CPU/Mobo Asus Socket AM2 Mobos in India

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Harshal said:
I doubt abt ASUS quality going down... I mean Did u see Shamino's Crazy DDR2 Clock thread by Quad?? and what he do.. just a pencil mod to get more Volts for RAM and that proves that boards are still good with ready to shatter the barriors of performace.
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LOL Harshal overclocking performance for a few records doesn't equate to 100% stability while running 24x7. The boards still overclock incredibly well but the number of asus boards having trouble seems to have increased exponentially compared to say when pentium 3s and early pentium 4 chips were around. The Asus CuBX was one hell of a board at that time but since then, I've had nothing but trouble with asus.
 
Raghunandan said:
Games arent the only things people do on their comp :P and can you substantiate the 35%. And they have lower TDP cuz of lesser cache and they have always clocked higher. With X2 3800+ eventually selling at about $170 from next month (conroe release price drop) its much better to save fr the DC rather than spend on the single cores.

Raghu.
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LOL both have exactly the same TDP... 62W for normal processors and 35W for energy efficient ones :P. If its not for gaming, I'd rather buy a socket 754 sempron 2500+ and not AM2 for sure :P. Why waste cash on AM2 when even a 2500+ will run office apps fine. Socket AM2 2800+ runs at 1.6GHz and the 3000+ A64 runs at 1.8GHz but the former has just 128K cache while the latter has 512K cache. Games love cash... simple fact of life. Here are the benches of a 3000+ sempy so 2800+ will be even slower.

X-bit labs - Articles - A Secret Disclosed: AMD Sempron 3000+ for Socket 939 Review (page 8)
 
AM2 offers an upgrade path to X2 thats not present on the 754 and is also future proof with DDR2. Thats the reason 939 was succesful over the 754 socket. If AMD made X2 for the 754 im sure a lot less people would have bought the 939.

And from the benchmarks where is the 40% performance drop. I see less than 10% on most benchmarks (except as i said the games which are around 25% in the benchmarks u have given). Now with greater bandwidth on DDR2 the cache will matter less than on the 939 platform.

Raghu.
 
^^ LOL someone who whats to upgrade to X2 and buy AM2 is gotta be mad when you can get a cheaper socket 939 opteron 165 that'll be the same performance as the AM2 counterparts for cheaper. As I said before, the only reason to buy high end is gaming/professional apps and in that the sempron gets trashed badly. AM2 ain't very future proof as you seem to think with newer LGA style AMD sockets appearing as soon as next year. In fact AM2 is more or less dead on arrival. As for the people with more brains, they'll get conroe :P.
 
yep conroe is on everyone's upgrade path at the moment.

OT: amd's 4X4 platform is a dual socket platform so does that mean that ppl may have to shell out money for 2 licenses for OS?
 
Yes chaos. People will most likely wait for the conroe. But then there are some who are in need of a comp and cant wait till its release (likely to be in august to the retail market. july 23rd is for oems). My point was to say that if u are buying AM2 now get the sempron or the X2. Either skimp or go all out.

AM3 has been known for quite some time with the LGA socket. And K8L is gonna release on AM2? If it is, that should be a good enough upgrade path for AM2.

The license issue still hasnt been cleared. Microsoft does seem to think that you need 2 licenses to run it on the 4x4.

Raghu.
 
Well AM2 mobos are gonna cost a bomb as of now and the cost difference between a sempron and a64 is insignificant compared to the cost of a decent mobo. The Asus M2N32 whatever is selling for nearly 250$+ and any cheap mobos are hard to find. Makes zero sense to pair a sempron with costly ddr2 and an atrociously priced mobo IMHO.
 
Chaos said:
^^Their high end board quality has gone down as well... why else has ur a8n32 died twice otherwise ;).
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Uhhh ?? well i dont say Asus has achieved perfection.If i say so,then your statement stands valid.There is always a chance that there is a bad piece,isnt it ?

Didn't something happen similar to your Ultra-D ? Atleast my Asus didnt give problems from the beginning.Also it was rock stable at extreme OCs.

And the first time it died wasnt because of build quality,something was spilt on the DRAM VR IC area.I found that out later.

THis time around i donno whats gone wrong but its the same thing happening again.

