Hey I started that "GF" thingy...dammit I wanna trademark on that one :bleh: but seriously @ ddr 800 4-4-4-12 timings are good...only problem is the extra bandwidth has to be utilized and very few apps would do that...Rahul said:c'on GF its not like DDR is ours and DDR2 is urs..... we are talking about timings and u have to accept it that its timings sucks ...... its it better to run it at 300Mhz with tighter timings rather than 400Mhz ......
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Rahul
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^^ that is theoretical calculation ....... just run everest benchmark and see the bandwidth...... anyways i am not convienced with the high bandwidth intel processors ....... AMD have 1000Mhz hyper transport but even u reduce it to 200Mhz there is no major performance drop coz the full bandwidth is not utilized ...... anyways show me any benchmark where u can get performance enhancement coz of that bandwidth ....
PS:- i was never convienced with intel ..... my last intel was a pentium 2 i think ...... so i maybe biased towards AMD
PS:- i was never convienced with intel ..... my last intel was a pentium 2 i think ...... so i maybe biased towards AMD
@ Rahul, I know timings sucks man. But AMD Opteron server are selling like HOT Cakes and that's the reason why HIGH Freq DDR2 with low Volts are good (Less Power Consumed= Less Heat, think when you take hundreads of CPUs and same or more amount of Modules for Enterprise). So it is not us (da average buyer) for whom AMD is going DDR2, its for those who are making them Big Bucks = COMPANIES BUYING 8-96 CPU servers...
@ Goldie, Patriots are superb for that speed, less then $270 as of now @ ZZF.
As for the timings, See I think X-Bit Labs and LostCircuits DDR2 reviews/articles are good genral info about whats happening. No, I am not saying that all of you guys dont know.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ddr2-ddr.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ddr2-oc1ghz.html
http://www.lostcircuits.com/memory/ddrii/
http://www.lostcircuits.com/memory/ddr3/
Secondly, there are always chances of products being made out of no where if demand is there. I mean Officially DDR400 was to be BGA only, TSOP was not capable to handle those high frequency. But not only makers made products which did it in style... they had those chips do more then it required to (TTCD, D43, BH-5). Same thing can happen with DDR2+AMD. No 2-2-2-5 is not possible but 4-3-3-8 or some thing can be worked out for DDR2-800. You never know!!!
@ Goldie, Patriots are superb for that speed, less then $270 as of now @ ZZF.
As for the timings, See I think X-Bit Labs and LostCircuits DDR2 reviews/articles are good genral info about whats happening. No, I am not saying that all of you guys dont know.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ddr2-ddr.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ddr2-oc1ghz.html
http://www.lostcircuits.com/memory/ddrii/
http://www.lostcircuits.com/memory/ddr3/
Secondly, there are always chances of products being made out of no where if demand is there. I mean Officially DDR400 was to be BGA only, TSOP was not capable to handle those high frequency. But not only makers made products which did it in style... they had those chips do more then it required to (TTCD, D43, BH-5). Same thing can happen with DDR2+AMD. No 2-2-2-5 is not possible but 4-3-3-8 or some thing can be worked out for DDR2-800. You never know!!!
Well Goldie, I stumbled upon this while surfing.
MSI ready with AM2 (NForce) board. Don't have a clue what is happening with AM2 :S
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29451
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1108517
Board is ready to roll with Black PCB and slots and looks to be Finalised board.
MSI ready with AM2 (NForce) board. Don't have a clue what is happening with AM2 :S
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29451
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1108517
Board is ready to roll with Black PCB and slots and looks to be Finalised board.
amd seems to have sent major motherboard makers m2 socket processor samples some time back an asus spokesperson had confirmed that they recieved test samples ranging at 2.4-2.6 ghz. so to me it seems amd is ready to launch M2 on time unless it wants to wait deliberately.So asus msi gigabyte may already be getting the boards ready for launch.
