84k Config required for Gaming and Video Editing

[AMDfreak]

Hey all

Been a long time since i have been active over here...
Been in a place with no internet and lots of studying to do...Sadly, haven't been in touch with the latest mobo,proccs and graphic cards...

A friend of mine wants a new Desktop and he was almost fooled by some guys at Nehru Place regarding the config...He's got a budget of 84k...Impossible to stretch beyond this...

He wants a good config for Gaming and Video Editing which he is going to start learning in sometime...Had a look at the 80k recommendation but it had some unwanted stuff...I have like asked him to keep his buying plans at a hold coz i wanted some really good advice from the folks over here...Last time i wanted a config the guys here helped me out a lot...

Specifications

i7Proccy ( Intel Core i7 930 ?) and a good mobo (+ cooling if required)
DDR3 ram if possible or DDR2 (8Gb?)
1 TB 7200rpm HDD
Monitor 24"
High-end Gfx Card for gaming + Video editing(i have no idea regarding what video editing requires:S ) (SLi any good for this purpose?)
Speakers
Good SMPS
UPS
Ventialted and good cabby
Dvd writer
A decent keyboard (500 rs? :ashamed (no mouse reqd)
I guess Original OS too...Win7 premium?

If i have left anything please help me out
Would be happy if i could get some quick responses :clap:

Cheers,
AMDfreak

 

[Amien]

If you really must go for a core i7/X58 based setup, look at this as a rough template:-

CPU: Core i7 930 ~15k
Motherboard: Gigabyte X58A UD3R ~11k
RAM: G.skill 3x2=6GB DDR3 1333 Mhz CL9 (1600Mhz, CL7 preferred, both if possible) ~10k?
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 1TB ~4k
Display: BenQ G2420 ~11k
GPU: HD 5850 ~15k
Speakers: Altec Lansing MX5021 ~6k
PSU: Corsair TX650 ~6k
Cabinet: NZXT Gamma ~2k
Input: Logitech Basic Keyboard/mouse combo ~0.6k
Optical Drive: DVDRW of your choice ~1k

Total = ~80k, all prices are approximate.

However, I do not recommend this build because I think your friend wants the rig primarily for gaming(correct me if I'm wrong though : ) ) and an AMD based setup would do that much cheaper, let you use nicer overall components such as case, input devices etc, while providing enough juice to handle his "newbie" video editing skills( you did mention he is yet to begin learning, right?).
When he turns "pro", drop-in a 6 core processor and watch encoding fly(or start off with one, available for pre-order already), all while saving many a pretty penny and/or ending up with a better, more rounded config.(It sucks to have a 2k case and basic input device combo in an 80k computer, if you get my drift) . So, if you are willing to re-consider, and you should, you can get an AMD based suggestion next. Also, you get to live up to your username. How cool is that?
Cheers!

 

[chiron]

^^ Yeah, giving too much priority to the processor/gfx card is the biggest mistake people make while buying a PC since those are the components that will be outdated six months from now.

If he really wants to spend 80k then;

- go for a better monitor

- a decent set of headphones in addition to speakers coz there might be ocassions where you don't want to wake up neighbors/family while gaming at night

- better cabinet

Alternatively he can spend less and use the money saved for later upgrades.

 

[SoulFire]

the new AMD hexacores are out , and the best one costs 11/16k , pick one of them and get a 890gx chipset usb3 board for 9kish , id recommend a SSD if possible which would be the bottleneck for the OS

 

[ALPHA17]

the new AMD hexacores are out , and the best one costs 11/16k , pick one of them and get a 890gx chipset usb3 board for 9kish , id recommend a SSD if possible which would be the bottleneck for the OS

Dude its still not clear wether the AMD Phenom x6 line up is out or not. Please provide relevant links and don't speculate :no:

There are no 890GX mobos that are quiet that cheap apart from the MSI which in my opinion is not worth investing as it is a MicroATX board and thus will have heating issues.

As well as the USB 3.0 advantage is negated due to lack of sufficient USB 3.0 compatible devices as they are slated not to join mainstream usage till around Mid 2011 and then he can buy a PCI expansion controller instead of paying a premium now and take full advantage of the situation

SSD is not recommended simply due to two factors:
1) Pricing
2) The technology is not yet mature and has problems with multiple reads and writes which overtime degrade the life of the flash components making them less reliable :cool2:

So would recommend AMDFreak to stick with the Intel config or wait for a decent AMD config
Techtree.com India > News > Hardware > New Six-core AMD Thuban Chips on the Anvil

above link says that AMD has no plans of releasing THUBAN until atleast August, September or max October

 

[chiron]

^^ its on sale in the market section.

