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psyph3r said:
of course u cant see much difference when the 555be is unlocked because it is literally a 955 with 2 cores locked.
6890 i havent read about anywhere can u post a link, maybe u meant the 69xx series based off cayman cause barts (68xx) is still present in 2 iterations afaik.

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waah u are judging performance on a mythical product. too good. links to 6890 or gtfo
That's twice in this thread i have to tell you to check your facts.
Cant find the link can you :D , oh wait you troll'ed with a 6870 review link and ran away
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if you knew english... you would have noticed i mentioned 6870 before posting its link. and even before the 6xxx series came out, it was a myth right?

lol and sorry i meant 69** HAHA. got messed up in the typo.
 
de.das.dude said:
if you knew english... you would have noticed i mentioned 6870 before posting its link. and even before the 6xxx series came out, it was a myth right?

lol and sorry i meant 69** HAHA. got messed up in the typo.
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lol it wasnt a myth, people knew of the cards long before it came out including how it was going to be named.

Typo..? yeah right
 
well when we first heard amds gonna introduce a 6 series most of us thought it was bluff. and even still now they say that 5770 has been rebranded as one of the 6 series.
 
What is the use in introducing new series of cards without any major improvement,I just want to know when will we see cards (around 10K price) play almost all the games 60fps average at 1080p / max AA/AF :S
 
Aman27deep said:
probably not.
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no no it's definitely 28nm. Global Foundries is already up to task, they are doing AMD's 32nm SOI and 28nm High-K processes slated Q2-Q3 next year, around the HD7000 time and BULLDOZER, Llano time.
 
rajuwaste said:
What is the use in introducing new series of cards without any major improvement,I just want to know when will we see cards (around 10K price) play almost all the games 60fps average at 1080p / max AA/AF :S
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Dude, such cards are already there. Buy any high end card from Nvidia or AMD. It will play "almost" all the games at 60fps. There will always be a handful of exceptions. But, current gen games dont really need that much hardware. If you are a PC Gamer on budget, this has to one of the best times. Relatively powerful hardware is available at not very expensive prices and PC games in India are dirt cheap even on release date. Only problem is when some games never get released for PC at all (like RDR :'( ) and sometimes the ports arent really good performance/control wise.
 
@izzner: It screwed up nothing... technically, the naming scheme is not changed, but shifted.

So...

Instead of *8** (eg. 5800) series, now the *9** (eg. 6900) series will be high-end cards.

Instead of *7** (eg. 5700) series, now the *8** (eg. 6800) series will be mid-end cards.

6990 will be the replacement of 5970 (Dual GPU, Antilles chip).

6970 will be the replacement of 5870 (Cayman XT).

6950 will be the replacement of 5850 (Cayman Pro).

Hope that clears your doubt.
 
iGo said:
@izzner: It screwed up nothing... technically, the naming scheme is not changed, but shifted.

So...
Instead of *8** (eg. 5800) series, now the *9** (eg. 6900) series will be high-end cards.
Instead of *7** (eg. 5700) series, now the *8** (eg. 6800) series will be mid-end cards.

6990 will be the replacement of 5970 (Dual GPU, Antilles chip).
6970 will be the replacement of 5870 (Cayman XT).
6950 will be the replacement of 5850 (Cayman Pro).

Hope that clears your doubt.
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but then why is a 6850 lesser performing card than 5850

logically 5850 is from the 5xxx series & it shud be out performed by the same card from the 6xxx series i.e 6850

but the 5850 is outperformed by the 6870 ............>>>???:mad:
 
@izzner: Dude... as I said, it's a "SHIFT" not change.

So previously 5850 and 5870 were high-end cards and 5970 was ultra-high-end / flagship card, these will be replaced by new high-ends, a la 6950 and 6970 respectively for high-end and 6990 for ultra-high-end / flagship.

Similarly, 5770 and 5750 were mid-end cards, which got replaced by new 6850 and 6870 respectively.

izzner said:
logically 5850 is from the 5xxx series & it shud be out performed by the same card from the 6xxx series i.e 6850
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See, the part you bolden in my quote... 6850 chip is NOT the same grade chip as 5850. The 5850 grade equivalent would be 6950 according to new model number shift. So there is nothing wrong with 6850 not outperforming 5850. The only wrong thing about it is that, despite being explained you're not understanding the new name shift.

