Forum Feedback Auction system in TE marketplace
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Yes I had seen that before I started this thread but what I pointed out in that thread was merely a scenario with a pure auction system. We are discussing all the possible pros and cons here.ggt said:
What I am proposing here is not exactly the same. As mentioned earlier as well, I am rooting for the right of a seller to increase the price of the product if he is getting enough interested parties. The person who is willing to pay the most can do so in a specific time frame. Otherwise the right to pay and claim the product goes to the second highest bidder. Or whoever the sellers wants to sell to.
@others - Frankly those who are not interested in the market should not post here at all. As mentioned by eddy earlier you need to replace your mouse if it is automatically scrolling down to the market section. We also have a dedicated "New Tech Posts" button on top. Please use that.
that was just an example of being fair or biased.ggt said:
and by snatch..i was pointing to 1st come 1st get basis..
Let the market be a place for members to offload the extras. The more we facilitate the more will people want to be here for trading.
Just put up an escrow system instead 'like' paypal where people will have an opportunity for disputes.
Making it damn easy to deal on TE will have its toll on the Tech Posts..(there has been already)
The thought that TE will turn into eBay if the market section is improved/changed/new features are added is bullcrap.
Nobody is forcing anybody to use the market, and if certain members are interested in certain tech sections, they will remain interested in them and I see no reason as to why they will stop participating in the forum just because of this and start selling their stuff. TE will keep attracting all kinds of people who are interested in purely tech sections and some who are interested purely in the market section and some who want a bit of both and implementing certain things isn't going to change anything.
Try to understand things better, and what Renegade's first post says is not something that is fixed and will be forced upon members, its for the discussion of its pros and cons and if someone feels something could be added/deleted he may say so. If it aint good, it wont be implemented. Try to atleast have an open mind to things.
Nobody is forcing anybody to use the market, and if certain members are interested in certain tech sections, they will remain interested in them and I see no reason as to why they will stop participating in the forum just because of this and start selling their stuff. TE will keep attracting all kinds of people who are interested in purely tech sections and some who are interested purely in the market section and some who want a bit of both and implementing certain things isn't going to change anything.
Try to understand things better, and what Renegade's first post says is not something that is fixed and will be forced upon members, its for the discussion of its pros and cons and if someone feels something could be added/deleted he may say so. If it aint good, it wont be implemented. Try to atleast have an open mind to things.
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madnav said:
That is prima facie a misconception about the TE Market. Offload the extras?? And how does one define the extras??
I have a cellphone that I want to change to get a better phone. I put up the old phone in the TE Market for Sale. How does that make my phone an extra??
Now, if I have 6-8 phones and don't need 2-3 of those and put them up in the Market, that makes them extras.
And everyone should agree that the prices one can get on the TE Market are far greater than those one can get on dealer buyback.
So, the question of offloading the extras does not arise. If you sell your Atrix here and get xx rupees for it; I can bet that you'll get a much lower price for it on a dealer buyback.
It ultimately boils down to the profit, isn't it? No member of TE would like the Market to be closed for that single reason: Profit!!
And in any case, the TE Market is invisible to non members unlike on E*****. So, it is only when a member signs up that the market is visible to him. Now, it is almost impossible to say that a new member signs up just for the market.
As for the Senior issue, you may give a preferential treatment to the Seniors and that is purely your prerogative. I don't remember seeing any [FS] thread that said that the items would be sold only to senior members. Why is that?? Coz the seller is not bothered who buys it so long as he gets his money!!
And even if some such thread crops up, we should have no issue with it (seller's prerogative). We just find it weird that the so called senior members try to impost themselves on the so called Junior members. Who gave them that right??
If the Mods/Admins do it, it can be understood. They have the higher authority. But the 'senior' members coming to any discussion and making points as if they are the only ones who know what is right (the Chosen Ones!) makes one feel weird. Plus, they keep giving the 'Senior' word again and again. It is pure non sense.
Many of the old members are respected and knowledgeable (and they are not the ones who keep giving this senior nonsense to the new members). They deserve the respect. But there is a difference between 'Deserving' respect and 'Demanding' respect!! :no:
I think the 'Senior' word should be marked as ****** by the system just as it does for the E***** name. :lol:
I'm sure that no one implied that the auction format would be mandatory. What I'm concerned about is, whether genuine buyers will be affected 'coz of a few miscreants. And of course, the additional trouble of moderating and managing failed/improper auctions. A trial run is fine with me.
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I think post no.3 of this thread and the no. of likes received shows the general consensus of members on this auction system, but there is no use of asking/making threads if you have already decided to implement it.
http://www.techenclave.com/feedback...-technology-community-187239.html#post1764902
http://www.techenclave.com/feedback...-technology-community-187239.html#post1764902
Neo-N
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No issues... So be it!! :lol:RS4 said:
BTW, the same member logistopath who had made the Post # 3 has recently posted this:
logistopath said:
And this is what I and many other members feel about the Auction System. It is wiser to learn from experience rather than make up flawed presumptions and sit tight not doing anything.
@nehal
It is not about selling only to senior members.
it is about prioritizing and you may find several threads with such intent.
2ndly,
'extra' can be subjective. your old phone is an extra to you if you have already decided to get another. perception can differ..this was just mine.
Moreover, The market guidelines already have similar info about what Market is intended for.
Lastly,
No body is demanding respect. But some members are peeing all over this thread against seniority and against staff.
The thread is not about that so do not make it about that.
And as others who have been 'Pro' to auction system call it as 'Their opinion'... why not consider the opposite thought as 'an opinion' too ?
