psyph3r
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Baba Ramdev's Patanjali bigger than Emami with Rs 2,500 crores yearly revenues
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Pinnacle of quality? Uh, no, it just means that the standards would be better.
Not true. I have seen audit reports from big MNCs and they check each and everything. If you are so confident, why dont you try to see how your local hotel chap makes the food and see the insects. I assure you, you may not even eat food from hotels.
The way Nestle handled the ban was a good thing, with burning of all stocks. Similar to how Samsung has.
And your point is? Do you even understand what you are typing?
Again, not true. Internation audits - SEDEX, ISO and other, you can skate around the NCs very limited times. With Indian certifications, I dont know.
The only thing that shows is how much you are duped in the name of nationalism. Do you know what the back story is? Please check up. I know 2 guys who are part of the sub-sub contracters of Patanjali, and I feel I can see the bigger picture.
I thought you had a fully functional brain. We never doubted you on that.
Yes, till it eats away your teeth enamel. Its abrasive. Similar to Monkey brand, if you have used it.
If we find bad quality products from MNCs, there is a customer complaint team that swings into action. Where is that with Patanjali? They themselves do not know what batch they are making
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I'll do it tomorrow for sure. Been a hectic week so far
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letmein
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What these 'patriots' don't get is that existing 'Swadeshi' Indian companies (Britannia, Parle, ITC, Dabur etc.) are also affected.
And what do you think, MNCs like Nestle, P&G, HUL doesn't manufacture most, if not all, of these products in India? That they don't employ hundreds of thousands of fellow Indians?
And what do you think, MNCs like Nestle, P&G, HUL doesn't manufacture most, if not all, of these products in India? That they don't employ hundreds of thousands of fellow Indians?
I am not a fan of Baba Ramdev but this actually makes me sad on how people are being duped in name of news and the journalistic ethics in India.
This says -
So I follow the link - http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...ters-india-rich-list-with-3-8-billion/375420/
it says
2nd part about Acharaya Balakrishna's worth is from a Chinese publication. Here's the original list - http://www.hurun.net/en/ArticleShow.aspx?nid=20845 (storypick links to Financial Express but doesn't think it is necessary to link to the original list and neither does FE, it puts a screenshot instead which makes it doubt they had the rights to use it )
There is no talk of how the 94% worth is calculated because its from "a report". Now there are no figures on the Hurun report but it say cumulative wealth of Patanjali at 50,300 crores which is a confusing term. Is it Patanjali's asset - liabilities or is it some kind of worth using some formula? No one knows. Using that figure this guy's worth should be around ~ 50% of Patanjali's cumulative wealth.
Furthermore the FE article says he uses iphone, doesn't have computer etc etc which makes you feel they interviewed/visited him of sorts. Why then I wonder there is not a full article because I am sure it would be more eye grabbing. But the only quote is -
This is because it seems to be originating from somewhere else. The best I could find is this article from April which again presents 94% figure but at least doesn't shamelesly put it on "a report" and also has parts which are lifted verbatim by the FE article, again without attribution - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...of-Patanjali-Ayurved/articleshow/52047722.cms
This article presents another interesting fact -
. I don't even know why would someone take a huge risk of 50-60 crores for 3% stake but then people are foolish in name of religion. But then shouldn't the shareholding be 94-3-3 and not the pic by storypick?
It would seem news media is more interested in printing sensational news than facts. Here's an article when one googles Patanjali's financial result:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/columns/a-reality-check-on-patanjali/article8710429.ece
So no Patanjali is still not that great as media is making it out to be and no its not reaching 10k or gazillion crores as media likes to believe in the boasting of Baba Ramdeva.
The shareholding pattern "report" is also mentioned in the article (original link - http://www.brickworkratings.com/Adm...urveda-BankLoan_320Cr-Rationale-16Mar2016.pdf) which again is iffy on many details like who owns the other 6% and who all are there in the "senior management". I don't know if this publication is reputed but giving A rating to loan to a company whose shareholding pattern or management is not clear is suspect at best. They could very well be hands in glove with Patanjali.