In that respect, 6870 (which is 5770's successor) is a great card... unless of-course you still fail to understand the "shift" in the name. The whole series has been shifted by 100 point grade, where now x900 represents high-end (previously x800) and x800 represents mid-end (previously x700).

I had explained the reason in another thread, so instead of writing it here again, I'll simply quote myself :

iGo in 6850 and 6870 reviews thread said:
I'm sort of surprised that nobody is seeing AMD's endgame with the new naming.

There is a very valid and logical reason behind the new naming change for Radeon cards... if you notice, AMD is not going to introduce 6700 series cards, at least none are mentioned in roadmap. But current 5700 cards will still continue. So AMD's Radeon lineup is going to look something like this....

Top end (Dual GPU): Antilles (6990 or 6970X2 probably?)

Top end (Single GPU): Cayman (6970 & 6950 - effectively successor to current 5870 and 5850 respectively)

Mid-high end: Barts (6870 & 6850 - effectively successor to current 5770 and 5750 respectively)

Mid-low end: Juniper (current 5770 and 5750, maybe sometime in future this area will be filled with same generation chips with HD7000 series)

Now the low end spectrum and entry level spectrum is eventually going to die down. Why? what will replace it? Simple... AMD's fusion chips. Top-tier Fusions chips are going to offer you 5600-like performance with on-processor GPU. Onboard GPU's have huge market compared to low-end discreet GPUs and AMD needs the fusion GPUs to align properly with current GPU offerings so the naming change/shift was required to achieve that. I think the new naming convention will come full circle with HD7000 series where all market segments from Top End to Mid-low End will be occupied with same generation chip along with fusion chips also using HD7000 architecture.

While I agree, that for most of the end user this is going to create confusion... and for some folks even bit of disappointment (when they find that 6870 isn't faster than 5870). I think, AMD should have launched the Barts and Cayman SKUs with even smaller time gap but then again from sales perspective AMD would have wanted to 6800/Barts cards to achieve enough sales momentum. Also, probably to generate enough speculations about Cayman's performance. It's a good marketing nevertheless, even if it's slightly deceiving.
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There was only one slight mistake in my quote above, which is, that I for some reason completely forgot about Caicos parts. Caicos parts will supposedly consist of new lower-mid-end spectrum, a la 6700 parts (current 5650 and 5670 cards).
 
Forget cards below 6850 ....

Right now -- 6850 < 5850 < 6870 < 5870 < 5970 < 6970

After the "shift" -- 6850 < 6950 < 6870 < 6970 < 6990

6850 - Entry Mid End ? o_O

6950 - Perfect Mid end

6870 - Entry to Hi end

6970 - Perfect Hi end

6990 - Enthusiast level

Am I right ? Please correct me if Im wrong. Im in a web of confusion :death:
 
^One correction, I think 6950 will be better than 6870.

6950 is replacing 5850 and 6870 replaces 5770. 5850 is way better than 5770. By that analogy, 6950 should be way better than 6870.
 
The order will be as following

6850 - Entry to Lower Mid End

6870 - Lower Mid end

6950 - Mid end

6970 - Upper Mid End

6990 - High End

AMD doesn't have any Single card Ultra High end series and even nVidia don't seem to have one starting with the GTX4xx series. Sometimes people also have doubts why a AMD dual GPU card is considered high end and not ultra high end. This is because AMD has changed strategy and they no longer design high end chips. they try to design a perfect mid range GPUs and their strategy is to combine two of them to get their high end while in contrast nVidia is still designing discrete high end GPU's. So HD4870X2 is competition for GTX280, HD5970 is competition for GTX480 and HD6990 will the high end corresponding to GTX580.

In a way the 6990 corresponds to the XTX (ATi) and GTX (nVidia) and 6970/50 are like the XT(ATi) and GT(nVida) of yester years. The prices will be in correspondence like the GTX/XTX used to cost between 30~40k and the XT/GT series used to cost between 20~25k. So regardless of the changes in nomenclature the prices are also in correspondence.
 
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