 

[DarkAngel]

Dude its still not clear wether the AMD Phenom x6 line up is out or not. Please provide relevant links and don't speculate :no:

Techtree.com India > News > Hardware > New Six-core AMD Thuban Chips on the Anvil

above link says that AMD has no plans of releasing THUBAN until atleast August, September or max October

http://www.techenclave.com/dealers-paradise/preorder-six-legged-dragons-164845.html

Relevant link They are already on preorder in TE and expected to ship on April28 even in India. Even with a dealy it should arrive in metros by 1st week of may.

Did u atleast read through the techtree link. It clearly mentions that PhenomII X6 1075T, 1055T and 1035T will be released in Q2 2010. :| Q2 2010 means April-June of 2010. The chips are set to arrive by end of April. PhenomII X6 means its a 6 core processor. T means Thuban. Don't point fingers at someone who is up-to-date with the hardware scenario just because u r ignorant of hardware developments.

The USA prices were revealed about a week back (April 16 IIRC)

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18489/1/

http://www.techenclave.com/cpu-mobo-corner/six-core-phenoms-listed-stateside-cheap-164486.html

USA prices were, Phenom II X6 1090T, clocked at 3.2GHz ~ $318, Phenom II X6 1055T ~ $240. This is why ppl were speculating prices of 11-16k in India and SMC is offering them for the exact same prices.

Prices:

AMD X6 1090T -- 16200/- Shipped

AMD X6 1055T -- 11100/- Shipped

Its a PRE ORDER, the CPU's will be shipped from 28th APRIL onwards

Edit:

:lol: Did u mistake Q2 2010 as the indian financial year way Q2->July- September Boss it works other way internationally. The quarters are based on one calender year. But even then you should have be up-to-date with the latest developments before pointing fingers at others.

www.fudzilla.com

Chk it for latest news. mostly they cover most h/w news at the earliest. If someone is aware of better news sites plz post them too.

Sorry for the OT

 

[harryneopotter]

@ Alpha17 - Thubans are out mate ....check the market section.

Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H is a 890gx based board (with USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 Gbps) and is available for 9.6 k with the same dealer !

 

[fockerunleashed]

sorry for the OT:

harryneopotter ^^^ as far as i see 'YOU' are SMC Intln.

why do you pose as someone else!

 

[AMDfreak]

@ Amien- thanks for the config bro...but he primarily wants it for both gaming and video-editing...although it may be newbie skills, he doesnt want to upgrade his PC anytime in the near future (abt 3 years min)...

@ all- Regarding the mouse, keyboard and headsets; he's already got a good gaming gear (Courtesy : CS addiction):clap:

@Chiron
i insisted on a 24" monitor coz i wanted it to fit the budget...

@ soulfire, darkangel & harryneopotter - can u guys shed more light on the 6core Thubans?hyeah: ( will google it up, but always easier to hear a gisted version )...looks like this would be more future proof and fit the purpose...

Lastly- this might be a "oh-so-noobie" question but does 6GB DDR3 suffice for video-editing? i know it does for gaming but have no clue abt Video editing...

 

[Amien]

@ Amien- thanks for the config bro...but he primarily wants it for both gaming and video-editing...although it may be newbie skills, he doesnt want to upgrade his PC anytime in the near future (abt 3 years min)...

No problem.
I still think an AMD based setup will do all he needs for less. At the end its your/his call.
3 years is a long time, nothing you buy is going to guarantee that you will be covered, unless your requirements don't change. Though in the grand scheme of things, the i7 rig. is easily the better performer, even if it may be overkill, so go for it if that's what his heart's after. =)

Lastly- this might be a "oh-so-noobie" question but does 6GB DDR3 suffice for video-editing? i know it does for gaming but have no clue abt Video editing...

More than enough. You can always add more RAM if needed, but you cannot ask for a refund on overkill components. =)

@ALPHA17
Did you just quote freakin TechTree? OMG! :rofl: :rofl:
Also, the rest of your post was too long/didn't read.

 

[AMDfreak]

No problem.
I still think an AMD based setup will do all he needs for less. At the end its your/his call.
3 years is a long time, nothing you buy is going to guarantee that you will be covered, unless your requirements don't change.