Its this kind of deifying by media leads to many people falling in a trap. The same thing which caused Ankit Fadia to be believed as "an ethical hacker".
letmein
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I don't argue with most of the points you raise, neither do I claim to vouch for the shareholding pattern claimed by Storypick. But it is entirely possible that the couple may have exited from Patanjali by selling their stake - similar to the VC exits we're seeing nowadays.
@vivek.krishnan - as is with pepsodent & sensodyne in my experience. i have an on-&-off 'tryst' with teeth sensitivity since past few years (most probably 'inherited' from my father) & a gums problem, and have been using different products for 'experimentation'. i began using the 'dant kanti' paste when it was debuted. it did provide relief from that. however, over time, i and a friend of mine noted that the 'texture' of the paste had changed & become rougher & darker. nvm. for some time then began using a pepsodent gel (the 'thanda cooling crystals' waala), it worsened my condition. tried sensodyne in hope of relief. none, even though an experience with it some years back had been positive. perhaps things change with time (& increased commercialisation). i have been using baby toothbrushes since past few years which i keep replacing with new ones every 3 months or so. tried all the above even without a brush, using only my finger. didnt help. now i have returned to using 'divya dantamanjan' which i have used earlier irregularly, but now regularly since past few weeks, with occasional use of paste & brush too. thankfully havent faced incidence of sensitivity in the teeth since then, nor any gum-bruise/pain that i used to often get with adult toothbrushes (even ultra-soft ones). even if it happens that i get 'sour' teeth by giving in to biting into a piece of pineapple or drinking a glass or even a few sips of sour lemonade, the issue gets taken care of after a session of tete-a-tete between my finger, the powder & my teeth & gums.
regarding CC of Patanjali company, they do have. has a toll-free customer care number as well as an email address for feedback and suggestions. i had decided to use it once for one product but forgot.
regarding CC of Patanjali company, they do have. has a toll-free customer care number as well as an email address for feedback and suggestions. i had decided to use it once for one product but forgot.
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They could very well have. But the point was on media reporting. We don't have documents/reports, not even by name to back up what has been written now. So if they could make up numbers based on a March report (brickworks) holding true till now so could I based on a news report from April (TOI). It doesn't take much effort to write a sensationalist story.
Not sure what your point is. Ramdev has a political bent and maybe that guy is a blind follower, who knows. If you think I am supporting him here you are wrong. To put you at ease, let me say something which I only implied. I din't see a reason for the loan to Patanjali to be rated A, the only reason could be this has to be sold someone somewhere. Given the lack of information presented in the paper it looks like a rubber stamp approval of A which could be amounting to fraud.
any idea from where can i buy it? couldn't find it in NCR.
try MDH also. i threw away unopened packs of divya dantamanjan after testing MDH for a week. though divya dantamanjan is good but MDH feels more balanced.
psyph3r
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No no I don't think you're a supporter at all, in fact you and @letmein are applying too much logic and rational thinking compared to the other posts in this thread.
All these inflated numbers, favours from the govt., an island in Scotland doesn't come without corners being cut somewhere.
I always felt and still do think that Ramdev is a charlatan, people get impressed by his silly abdominal routine and I occasionally spot those nail grinding idiots.
Question is, you on some tech forum are looking at these discrepancies objectively but is there someone in a position to take action doing the same ? I guess not.
The only reason for those click-baity articles on websites and newspapers seems to be like a marketing ploy, people might think it's doing good business because of the quality and join the herd or give their products a shot or it might be part of some deeper ploy to overvalue a front designed to turn black money into white. No one knows for certain, all we can do is speculate.
I've personally used their shampoo and I found it to be a bit irritating and harsh on the skin and eyes, also it lathered up like a mofo indicating heavy use of sulphates which isn't really harmful but you know Indian logic "such lather much wow".
I assume you are talking about Monkey Brand? If yes, then the only shop in Mumbai which has them is in Matunga, called Matunga Stores, I believe
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http://www.herbalstore.in/monkey-brand-black-tooth-powder-nogi-ayurvedic-100-gm1427589618
Yes, I am looking for Monkey brand.