An old article so u guys must have read it here is the link anyway.
http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2646&p=1
An old article so u guys must have read it here is the link anyway.
http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2646&p=1
Check this out AMD Socket M2 Nvidia based MSI K9N Platinum motherboard with pictures 
http://www.techenclave.com/forums/amd-socket-m2-leds-lumen-per-66473.html
http://www.techenclave.com/forums/amd-socket-m2-leds-lumen-per-66473.html
Hi all,
Noob here. So some things which I spell out u guys might know or my info. is wrong but it would be great to know whatever is right.
AFAIK DDR2 starts giving better info. after 667 DDR2 barrier. The only places where I see demand for such heavy memory utilization are video & audio creation,databases & Real-time Service oriented Architecture based software like MSOffice12 or something similar. Of course not to forget all the eye-candy & performance which would be needed by Vista.
I'm sure you guys know how the memory people have monopolized, I think Samsung as well as Hynix were penalized by the Trade Commission in the US which came to something like 2% or something of their turn-over. This was well publicized in slashdot as well as digg quite sometime back.
What I'm curious though is about the new M2 socket, apart from DDR2/3 what is going to be happening in the graphics dept. Anybody has any news. Also from whatever I've heard the pin count is going to be raised to something like 1012 or something. If somebody knows something better plz. let me know.
Noob here. So some things which I spell out u guys might know or my info. is wrong but it would be great to know whatever is right.
AFAIK DDR2 starts giving better info. after 667 DDR2 barrier. The only places where I see demand for such heavy memory utilization are video & audio creation,databases & Real-time Service oriented Architecture based software like MSOffice12 or something similar. Of course not to forget all the eye-candy & performance which would be needed by Vista.
I'm sure you guys know how the memory people have monopolized, I think Samsung as well as Hynix were penalized by the Trade Commission in the US which came to something like 2% or something of their turn-over. This was well publicized in slashdot as well as digg quite sometime back.
What I'm curious though is about the new M2 socket, apart from DDR2/3 what is going to be happening in the graphics dept. Anybody has any news. Also from whatever I've heard the pin count is going to be raised to something like 1012 or something. If somebody knows something better plz. let me know.
The Pin count on the AM2 Socket is 940. But its like Intel's LGA. the Pins are on the board, so you cant use old 940 Socket proccessors.
The graphics departmant has nuthin to offer until the release of Windows Vista, as with Windows Vista, MS is bringing DirectX 10. The new Shader Model 4.0 will also be released at that time. The g80 / r6** series will have these features.
Other than that. The latest card youll see till the G80/R6** is the 7900 Series which is due March.
The graphics departmant has nuthin to offer until the release of Windows Vista, as with Windows Vista, MS is bringing DirectX 10. The new Shader Model 4.0 will also be released at that time. The g80 / r6** series will have these features.
Other than that. The latest card youll see till the G80/R6** is the 7900 Series which is due March.
m2 / dx 10 / sm 4.0 ugh!!
Rahul
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Harshal said:
u are absolutely right buddy ..... but still AMD can go for DDR2 for the servers (like the opetraons were really different CPUs till now) ...... i am not in favour for DDR2 coz its performance is not worth the price we have to pay for it ..... anyways its just my opinion ...... i know DDR2 can come with faster timings and i am not saying that AMD sud always stuck with DDR there will be time when they have to move on with new tecnology but i wanted to say that this is not the correct time to go DDR2 anyways lets see wat happens ...... anyways i will be with 939 for more than 1 year i guess before going AM2
@ Rahul, I know that it should be best to keep things away and different like intel has it. But AMD with just Fab30 will have a tough time to balance out productions of say A64/X2/FX-DDR3 (small numbers) and Opterons with DDR2.
The answer is Low Latency, with super tweaked Memory Controller. Intel's version, tho the best they can juice out of there MCH with DDR2, sucks. AMD's are different path with on die version. We can see a different DDR2 performance (I am no pro, but 10-15% higher is good) if they have done the job right. They may have a winner in their hands errr.....Labs
The answer is Low Latency, with super tweaked Memory Controller. Intel's version, tho the best they can juice out of there MCH with DDR2, sucks. AMD's are different path with on die version. We can see a different DDR2 performance (I am no pro, but 10-15% higher is good) if they have done the job right. They may have a winner in their hands errr.....Labs
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