Oh...so an AMD based setup would suffice for video-editing too?:huh:...

 

[Amien]

Oh...so an AMD based setup would suffice for video-editing too?:huh:...

Well, the i7 setup will save you a few seconds here and there. It depends on you to decide if it all adds up, and if it is worth the price of admission.

A bevy of new desktop processors arrives - The Tech Report - Page 1

Refer to the processor round-up above and see what floats your boat. Self-research is the best kind.
(above link is just for reference, does not include the newer 6 core CPU's)

EDIT:- Refer to http://www.techenclave.com/cpu-mobo-corner/amd-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-1055t-164863.html for x6 numbers/info.

 

[DarkAngel]

Wait for the Thuban's extensive review/ benchies. It should come up in 5-6 days at the most. Not only you can save on the proccies but also on the mobos.

If a 16k Thuban matches 14.5k i-7 920 i would still choose the Thuban bcoz i can run a thuban in a ~5-6k mobo but the cheapest X58 mobo costs 10k.

Just came across the news that Intel is set to release one more socket along with the LGA-1156. Seems like LGA-2011 is all set to replace LGA-1366 early next year. I would rather settle with a AM3 socket

But wait for the benchies/ comparisions and then decide

 

[blr_p]

Did u atleast read through the techtree link. It clearly mentions that PhenomII X6 1075T, 1055T and 1035T will be released in Q2 2010. :| Q2 2010 means April-June of 2010.

Edit:
:lol: Did u mistake Q2 2010 as the indian financial year way Q2->July- September Boss it works other way internationally. The quarters are based on one calender year.

Its not clear on that techtree site which country's quarters they are using, given its an indian site one would expect Q2 to be july-sept

Otherwise in the US, Q2 was Jan-March

Might explain why they're available here by end April

 

[AMDfreak]

Sigh! waiting is always a problem...If not for the hexacores, does the i7 config of amien fit the purpose?

 

[chiron]

WD 1tb black might be an alternative to the seagate. The prices of those are a bit inflated nowadays though.

 

[ALPHA17]

Hello DarkAngel I sincerely apologize for the wrong info, but I was unaware about the Quarters, like you said in INDIA it is from March onwards and in the US Jan onwards it is easy to confuse I'm sorry for the mess :ashamed:

As for Chiron's latest statement for skimping on the HDD's I stringently oppose it as I have seen two of my college friends 1TB WD HDDs fail them losing a lot of data in the process.

As for the Image editing/gaming rig I don't recommend a Hexacore as none of the current MS apps and programs are not even properly optimized to take full use of all the extra cores :cool2: even the 64-bit versions

AMDFreak you can go for the current i7 rig it will last a bit longer, but as I am a Animation student an AMD rig wll also do fine, following rig
(ALL PRICEs ARE FROM BANGALORE)

AMD Phenom II 965 BE -- 9K
GIGABYTE 790XTA UD4 ( or MSI 890GX G65 ) -- 13K or 9K
G. Skill 1333MHz 4GB kit -- 6K ( can go for two of these if budget permits )
ATI Radeon HD 5850 -- 16K
Cooler Master 690 -- 4K
Cooler Master Real Power Pro 500W -- 4.5K
24' Dell -- 11K
DVD writer -- 1K
Logitech Multimedia Keyboard -- .5K
Seagate 1TB -- 4K ( I would recommend to have separate OS disk and Storage disk will help prevent data loss if one of your disks gives up )
Altec Lansing MX 5021 -- 6K

Advantages of AMD rig
You don't need specialist Triple Channel memory like in Intel
Overall similar performance as an Intel i7 920 rig
The AM3 socket is a long term shot so chances of socket change and thereof processor redundancy are reduced.

Disadvantages
Limited too 1333MHz RAM if you don't plan to over clock AMD Phenom II X4 810 and X3 720 BE Review - CPUs and Memory Reviews - TrustedReviews
Slightly less power efficient

Hope this helps you :hap2:
and Amien what is the problem in my quoting from TechTree :huh:

 

[chiron]

As for Chiron's latest statement for skimping on the HDD's I stringently oppose it as I have seen two of my college friends 1TB WD HDDs fail them losing a lot of data in the process.

lol... how is getting a WD Black over a Seagate skimping?

 

[Amien]

and Amien what is the problem in my quoting from TechTree :huh:

Well... to put it in simple terms, they are the most unreliable source of info. out there.

BTW, some really nice suggestions. Good post sir.