Even though it's mentioned on several sites, no one is actually having it in stock. Looks like they export most of it. It's much sought after abroad, as people are trying to move away from chemicals and plastics. It's not available on herbalstore.in but I've written to them. Thanks a lot for finding the link!
ithehappy
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Those who use Patanjali products, which ones are actually really good and worth using? I have been thinking about buying its products for a long time, but I am scared to buy anything. Let alone being a fan of him (or anyone for that matter) but his face alone scares me and then he dances sometimes which makes it even more scarier
So unless you are just a neutral user of Patanjali products then kindly mention which ones are worth using. Would appreciate it.
So unless you are just a neutral user of Patanjali products then kindly mention which ones are worth using. Would appreciate it.
threw?!
could've given to me.
the DDM has changed (in appearance & taste) from what it used to be earlier; but nevertheless works well for me. will try the MDH one. thanks.
Those who use Patanjali products, which ones are actually really good and worth using? I have been thinking about buying its products for a long time, but I am scared to buy anything. Let alone being a fan of him (or anyone for that matter) but his face alone scares me and then he dances sometimes which makes it even more scarier
So unless you are just a neutral user of Patanjali products then kindly mention which ones are worth using. Would appreciate it.
why..so..afraideous?! due to his looks & 'dancing' skills? lol. anyway that was not reqd.
could've bought a small product and given it a try.
some products which I've found good and worth for frequent use are:
1. honey
2. cornflakes (& oats, dalia) - definitely better than kellog's (thicker, bigger flakes). recently bought their muesli pack too, which I was told is newly launched. yet to try it.
3. aloe vera gel - this I feel has changed a bit over period, the gel now being a little less thicker & more 'wet'. I use it after shaving (as after bathing, if going out in a humid weather, the sweat washes it off, even though it tends to dry up quickly). the gel (alongwith curd) had helped in getting rid of some adamant acne & cut-marks on my face & neck upon regular use long back. incidentally it helped in one other thing some months back, when I was onboard a vessel and the chief cook there burnt his hand during cooking. i gave him this tube to try & see if that helped, and he did report relief from its application.
4. kachchi ghaani oil - since you are a Bengali you must be using mustard oil. I've found this to be good for daily use.
5. soaps & shampoo - i had bought quite a few soaps similar to what we get from Patanjali Ayurved, Khaadi Graamodyog, etc., from an indigenous-products store in turkey. however found the PA ones to be better (less lathery, lasting fragrance, but both types didn't result in noticeable dryness of skin) against expectation. however soaps from KG i think are still better, but i haven't used them in a long time now..........their detergent is good enough, but dish-wash soap IIRC was reported at home to be not so good after using more than once. regards shampoo, the one which i used (cant recall name; now there are multiple), it has actually become more, what to say, 'commercial', than what it used to be earlier. if you have ever made your own shampoo at home using anwla, reetha, shikakai, PA's shampoo used to be much like it, but now, generates more of lather & irritates the eye if seeps in, unlike earlier, & after-effect doesn't seem to be that good now, even though i feel its still better than some other usual shampoos in a way or other (doesn't dry the hair too much). for the time being I've stuck to a similar but a bit better shampoo, a large bottle of which i had got alongwith the soaps from the same place.
6. the divya dant manjan (tooth powder)
7. anwla juice - i drank it only a couple of times, but a friend's mother has been more-or-less regular with it after using it once, for use in the morning with water on empty stomach.
8. aata noodles - didn't like it much (i have anyway grown a disliking for noodles esp these instant ones over the years), but a friend finds them very good alongwith sunfeast's 'yippee'. so depends on taste i guess. you could try for occasional use. one thing unique to them is that you'll find dried peas & carrot-pieces etc. too in the pack.
9. hand-wash - found nothing extraordinary in use, but nothing bad or to complain about too.
