does label matter ?
Remove all emotional and political baggage and what we want is to use what works. And most things work in a probabilistic way so having more options is good. Also only in alternative meds do you get claims of 100% percent treatment effectiveness which is detached from reality.

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To rediscover, people needs to admit that Ayurveda exist and there is at least some minimal merit to it, however low it might be. But the newgen mandate believers have a boneheadedness that they are not simply ready to admit there is even some minor merit to ayurveda just because it's old, traditional and ancient. Or because they dumbly got scammed by some quacks in the name of ayurveda.
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No, but because it doesn't work well. In my experience atleast, from established drs with good 'reputation'.
And its an easy cop out to just say that that dr was quack. imo they are all quacks. Atleast until proven otherwise.

Whether its traditional or emotional or whatever has no relevance. Its not patriotic either. Just test (properly) and use what works.

And eating heatlhy and every natural product cannot be labelled as ayurveda. vaat pit cough doesn't seem to have any basis in reality, neither does garam thanda that these people keep adding as labels to food. A lot of it is superstition from times when people knew less. That is fine, but then it has to update itself as new stuff is discovered. This they don't seem to do, they make money selling useless crap and throw a fit if called for it.
 
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Another way to say that would be whatever works is added to medicine.
Only thing is that some people are not ready to admit there can be at least sources of medicine in Ayurveda.
Tracer_Bullet said:
Why does label matter ?
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If label does not matter, why you are so worried about Ayurveda label ?
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Remove all emotional and political baggage and what we want is to use what works.
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Exactly, remember that it works both ways.
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No, but because it doesn't work well. In my experience atleast, from established drs with good 'reputation'.
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Your personal anecdotes does not matter, otherwise I'll have to bring in my personal anecdotes which are plenty and serious. Which I personally dislike totally.
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And its an easy cop out to just say that that dr was quack. imo they are all quacks. Atleast until proven otherwise.
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If the treatment was ineffective, if the condition could not be treated in Ayurveda and quack offered to treat you, he is a quack. There is not two way about that, the same logic applies to modern medicine too.
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Whether its traditional or emotional or whatever has no relevance. Its not patriotic either. Just test (properly) and use what works.
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Issue here have nothing to do with emotion.
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And eating heatlhy and every natural product cannot be labelled as ayurveda.
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Diet have a serious role in Ayurveda, especially when taking some treatments. Eating healthy is good for you, whether it's ayurveda or not, also ayurveda always recommend eating healthy for a health life. But one don't need ayurveda to give this recommendation anyways. Ayurveda is also about your lifestyle which involved food, mind, environment, etc.
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but then it has to update itself as new stuff is discovered. This they don't seem to do, they make money selling useless crap and throw a fit if called for it.
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This I agree with, serious research is definitely needed without crap.
 
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Don't think anyone is stopping such a move, except Ayurveda denier, ironically once it's done successfully the product rather automagically become modern medicine, hiding the history behind the product. Which is a trope repeated commonly, here too and beaten to death multiple times. Don't think anything else needs explained further on this topic.
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TEUser2K1 said:
Science is always about correctness, even when it fails, because that is how science is defined even when it fails.
Ayurveda is not about being correctness, it is an old method of treatment which desperately needs scientific rediscovery in contemporary age.
Comment verily conveys the point of giving the some level of excuses (aka lineage) you ascribe to science when science does a mistake, to ayurveda too when testing ayurveda products scientifically. Enough tests are needed as done with modern scientific compounds to produce medicine.
To rediscover, people needs to admit that Ayurveda exist and there is at least some minimal merit to it, however low it might be. But the newgen mandate believers have a boneheadedness that they are not simply ready to admit there is even some minor merit to ayurveda just because it's old, traditional and ancient. Or because they dumbly got scammed by some quacks in the name of ayurveda.
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Science is all about empiricism, rationality, objectivity, scepticism, verifiability and self-correction. There is a misconception that science claims absolute truth. It does not. Science is not a religion. It is not even a subject. But it is the method of studying reality to discover the truth behind underlying objects and phenomena to come to an inter-subjective understanding, which is valid and reliable.

