Adani group, an Evil corp?

I do not have the guardrails you seem to have when thinking about these things.
Wow, my sweet summer child..:D, inevitable in chronic nepotistic form of capitalism, guard rails tends to slip away...:p
We all know it's difficult to wake up those who pretend to sleep, but It's all good in case at least one start questioning in a rational and reasonable way.
Or if they know that others can, even if they themselves are incapable of.
Crony capitalism is a necessary but not sufficient condition for doing what an Adani does
Disdain crony capitalism here due to multitude of obvious reasons, which is does not require explanation.
Even if that is inevitable in your books, risk of putting all eggs in one basket should've been avoided. But no, it have to be this way (a way which needs lot of explanations). But what is happening here is beyond chronic level nepotism.
. I also have clarity on the fact that this is 'amoral', which puts it beyond the grasp of most people who can't imagine operating out of that framework. Once you start seeing things this way, it's hard for me to subscribe to the sort of view you have- a simplistic explanation for complex things.
Probably, being 'vishwakuru' side effects. Not into falling for mirages or maayaleelas by smoking biased political chillum. Prefer to be Agnostic to politics here, so no friends and don't want enemies too.
 
And how do you define this is India's interests? And just for the sake of discussion don't put comment involving "US, soros and other big countries try to bring down India by bringing down Adani".
Geopolitical advantage. To secure our borders, integrity, economy et al. If you don't think these are fronts on which we face threats, I understand why you think all this is ooga-booga.

If Adani is useful to that end, I'm a fan. If he's not, he should be thrown under the bus and discarded, as I'm sure any govt would do once they realize he brings no value.
Wow, my sweet summer child..:D, inevitable in chronic nepotistic form of capitalism, guard rails tends to slip away...:p
We all know it's difficult to wake up those who pretend to sleep, but It's all good in case at least one start questioning in a rational and reasonable way.
Or if they know that others can, even if they themselves are incapable of.

Disdain crony capitalism here due to multitude of obvious reasons, which is does not required explanation.
Even if that is inevitable in your books, risk of putting all eggs in one basket should've been avoided. But no, it have to be this way (a way which needs lot of explanations). But what is happening here is beyond chronic level nepotism.

Probably, being 'vishwakuru' side effects. Not into falling for mirages or maayaleelas by smoking one-sided political chillum. Prefer to be Agnostic to politics here, so no friends and don't want enemies too.
Yes, I do think you're incapable of it, though I don't like using those very colourful descriptors you do as they take away from the point.

And 'vishwaguru' is a valid aspiration. But you ridicule it because you're probably misunderstanding what it means. It's another word for 'soft power' and once we have enough hard power (economic and military heft), it will add to our soft power by allowing us to influence policy in countries beyond our geographical field of influence (which is currently just the subcontinent and a few smaller countries around it). You're probably confusing 'influence' with 'domination'. We'll never be as powerful to 'dominate', but in a multipolar world, we can be powerful enough to dominate an 'influential' bloc/grouping.
 
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Geopolitical advantage. To secure our borders, integrity, economy et al. If you don't think these are fronts on which we face threats, I understand why you think all this is ooga-booga.
It can be done by several corporations, no need to be a single corporation alone, risks can be distributed and mitigated by this way. Who deployed them as the sole non-questionable guardians of the nation ?
If he's not, he should be thrown under the bus and discarded,
How many times allegations came up and how many times they alone have to be protected ?
Do they exist to protect nation's interest, or they exist to be protected by the nation ?
as I'm sure any govt would do once they realize he brings no value.
Keep dreaming.
Yes, I do think you're incapable of it, though I don't like using those very colourful descriptors you do as they take away from the point.
At least, my thinking guard rails didn't fall off, neither my intends are corrupt. As far as thinking capability is concerned, yeah, mine is colorful without smoking mirage of political chillum as posted earlier... :p
Not wanting national and geo-political risk to be concentrated on the tip of a single corpn with multitude of murky allegations, that is all.
But you ridicule it because you're probably misunderstanding what it means
Ridiculed because it is failing due to nepotism, inefficiency and shallow thinking, the idea is very good but during execution guard rails is falling off.
We'll never be as powerful to 'dominate', but in a multipolar world, we can be powerful enough to dominate an 'influential' bloc/grouping.
Understand that, by Adani is not sole phalanx to execute that.
 
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It can be done by several corporations, no need to be a single corporation alone, risks can be distributed and mitigated by this way. Who deployed them as the sole non-questionable guardians of the nation ?

How many times allegations came up and how many times they alone have to be protected ?
Do they exist to protect nation's interest, or they exist to be protected by the nation ?