Anyways my point is their majority value boards are made in China nad there is enough possibility of these ones being problematic pieces.

Whenever Asus comes out with a new High End board ,it is made in Taiwan,only later on are these boards made in China.

Also i have used a lot of Asus boards,both high and low end and havent experienced any major hiccups excluding a few.

I hope you get my point.
 
Well there you go.....

As per your own statements,DFI is far better than Asus in terms of build quality.

Then how come it was DOA ???????

HOw how ??
 
Darklord said:
Well there you go.....
As per your own statements,DFI is far better than Asus in terms of build quality.
Then how come it was DOA ???????
HOw how ??
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LOL one DOA board doesn't prove anything. You want me to count the number of problematic asus boards i've had. Also don't get me started on their pathetic after sales service. Two high end a8n32 boards dying with the same issue does raise questions though :P. Anyway I ain't preaching DFI here... just saying that asus quality has degraded thats it.
 
Chaos said:
LOL one DOA board doesn't prove anything. You want me to count the number of problematic asus boards i've had. Also don't get me started on their pathetic after sales service. Two high end a8n32 boards dying with the same issue does raise questions though :P. Anyway I ain't preaching DFI here... just saying that asus quality has degraded thats it.
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Well yours isn the only case buddy.There have been numerous cases of DOA and SDS for DFI.Well if thats the case,you want me to count the number of Non Problematic boards i have used till now ? 2 High A8N32 ????? I got it repaired,i didnt get a replacement if you are talking about my case.No one is preaching any company...lo,what made you think so ?;)
 
DFI boards dying cos of SDS have mainly been cos of inadequate cooling to VRMs with the 5V jumper. Fact is asus boards will have similar issues if such insane voltages are pushed thru it as well. SDS happens on many many extreme overclocking boards. It was an issue on abit K7 mobos as well. Asus AMD mobos are hardly ever used for extreme overclocking cos they are not physically capable and hence we dont see any SDS on them. Asus intel mobos seem to be much more solidly built than AMD. I have to agree to that.
 
Chaos said:
LOL both have exactly the same TDP... 62W for normal processors and 35W for energy efficient ones
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AMD publishes maximum power outputs for each type of core. Does the above mean the reduced cache does not reduce the power output? AMD rates all the proccies on similar cores and speeds at same TDP. For example it rates the sempron and athlon 3000+ and 3400+ at same TDP, but we all know that faster proccies and those with more cache create greater heat. A sempron generates lesser heat for the same core size as the athlon. They do run cooler. If they have the same TDP how do you explain the fact that they run at lower temps??

Chaos said:
Well AM2 mobos are gonna cost a bomb as of now and the cost difference between a sempron and a64 is insignificant compared to the cost of a decent mobo. The Asus M2N32 whatever is selling for nearly 250$+ and any cheap mobos are hard to find. Makes zero sense to pair a sempron with costly ddr2 and an atrociously priced mobo IMHO.
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They dont cost a bomb because nothing much has changed on the motherboard from 939. Newegg tells me the prices are almost the same on the budget side, especially the spectacular Biostar TForce. DDR2 is as cheap as DDR1 even in India, and in the US its actually cheaper.

Yes and its rather true that ASUS is falling in quality. Or that their service centres in India are poor. Had bad experiences with their service here in chennai.

Raghu.
 
It seems their local service is bad.Even i have sent the same board for repairs for the same damn problem.
 
Well from what i've seen in reviews and stuff of the ASUS 590 SLI....the Foxconn seems better. ASUS has some problems.......the quality is just not the same any more.....:(

As for DFI.......when in the name of GOD are they gonna release their boards????:huh: I've seen pics and stuff of it but where's the real thing?? anyone know any release dates????????:huh: :huh:

The only gud thing abt ASUS's board....and something that was different...was the heat pipes and the wireless without using a PCI slots(specially considering that after you go SLI...only one is left:( ....so it'll be a choice between a sound card a network card or for some of the more extreme guys out there...a Physx card...:hap2: )

In that respect DFI is better with the 3rd PCI slot....but still......NO DARN RELEASE DATE:( :huh:

I just hope they don't hold back their Conroe boards (the 590 SLI INTEL edition) this long
 
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