This scientific method is science. It tries to study the reality within the current constraints of knowledge and abilities. When new evidence contrary to established wisdom is presented, science changes. Some may call it a “mistake” but the ability to acknowledge and improve upon the erstwhile shortcomings is the beauty of the discipline.

Ayurveda cannot escape scientific verification and claim refuge in tradition. That will make it dogmatic and stagnant. One “medicine” will work on one, not on another, while causing acute reactions or worse in another. It will fail to arouse trust and reliability in its efficacy and increase suspicion against it. Ayurveda need not become allopathy but it must become rigorous, transparent and self-correcting.

I am far from calling sceptical people any pejorative. If Allopathy had failed to produce reliable results, people wouldn’t trust it either. The need for evidence based application, regulation and standardisation is still there for Ayurveda to become universally acceptable. Anecdotal evidence will not suffice and people’s suspicion should rather be seen with the need for improvement in the ISM (India System if Medicines).
 
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TEUser2K1 said:
Only thing is that some people are not ready to admit there can be at least sources of medicine in Ayurveda.
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I don't see anyone saying that here.

But anyway this is not the domain for most of us. So what actual contribution we have had only people involved would know ( or we need to research).
Lots of stuff from old times would have been discovered accidentally ( like so many things perhaps ) and would be useful. Point is to separate that, perhaps refine that and then take what works.

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Exactly, remember that it works both ways.
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Obviously. I also don't like the complete for profit focus and privatization of everything in healthcare. Incentives really are wrong then. I don't trust insurance guys, insurance guys don't trust me, nobody trusts hospitals and hospitals have incentive to run unnecessary procedures and tests and meet corporate targets. Drs given indirect incentive to sell some brands, aspiring drs having to pay huge sum over long periods to gain qualification etc etc. I don't know how paranoid this sounds, but Indian healthcare seems messed up.
If i go to a dentist with an infected tooth, an implant specialist advises removal + implant and an endodontist says to do root canal. On hearing endodontist advice, implant specialist says ofc he will say that.
wtf is this ? ( eventually did root canal and it worked out ok for relative)

So i am not saying its all rosy here. But that doesn't justify going after unproven alternative stuff.
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Your personal anecdotes does not matter, otherwise I'll have to bring in my personal anecdotes which are plenty and serious. Which I personally dislike totally.
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Exactly.
All we hear from alternative gurus is personal anecdotes. The start of this thread is that, quoted from a person who seems to have disregarded benefit of actual treatment ( or has been interpreted that way)
Always that + fear + call to tradition/patriotism and us vs western + 100% cure + cure for things that are hard to cure etc etc. The general underlying belief that ancient people knew more that us ( kalyug vs satyug / sandhu sants etc ) is stupid and without proof.

Its a mess.

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If the treatment was ineffective, if the condition could not be treated in Ayurveda and quack offered to treat you, he is a quack. There is not two way about that, the same logic applies to modern medicine too.
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You are calling him quack, now define who is not a quack ? None of them have degrees and neither is anything proven for a degree to have any value.
We went to many 'good' established ayurvedic doctors based on word of mouth. They have well established treatment centers. What else can one do ? This is in Mumbai too.
Its an easy cop out imo to blame the dr when it doesnt work with the assumption that others are any better.

Its an invalid premise to say there is not enough money to test. If things actually work you can test and take treatments world wide and make money. A lot of the money that is spent to research meds is probably in discovery, tests come after that. They dont even have to do that - only test what you claim works.

But all these gurus have an incentive to keep the fud going while selling useless services. Thats my view anyway...

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Issue here have nothing to do with emotion.
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Most argumenets in favor are emotional / illogical. But anyway ..

TEUser2K1 said:
Diet have a serious role in Ayurveda, especially when taking some treatments. Eating healthy is good for you, whether it's ayurveda or not, also ayurveda always recommend eating healthy for a health life. But one don't need ayurveda to give this recommendation anyways. Ayurveda is also about your lifestyle which involved food, mind, environment, etc.
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What i see is that people looking at any evidence of use of good diet and 'natural' substances and quickly link that to premise that 'Ayurveda' works.