It is not about selling only to senior members.
it is about prioritizing and you may find several threads with such intent.
2ndly,
'extra' can be subjective. your old phone is an extra to you if you have already decided to get another. perception can differ..this was just mine.
Moreover, The market guidelines already have similar info about what Market is intended for.
Lastly,
No body is demanding respect. But some members are peeing all over this thread against seniority and against staff.
The thread is not about that so do not make it about that.
And as others who have been 'Pro' to auction system call it as 'Their opinion'... why not consider the opposite thought as 'an opinion' too ?
Neo-N
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madnav said:
Agree that the Senior member talk is OT for this thread. But do you realize that it is one of the so called self proclaimed Senior members who brought up the 'Senior' issue on this thread?
I am not opposed to anyone expressing any opinion. Check this post:
prithivi46 said:
This member joined in May 2010 and has 9 Posts to his credit. No one jumped at his throat for expressing his opinion. He was treated in a fair manner. Despite the fact that he used all Caps which feels kinda like Yelling...
So, where was the need to bring up the Seniority issue to express an opinion?? It was absolutely unnecessary. Plus, it is being held up high by people only coz this is not a one off case.
It happens almost everywhere. The self proclaimed senior members try to pawn and own the newer members. This is what needs to stop.
Seniority should make one wiser and more supportive to the newer members and not a bully or tyrant who tries to dictate and impose his seniority status on the new members. :no:
Can we please forget the "senior" vs "newbie" stuff and discuss objectively here..?
Just to clarify my standing in the last post, I'm very much against the idea of an auction system here, but if many members want to have it, then I think it is only fair that their opinion be respected, and a trial run initiated. One month down the line, let us have another thread like thisP) and then we'll again reiterate our stands or change them.
@nehal: You are taking the word "extras" too literally. In our context here, it just means something you don't have a use for. BTW, I'm sure you'll agree that even though dealer buy back prices are much too low than a sale here in TE, that doesn't mean profit to the seller. If you want to buy a 2nd hand mobile from a dealer, you will be charged much higher than what he took it back for. He gets profit from that deal. However, the same mobile, you can get it for much less from a seller here. Mutual benefit to both seller and buyer, with an intermediate who makes profits being avoided. AND, you can always buy used stuff in communities like these with much more confidence about their condition. THe same cannot be said about buying used stuff from outside.
That is why, TE market is here to stay.
Just to clarify my standing in the last post, I'm very much against the idea of an auction system here, but if many members want to have it, then I think it is only fair that their opinion be respected, and a trial run initiated. One month down the line, let us have another thread like this
P) and then we'll again reiterate our stands or change them. @nehal: You are taking the word "extras" too literally. In our context here, it just means something you don't have a use for. BTW, I'm sure you'll agree that even though dealer buy back prices are much too low than a sale here in TE, that doesn't mean profit to the seller. If you want to buy a 2nd hand mobile from a dealer, you will be charged much higher than what he took it back for. He gets profit from that deal. However, the same mobile, you can get it for much less from a seller here. Mutual benefit to both seller and buyer, with an intermediate who makes profits being avoided. AND, you can always buy used stuff in communities like these with much more confidence about their condition. THe same cannot be said about buying used stuff from outside.
That is why, TE market is here to stay.
Neo-N
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Well, I understand that 'extra' issue perfectly well.logistopath said:
And there is not any section on TE that I want to be done away with... I like the Market Feature as much as I like any other feature of TE.
All I am saying is that if the members think that an Auction sale will make TE just like ebay or something, they need to rethink their opinions. The current Market scenario is beneficial to both the buyer and seller. If an Auction system is introduced, it might turn out to be beneficial to both the buyer and seller as well.
If it doesn't turn out as planned, we can always ditch it. Why oppose something even before trying it??
I appreciate your views when you say that we can have a trial run. This is mature thinking... But here members just want to oppose coz they have the liberty to oppose.
Had an Auction system been imposed on them, had this thread not been there, what would have they done then?? Opened up Feedback threads and after a while (read the thread getting locked due to flaming) they would have accepted the new system.
And then members are saying that we should sell TE to ebay and that we are killing TE due to the Auction system... bla bla... Where does that notion come from??
Are the members opposed to the selling?? Or are they just opposed to the Auction?? In any case, Auction sale is not gonna be mandatory. So, why make a fuss??
The members who don't find it appealing should just put up a fixed price sale and be done with it.
Similar opposition and dissatisfaction was seen when Renegade started the Keep TE Clean drive. As a rule, people just want to oppose change for the heck of it.
You were one of the 1st persons to object but as it turns out, you are willing to have a trial run. It is saddening but not everyone here thinks as objectively as you.
P.S.: I have not mentioned anything about the S***** v/s J***** issue here!!!
@logistopah
Ah.
I need to ask u something abt the market again. What u said is correct. no arguments. but it can also be interpreted like this. We get more money if we sell in forums. And also most prolly, buyers get items in a cheaper price.sometimes atleast. So i don't buy the extras/benefit for community and what nots. I am sure we all have encountered
some very bad exp trying to sell items in local places. Please do not argue and say i am wrong. I am not.
Its money. Everyone wants more.
Ah.
I need to ask u something abt the market again. What u said is correct. no arguments. but it can also be interpreted like this. We get more money if we sell in forums. And also most prolly, buyers get items in a cheaper price.sometimes atleast. So i don't buy the extras/benefit for community and what nots. I am sure we all have encountered
some very bad exp trying to sell items in local places. Please do not argue and say i am wrong. I am not.
Its money. Everyone wants more.
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