Graphic Cards ATI Doesn’t Have an Answer to GTX 295
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muzux2
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looks like ATI is not considering GTX 295 threat to HD4870X2.. had so, they would have dropped the prices of X2 even a week before.. further, GTX 295 is not a X2 killer at all..
hyeah: we have not seen full throttle of GTX 295 apart from those four Handpicked games that Nvidia chooses for preview.
ATI might come surprise with Catalyst 9.1, to boost performance on X2 that might be enough to beat GTX 295..It could be the reason ATI hasn't yet dropped prices on X2hyeah: & it seems they have something up in their sleeves, hope it's so..
hyeah: we have not seen full throttle of GTX 295 apart from those four Handpicked games that Nvidia chooses for preview.ATI might come surprise with Catalyst 9.1, to boost performance on X2 that might be enough to beat GTX 295..It could be the reason ATI hasn't yet dropped prices on X2
hyeah: & it seems they have something up in their sleeves, hope it's so..
What is worse, NVDA's Dx10.1 denial... they are just harping its not worth it, making sure no game developers utilize the tech, but went as far removing it from Assasins creed...
Nvidia's GTX 2xx was a farce, no matter how you look at it. Its certainly no 8800GT in terms of innovation or vfm...
Nvidia's GTX 2xx was a farce, no matter how you look at it. Its certainly no 8800GT in terms of innovation or vfm...
muzux2 said:looks like ATI is not considering GTX 295 threat to HD4870X2.. had so, they would have dropped the prices of X2 even a week before.. further, GTX 295 is not a X2 killer at all..
ATI might come surprise with Catalyst 9.1, to boost performance on X2 that might be enough to beat GTX 295..It could be the reason ATI hasn't yet dropped prices on X2
what the hell is wrong with you?
can't you just buy/praise the best instead of these biased statements which are quite irritating, dumb & idiotic
elvesbane
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Aces170 said:
NVIDIA has good reason to downplay DirectX 10.1's importance. Read up on it at wikipedia - as the article indicates, the new specification doesn't introduce any earth-shattering features. It's just a minor improvement which makes the spec stricter.
Calling GTX 2xx a farce is reaaally pushing it. As almost every reputed hardware review site has stated - the revised price structure of the GTX 2xx, especially the 260, brings it onto a level playing field with the ATI alternative. Sure, the GTX 280 lost the performance crown when the X2 came out, but then you can't expect a graphics card to be the best forever, can ya?
And you most certainly cannot expect every graphics card generation to be as revolutionary as the 4850/70 was in terms of price/performance. While leaps of that sort are impressive, it just doesn't work that way (continuously) in the real-world.
End of story.. who has the best card wins..lol..kidding
It doesnt make an earth shattering difference who has the better card at this range. Simple reason being.. who is gonna spend so much? and at a time like this. only people with money to burn will do this.
But as an enthusiast i feel the need for performance increase is necessary.
i do feel Ati has something up their sleeves.. its gonna take a lot for nvidia to make a comeback.
Btw have u guys seen the Sapphire Atomic Edition 4870x2? :O
It doesnt make an earth shattering difference who has the better card at this range. Simple reason being.. who is gonna spend so much? and at a time like this. only people with money to burn will do this.
But as an enthusiast i feel the need for performance increase is necessary.
i do feel Ati has something up their sleeves.. its gonna take a lot for nvidia to make a comeback.
Btw have u guys seen the Sapphire Atomic Edition 4870x2? :O
Good news for nVidia? YES... the sun is shining better for them now.
Bad new for ATi? NO. not so simple.
Who cares... besides people with too much money and need for bragging rights?
ATi doesn't need answer for GTX295 on immediate basis. They will bump up some specs, do some driver tweaks just to show that they are trying hard to counter GTX295... but behind the stage they will be still smiling.
Why? Cause they already have hit where it hurts the most... the mid-range segment, where the money is. So who cares about selling 5 cards costing $500 when you can sell 50 cards costing $200.
Bad new for ATi? NO. not so simple.
Who cares... besides people with too much money and need for bragging rights?
ATi doesn't need answer for GTX295 on immediate basis. They will bump up some specs, do some driver tweaks just to show that they are trying hard to counter GTX295... but behind the stage they will be still smiling.
Why? Cause they already have hit where it hurts the most... the mid-range segment, where the money is. So who cares about selling 5 cards costing $500 when you can sell 50 cards costing $200.
Udit said:
Muzux may be an ATI 'FANatic', but this time he is not entirely wrong.
HTX295 is not a 4870X2 killer. People buying these cards often play at 2560X1600 and at this resolution, coupled with 4AA+16AF, 4870X2 is quite close to GTX295. Of course GTX 295 is faster in almost all games in which Nvidia allowed to the card to be tested during it's Paper launch two weeks ago, but X2 is certain to win Grid and a few other games in full reviews.
But it is also true that once GTX295 is in market, 4870X2 will have to come down by at least $50.
@elvesbane
That DX10.1 is a marginal upgrade is an Nvidia FUD. Remember the horrible performance hit that DX10 games used to take on GeForce 8XXX series cards. That is because there is something in hardware which hinders the performance. AnandTech hinted at it when they reviewed GTX 2XX cards.
And to know why GTX 2XX cards are noting but a stale dish served hot, read this article:
Nvidia GeForce GTX 200 Graphics Architecture Review: Born to Win? (page 18) - X-bit labs
Though I agree that series like 88XX or 48XX comes only in a while
PS: BTW, did you guys read latest 4870 1GB review at Guru 3D. With 8.12 drivers, in most benches it beats 260 (core 216)
elvesbane said:
Certainly wikipedia should not be a source for eleigible information. but this is what it states:
This is where NV takes a hit on its current generation architecture.. hence it is downplaying the importance. Whats worse is that even the only game which supported withdrew it under a controversial decision...
Cmon the company is using its market strength to hinder technological innovation.. Its the old NV again just use brute force approach. And the way I see it, its digging its own grave, the Company is worth a fraction of what it was worth a yr ago, surely not as down trodden as AMD (but AMD is surviving purely because of its graphics division now) Am not an ATI fanboy, but tactics such as these surely pisses me off. Also note I didnt compare the GTX 2xx with 4850/70 but the 8800GT which according to me was a bigger jump in tech even to 4850/70...
manpreetsingh46
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Aces170 said:
the game developers still have to utilize the full potential of Dx10
there is not much of a difference in DX9c and DX 10
how many of you even use vista ? dx10 is only available on vista
muzux2
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Udit said:
i'm praising the best man.. X2 & GTX both are the best.:rofl: i didn't said X2 is GTX 295 killer..:hap5: if you find my posts irratating, you better not reply on my post.. Its a fact GTX 295 isn't X2 killer.. check reviews particularly [H], i've posted in other thread.. To say someone dumb & idiotic is what you are showing that you are an nvidiot..:rofl:
w1nD
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^^relax dude..be little calm and patient ati has still to launch catalyst 9.1.
it must be waiting for this moment of launch of gtx 295 and would have got news about gtx 295 by grapevine..so going by current situation ati not considering 295 as threat would not be completly right nor it would be completly wrong..only time can tell which is best..also for review that has been posted any company will try to present its good and high points only (this is about 4 games) and iirc nvidia was always good for crysis and 3dmark series
it must be waiting for this moment of launch of gtx 295 and would have got news about gtx 295 by grapevine..so going by current situation ati not considering 295 as threat would not be completly right nor it would be completly wrong..only time can tell which is best..also for review that has been posted any company will try to present its good and high points only (this is about 4 games) and iirc nvidia was always good for crysis and 3dmark series
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