Anyway, i am done. Have work to do. Not much will change and i am sure no serious effort will ever be made to do below. Only excuses and conspiracies.
mayank11280 said:
Ayurveda needs to be proven, regulated, standardised and controlled to improve quality, accessibility and affordability of healthcare for the people.
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Your personal anecdotes does not matter, otherwise I'll have to bring in my personal anecdotes which are plenty and serious. Which I personally dislike totally.
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Hitchens’s razor: what can be asserted without evidence can also be refuted without evidence.

I think @Tracer_Bullet makes a fine point. Ayurveda needs to become standardised, until then everyone’s anecdotal evidence matters as much as the system itself, that is not much IMO.
 
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Ayurveda needs to become standardised
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That is the whole point am making in almost all my comments, but many other comments are merely pooh poohing Ayurveda as pseudoscience for just being ancient, traditional, what not.
Or how they got into quacks and scammed, etc. which does not bring any merit to the subject. Because quacks exist in modern medicine practitioners also, rather causing serious harm.
Your balanced comment quoted above is what happens when many of such people are short of credible answers, but after a few seconds will again start disparaging Ayurveda as if it's their behavioral limitation due to mandate based learning without questioning. Quite a repeated process in this forum.
Cannot wake up a person who act as if he is sleeping effect, maybe.
 
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Tracer_Bullet said:
And eating heatlhy and every natural product cannot be labelled as ayurveda. vaat pit cough doesn't seem to have any basis in reality, neither does garam thanda that these people keep adding as labels to food. A lot of it is superstition from times when people knew less. That is fine, but then it has to update itself as new stuff is discovered. This they don't seem to do, they make money selling useless crap and throw a fit if called for it.
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you don't know abc of Ayurveda, neither I'm claiming I know but I have some basic knowledge
I think you even in 2024 you don't know lots of natural products/produce that mentioned in Ayurveda as Medicine and is natural food for someone even before Science took birth, but I'm not here to debate over it...

Vat, Pitta & Cough is thing, which if imbalanced beyond repair limit (via food/medicine etc.) it can even caused Cancer and what not.... Vat (Gas), Pitta (Acidity) & Cough (You know it).

People in todays world enjoy Coffee that made from Shit of Animal (Kopi Luwak) but hate natural things that mentioned in Ayurveda (Gaumutra/Cowdung etc.)

How many of you know that MDR-TB that science battling to find medicine and pass all blame for this TB Variant on over use of Antibiotic, the same Antibiotic that approved by Science to use in TB Patients?

This MDR-TB & basic TB can cure via GOAT (Bakri) shit, urine, sweat & Milk (not via hurting, cruel, torturing or extracting produce via machine) but problem is how many have Time for such cumbersome process, where to find Goat who just ate Natural Organic Mix Variety of Grass, Plant and that too in open air grazing by walking few miles everyday under good sunlight etc. etc.

Science can prove drugs/medicines as it can be produce & taste in lab, but above Goat Therapy Things can not possible to produce in one lab or factory and who hell in 2024 have that much time to make itself available in Organic Goat Farm may be for 24x7/365 or more days and that with STRICT DIET RULE that need to avoid nearly 99% food items, practicing brahmachari etc. and under name of Organic if that farm use western things than? .... so here Modern Medicine won the race, it produce a tiny Tablet/Injection take 2-3 time a day at any place at your convenience and you are free to do/eat anything everything anytime plus no need to ask any one to help to Gulp Tablet or inject, Once you produce tablet/injection in millions/trillions in factory keep selling it, produce more and more as per order but such thing not possible from Goat.

Also with Modern Medicine if anything bad happens with patient Doctor can not be blame (Rule/Law/Scientifically proved by Pharma Giant etc.) but if something went wrong with patient while under treatment from Ayurveda will the same security that a Modern Medicine & Doctor have applicable to that Ayurved Doctor, some best Ayurveda Practitioners don't have degree, zero English knowledge, simple living and due to law they themselves stop treating patients and turn to farming (they only treat their near one & dear one)... it's loss to humanity at large but who cares .... we will keep drinking Shit Cofee Kopi Luwak... Enjoy !!!

Moral of ... if Modern Medicine Failed, try Ayurveda
 
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