10. oils - coconut hair oil, thicker in consistency. could use it regularly if you are in the habit of using hair-oils, though I'd recommend use before going retiring to bed at night.
that's more or less the 'inventory' of products I've tried and used. you'd get such products similar in quality or better from other less-known/local brands too, though one would have to search for them i think. for eg, i use D. Jain's (Dr. Oorjita Jain) plant-extracts (aloe vera, cucumber, hibiscus) for application on the scalp/hair. found them to be excellent for regular use! its instructed to be used before bathing & to be left for 10 mins before washing off, but i use it as a 'hair gel', and found it to be much better than other options like from brylcreem, etc. doesn't make your hair all dry & hard, sets/keeps them well in place, & prevents much sweating in a hot & humid weather as against if you'd have applied hair oil. no such alternative from PA or any other have i come across. no complaints so far and thus have kept using it. but you don't get it outside Maharashtra i believe.
so that's it.
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^^ I found the honey to be OK, same for the ghee. Coming to cornflakes, it was a mixed bag, not all at home liked it. I thought it was decent.
Toothpaste is definitely great, but not used for quite sometime. The noodles are similar to the other stuff in the market, I don't see anything great.
Speaking of using non chemical stuff, here in Ghatkopar, people still buy those twigs for brushing teeth. There is a lady who sits near Bhatiawadi and sells them.
Toothpaste is definitely great, but not used for quite sometime. The noodles are similar to the other stuff in the market, I don't see anything great.
Speaking of using non chemical stuff, here in Ghatkopar, people still buy those twigs for brushing teeth. There is a lady who sits near Bhatiawadi and sells them.
eternoMind
Herald
How do you guys identify that Dant Kanti is more abrasive?
I find the texture not too different from the Pepsodent I used before starting with Dant Kanti.
I too use the PA honey as only other option is Dabur.
I find the texture not too different from the Pepsodent I used before starting with Dant Kanti.
I too use the PA honey as only other option is Dabur.
@vivek.krishnan - honey I switched to from dabur's and then trying some more. but yes. found it better than dabur's. doesn't 'solidify' or form sugar-crystals like it. i also buy honey from local villages when out on a trek or a trip & find some local fellow selling locally procured honey or produced by a local brand. once got such locally procured honey/nectar from a villager while on a trek, who claimed its source being a flower (cant recall name) that blooms once in few years. it tasted a bit different from the usual honey we get.
ghee i don't recall trying. we make it at home itself. but have used IIRC Chitale's once and it was very good.
cornflakes i decided to try something different, i remember, after consistently finding lumps of some hard translucent brownish material in kellogg's packs. found PA's cornflakes without such 'impurities', and as i wrote, bigger-thicker flakes. next on my 'to-try' list is bagrry's.
with toothpaste i haven't had a consistent experience, unlike their toothpowder. noodles IDK if tastes similar to other aata noodles in the mkt, but my big disappointment & subsequent 'disenchantment' had come with top ramen (my yesteryears' 'favourite').
yes I've seen those datuns selling at various places, including at dadar, etc. its good. IMO one should use these too sometimes when have time to chew...good stuff, as well as using rocksalt mixed in a good bitter edible oil at night to rub on gums.
ghee i don't recall trying. we make it at home itself. but have used IIRC Chitale's once and it was very good.
cornflakes i decided to try something different, i remember, after consistently finding lumps of some hard translucent brownish material in kellogg's packs. found PA's cornflakes without such 'impurities', and as i wrote, bigger-thicker flakes. next on my 'to-try' list is bagrry's.
with toothpaste i haven't had a consistent experience, unlike their toothpowder. noodles IDK if tastes similar to other aata noodles in the mkt, but my big disappointment & subsequent 'disenchantment' had come with top ramen (my yesteryears' 'favourite').
yes I've seen those datuns selling at various places, including at dadar, etc. its good. IMO one should use these too sometimes when have time to chew
...good stuff, as well as using rocksalt mixed in a good bitter edible oil at night to rub on gums.
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it has changed from what it used to be earlier. things i can identify are, it has become sweeter, & got a 'tighter' texture...abrasiveness am not sure of, but it doesn't feel to me as 'smooth' as say pepsodent gel or sensodyne. try using both with finger and see if you can feel the difference. i have nevertheless reduced my usage of paste & brush now, and use more of the powder. just recalled, another thing i have noticed is that now my teeth don't get those white deposits (don't know what its called) at teeth-top and sides, which were a frequent occurrence.
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