A cool generation going deaf
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Saved your article for later because I'm not paranoid about losing my hearing even if I were to get back on stage and play heart-pounding deathmetal every weekend 
EDIT: And for the record, Americans are paranoid about everything... including a flu and fever lol. Stuff that we Indians accept and live without fear of, scares the hell out of them. Don't fall for it all - as I said in my first post, live life
EDIT: And for the record, Americans are paranoid about everything... including a flu and fever lol. Stuff that we Indians accept and live without fear of, scares the hell out of them. Don't fall for it all - as I said in my first post, live life
zhopudey
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Hmmm.........I think the main point where ours views differ is the term "Loss of hearing".
Are you thinking it means that you go deaf? Cause its not like that...there is a gradual process. Most likely, you'll lose the ability to listen to higher frequencies first. This might differ from person to person. And most of this damage seems to aggravate after a person turns 40.
Anyways, do read the article, and then come back.
Are you thinking it means that you go deaf? Cause its not like that...there is a gradual process. Most likely, you'll lose the ability to listen to higher frequencies first. This might differ from person to person. And most of this damage seems to aggravate after a person turns 40.
Anyways, do read the article, and then come back.
My reading that is not going to lead me back here to debate anything... both you and I are looking at this from different angles In a nutshell, you're saying 1% of the world's musicians have a hearing problem and I'm saying 99% don't have... I can't help it, but I'm an optimist!
EDIT: Actually, you're not saying it, someone else has but you believe it which is why you're trying to prove it
In a nutshell, you're saying 1% of the world's musicians have a hearing problem and I'm saying 99% don't have... I can't help it, but I'm an optimist! EDIT: Actually, you're not saying it, someone else has but you believe it which is why you're trying to prove it
Anticlocked
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wud have been better if ur hearing increased if u listened to alexi laiho 
the world wud be full of metalheads.
the world wud be full of metalheads.
digital_brain
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who cares .. forget music .. cars,horns etc produce more noise ..
so if I have to turn deaf .. lets do it in style
*plugged in System of a Down*
.. forget music .. cars,horns etc produce more noise .. so if I have to turn deaf .. lets do it in style
*plugged in System of a Down*
RiO said:Same old story... name one musician who has turned deaf! When you're on stage, the sound is way more than anything else you've ever heard... and there are musicians who've been playing way over 2 decades (Slayer, for example
My advice is just live life, it's really not that complicated
you are gonna turn deaf soon, won't hear me sneak up for that 830...watch out for the vandal soon, you won't hear him... :bleh:
nah listen to music at lower volumes... oh rio btw I play the guitar n sing too...
sunbiz_3000
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and I thought my grandmother was the only person who hated me, when I put the walkman on with my headphones... She definately had some vision of the future !!
while agreeing that loud sound is bad for your ears, i think there are way too many other sources of loud sound that need to be eliminated before we launch a witch hunt against earphones
I for one had my ears blown out recently when i was unfortunate enough to be in front of a mammoth column of PA systems when the operator tested them.. i was like :crazy:...BTW, I listen to a lot of music WAY too loud (see ma avatar ) but this was way too much:no: !
I for one had my ears blown out recently when i was unfortunate enough to be in front of a mammoth column of PA systems when the operator tested them.. i was like :crazy:...BTW, I listen to a lot of music WAY too loud (see ma avatar
) but this was way too much:no: !chic_magnet
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isnt it that most of the time people put high volumes esp on earphones and headphones only to cancel out the noise outside...
i know for one , when i`m using my earphones my volume is usually at 100% anywhere outside.. whilst using my friends 800i in-canal earphones volumes is usual;y 80% or even less... :hmm..
i do agree with medpal... some people are totally paranoid.. lol ..i know myself.. a live example....listening to music at moderate levels all my life.. and i have lost some sense of hearing.. i need higher volumes if i wanna listen to music or just normal audio on tv.. and my sister tells me what the hell the audio is too loud i cant stand it. and i`m like wtf.. i can barely understand what they saying .. :S
the thing is i never even used to hear loud music .. and i`m still gone a bit deaf..since i got my bike .. i havent heard a lot through earphones.. and hmm wanted to ask.. i dont put my tv at higher volumes now..atleast not as high as i had to b4 .. just to listen.. so is it that my hearing has improved??
i know for one , when i`m using my earphones my volume is usually at 100% anywhere outside.. whilst using my friends 800i in-canal earphones volumes is usual;y 80% or even less... :hmm..
i do agree with medpal... some people are totally paranoid.. lol ..i know myself.. a live example....listening to music at moderate levels all my life.. and i have lost some sense of hearing.. i need higher volumes if i wanna listen to music or just normal audio on tv.. and my sister tells me what the hell the audio is too loud i cant stand it. and i`m like wtf.. i can barely understand what they saying .. :S
the thing is i never even used to hear loud music .. and i`m still gone a bit deaf..since i got my bike .. i havent heard a lot through earphones.. and hmm wanted to ask.. i dont put my tv at higher volumes now..atleast not as high as i had to b4 .. just to listen.. so is it that my hearing has improved??
zhopudey said:Did you read the rolling stone article? First you said -
And this article gives plenty of examples
And then you said -
Quote from the article
RiO said:Saved your article for later because I'm not paranoid about losing my hearing even if I were to get back on stage and play heart-pounding deathmetal every weekend
EDIT: And for the record, Americans are paranoid about everything... including a flu and fever lol. Stuff that we Indians accept and live without fear of, scares the hell out of them. Don't fall for it all - as I said in my first post, live life
zhopudey said:Hmmm.........I think the main point where ours views differ is the term "Loss of hearing".