Keep dreaming.
This is what I meant when I said crony capitalism is not a sufficient condition. Few conglomerates have the execution ability that Adani does. It's similar to how few have the execution ability of an Ambani when it comes to grand projects he takes up. There's a reason 'factor markets' is an established theory in economics.

If the allegations are geopolitically motivated, keep protecting (as any govt in the world would do).

Dreaming is for those asleep. The day he is a drag on the country's interests, he'll be discarded, as it should be.
At least, my thinking guard rails didn't fall off, neither my intends are corrupt. As far as thinking capability is concerned, yeah, mine is colorful without smoking mirage of political chillum as posted earlier... :p
Not wanting national and geo-political risk to be concentrated on the tip of a single corpn with multitude of murky allegations, that is all.
That's okay. It's like the first time I stepped into a large factory, my mind couldn't wrap around the scale of things. What I assumed to be one thing in the micro, turned out different in the macro. Multivariate systems are like that, they mess with your reasoning and worldview.
Ridiculed because it is failing due to nepotism, inefficiency and shallow thinking, the idea is very good but during execution guard rails is falling off.
No, we're doing good, given our constraints. We'd be much better when we're at $10k per capita GDP (nominal). We can buy out these malcontents.

Understand that, by Adani is not sole phalanx to execute that.
I agree. We should have 10 Adanis, like the US did at the turn of the 19th century. Their gilded age was made by these crony capitalists.

Anyway, good chat, minus the barbs from fellow members. Gotta prep for my stand-up, see ya'll.
 
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This is what I meant when I said crony capitalism is not a sufficient condition
Then why you are acting so naive and trying to support it ?
Few conglomerates have the execution ability that Adani does
Because Adani are not curtailed unlike others, rather awarded with tremendous debt and they only are supplanted and allowed that power.
If the allegations are geopolitically motivated, keep protecting (as any govt in the world would do).
Yes, keep on protecting a single corpn, which in your own books:
This is what I meant when I said crony capitalism is not a sufficient condition.
I share your opinion here:
Dreaming is for those asleep. The day he is a drag on the country's interests, he'll be discarded, as it should be.
So, keep dreaming.
Hint for short awakening: country's huge debt is owned by him, his own interests is now country's interest. Any risk faced by him is a collateral damage to the country. Protecting him is now country's geo-political macro level risk already. Guess how naive Indians got played into this due to vishagurus and political chillum smokers..
It's like the first time I stepped into a large factory, my mind couldn't wrap around the scale of things. What I assumed to be one thing in the micro, turned out different in the macro.
Seeing enough factories will change your aptitude.
Multivariate systems are like that, they mess with your reasoning and worldview.
Part of how to be a vishaguru too, having lot of trump cards will let you pay your chances well and win other countries, unlike whats happening now. Reason why you need to diversify risks.
 
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Citing the US federal prosecutor's indictment, Malviya said the states where government officials were paid bribes allegedly by the Adani Group were Odisha, Tamil Nadu, Chhattisgarh and Andhra Pradesh between July 2021 and February 2022. All these were ruled by opposition parties.

"All the States mentioned here were Opposition ruled during that time. So, before you pontificate, answer on the bribes the Congress and its allies accepted," he said. read more
 
Doesnt seem like an Evil corp, its similar to other big croporation in this country. Is big now in India so faces a lot of backlash, I am not saying they are the best out there, but for any corp to become as big it has, has to make a deal with the devil and they probably did as well.
 
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Citing the US federal prosecutor's indictment, Malviya said the states where government officials were paid bribes allegedly by the Adani Group were Odisha, Tamil Nadu, Chhattisgarh and Andhra Pradesh between July 2021 and February 2022. All these were ruled by opposition parties.

"All the States mentioned here were Opposition ruled during that time. So, before you pontificate, answer on the bribes the Congress and its allies accepted," he said. read more
Good if proven. Atleast then people won't support adani as national interest.
 
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Hope this help Indians to wake up from sleepy slumber.



^^Wonder why India as a country have to hear this music ?

Writ filed challenging legality of power deal with Adani, in Bangladesh
Note that they have huge amounts in arrears.

My earlier comments:
Disdain crony capitalism here due to multitude of obvious reasons, which is does not require explanation.
Even if that is inevitable in your books, risk of putting all eggs in one basket should've been avoided.
Who knows what more is in the store.
 
^^ In the above meme, replace bottom rhino with Adani, top rhino with SEC.
The human with camera as naive or not-so-naive pro-modanis.
Reality is more funny, right ?
Because whatever happens in their country, NASA, pentagon, etc. are silently allowed humungus affluence so as to keep their super power dynamics. So, budget concerns are nothing new, it happens every year.
For them, Adani is merely just a squash-able fly which can be exploited to stay alive there, all the while in India Adani is a nepotistic behemoth which influence lot of things from economy to geo-political dynamics.
To be this naive.
 
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