Are you thinking it means that you go deaf? Cause its not like that...there is a gradual process. Most likely, you'll lose the ability to listen to higher frequencies first. This might differ from person to person. And most of this damage seems to aggravate after a person turns 40.
Anyways, do read the article, and then come back.
very well said zhops :clap:
RiO said:My reading that is not going to lead me back here to debate anything... both you and I are looking at this from different angles
EDIT: Actually, you're not saying it, someone else has but you believe it which is why you're trying to prove it
you also said that bands play for 20 + years and they do not turn deaf. and you also said that americans are paranoid about everything and to add to that you mentioned that you believe in facts not theories.
firstly : how many musicians have you seen / evaluated / dealt with after 20 + years of performing? Have you ever encountered a deaf person in its entirity?
you talk about facts do you have any?
i am not talking of any kind of theories which are made in castle of air. i am talking pure facts.
in my clinical experience i have seen musicians / soldiers / construction workers / textile workers / street person accidentally exposed to noise / engineers working with high noise generating machines all with their profession related deafness. and there are a lot of them who are yet ignoring those defects of their body and lie undetected.
i would like to know your age, that paranoid behaviour of americans have given as a lot. think about inventions and discoveries there are a lot. they worry about problems arising from something does not mean they are criticising the thing in perspective.
it is the paranoid nature of american makes them winner in whatever they do. we indian just go on cursing situation and also let go situation out bounds and then criticise.
any ways that different topic and debate will never end...
Josh said:
@ josh :
any sound creates waves in air
which are caught by our ear
and then directed throuch the canal to the ear drum
which in turn vibrates and moves three tiny bones
which in turn produce ripples in the cochlea (internal hearing organ)
and these ripples generate tiny amount of electricity which is specific to amount of vibration, duration, loudness, and any criteria you can think of this current stimulates ORGAN OF CORTI (ultra microscopic cells
which generate signal which are transmitted to brain via nerve
and brain interpretes them.
so if you are exposed to loud sound (any kind of) it may damage ear drum / bones / organ of corti / nerve cell endings.
so the sound from any source (be it from earbuds / headphones / spealers / tv / machines / vehicles / environment ) has to be with in comfort zone.
sudden deafness from a loud sound due to explosion / firecracker / gun shot can occur to a normal person.
otherwise sound generated deafness is a very gradual slow process which can take anywhere from 3 weeks to 3 decades to be detected. the effect of noise also depends upon genetic / physiological / environmental status of individual person which varies.
Lastly :
to all who believe themselves optimistic or different thinker, its your way of thinking but precaution always pays.
chic_magnet said:
@chic magnet :
if the damage in your ears is still at reversible stage yes you can get back that ability but with a lot of care and avoiding loud noise for a long period of time. but such lucky people are very few. its nice if you happen to be one :hap2:
other thing is your hearing acuity is same but your understanding of conversation and sound has changed / you put more attention / you start to look for lip reading.
try a test : listen to tv for sometime looking at it and then turn your back to tv and then try. if you comprehend well both ways you are in a good position otherwise you have to start preserving whatever hearing you have.
I absolutely concur with Doc's & Zhop's view - lets not speculate - this is serious stuff and the least we can do is take precautions - ultimately its every individual's choice but justifying our ignorance of the issue with phrases like lets live to the fullest etc wouldn't do us any good nor do justice to anyone who happens to be reading this thread & heeds to your advise.
As they say 'Ignorance is Bliss' - now how blissful you guys want to be is all in your hands
hyeah:
As they say 'Ignorance is Bliss' - now how blissful you guys want to be is all in your hands
hyeah:
found some info usefull to all here.
in the image look at the noiise level of concert and headphones almost equal to a diesel locomotive.
Noise Induced Hearing Loss.
in the image look at the noiise level of concert and headphones almost equal to a diesel locomotive.
Noise Induced Hearing Loss.
RiO said:No comments for you medpal... from your reply I see you've taken major offence here. That wasn't my intention at all, have a beer and cool down... maybe we'll chat up tomorrow, I've got a damn rig to set up now
no way i have taken any offence or i have suffered any bad feeling about you man. cheer up :hap2:
this is just a scientific discussion and science just not mix up with carefree approach so i was just a little aggressive. :tongue:
btw i live in dry state and personally i do not drink :bleh: :bleh: :bleh: so you can enjoy on behalf of me.
I have been to a couple of Bryan Adams concerts....and the volume is loud...but it aint so loud as to make you cover ur ears....so such a stimulus proabably takes a very long period to cause an appreciable hearing loss...
Besides i am sure no musician wants to ruin his career by publically announcing that they have developed a hearing deficit due to music!!!!
besides imagine directly blaring loud music onto ur ear-drums...thats surely gonna accelerate the damage process...and u proabably wont even realise it...one of the most common symptoms u might come across is...taskin ppl to repeat words or sentences when in a conversation...always needing a high volume when watchin tv or listenin to music...
They are just come tell-tale signs....
Anyways....Prevention is always better than Cure(was in PSM till last month)....
medpal said:
Please don't insult my intelligence dude... no need to get aggressive and then say you took no offence. At no point did I imply your posts were fruity-textbook answers you mugged for an exam or test, so hold your tongue before you call my opinions or outlook on life, care-free. People have different opinions, deal with it - don't waltz around like mr.goody-two-shoes trying to judge people and waving around your qualifications. IMO, a person's ethics represent their qualification/s and you need a few lessons on that.
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