Benazir Bhutto shot dead !!
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Funky said:
I completely agree! Its our politicians who are spineless, and not our defense forces. I've a friend who is in the IMA right now, and from what i've heard, indian forces are one of the best! Its sad that these politicians use them in ways that degrades their standards. I just hope they don't wait for pakistan to make the first move if it comes to a war.
actually we cannot :ashamed:guru said:actually we can.
Ground realities are a lot different than what we might want them to be.
You are right as far as politicians are concerned in being spineless, but i won't buy that in entirety. There are a lot of things one has to look at before taking decisive action. You have to look at foreign relations, trade ties, international response, weigh pros and cons and ofcourse accept that you are not America on a global scale or Israel on a middle east scale.checksum said:
Btw, you won't think they will say we are anything worse than the best in IMA
But then again we are among the best ground troops anyway. Its easy to point fingers at politicians, diplomats or even the top brass of our army. You have to be inside and know facts to appreciate that things aren't so easy and nothing is black and white. We have to make tradeoffs and decide whats best. And given such conditions no decision is right or wrong, one can always claim to have a better decision in retrospect.Safin said:
Actually we already have.
we've done it 1971. while some us like to romanticize [and even want :-[ mofo traitors] India and Pakistan and two EQUAL states going at it. Truth is India is way stronger Political, Social, Economic and Military Institutions than Pakistan. source: Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
hammerhead
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I completely agree with guru. But why are we discussing Indo-Pak war anyway? Right now there is a Pak-Pak war. I think the pro taliban forces are more strong in Pakistan than their pro Democratic counterparts.
Shripad
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The thing is we got our hands burned when we tried to forcefully resolve the conflicts in our subcontinent. Assassinations of 2 PMs just made our politicians weary of actually being proactive. They have been weary of taking a firm solid political and military stand since 1991.
We are partially responsible for overall political condition in SE asia. We could effectively force ourself as a authoritative nation who has big influence in SE asia. But honestly our politicians are responsible for current state.
Why did our government did not take tough stand on burma conflict? Or for that matter nepal and Sri Lanka issue? No. And the major reason is that our politicians are weary and they choose defensive option first.
Same goes with Pakistan. We let the whole Kargil issue way too lightly in 1999.
Even now there is a chance to take tougher political, economical and military stand but its highly unlikely we will see any more reaction to current crisis from our government. And its never their problem. Like it or not, if there is problem in Pakistan, we have a problem.
We are partially responsible for overall political condition in SE asia. We could effectively force ourself as a authoritative nation who has big influence in SE asia. But honestly our politicians are responsible for current state.
Why did our government did not take tough stand on burma conflict? Or for that matter nepal and Sri Lanka issue? No. And the major reason is that our politicians are weary and they choose defensive option first.
Same goes with Pakistan. We let the whole Kargil issue way too lightly in 1999.
Even now there is a chance to take tougher political, economical and military stand but its highly unlikely we will see any more reaction to current crisis from our government. And its never their problem. Like it or not, if there is problem in Pakistan, we have a problem.
ultra vires
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Al-Qaeda did it
We terminated Benazir Bhutto, claims al-Qaeda
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Islamabad, December 28: An al-Qaeda leader based in Afghanistan has claimed responsibility for the assassination of former Pakistan Premier Benazir Bhutto, whom he described as "the most precious American asset."
"We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat (the) 'mujahadeen'," al-Qaeda Commander and spokesman Mustafa Abu Al-Yazid told the Italian news agency Adnkronos International (AKI) in a phone call from an unknown location.
Al-Yazid was described by AKI as the "main al-Qaeda commander in Afghanistan". It reported that the decision to kill Bhutto was made by al-Qaeda No. two, Ayman al-Zawahiri in October.
The report said death squads were allegedly constituted for the mission and one cell comprising a "Punjabi volunteer" of the Lashkar-i-Jhangvi killed Bhutto.
Bhutto died after being shot by a suicide attacker, who later blew himself up near her armoured vehicles just after she had addressed an election rally at Rawalpindi near here. The blast killed nearly 30 people.
During her campaign to drum up support for her Pakistan People's Party, Bhutto had repeatedly attacked elements who were fomenting extremism and militancy in northwestern region of the country and vowed to crack down on militant groups.
Bhutto, who returned to Pakistan from exile two months ago, had earlier survived a suicide attack on her homecoming procession in Karachi on October 18 that killed 140 people and injured hundreds more.
Baitullah Mehsud, a militant leader who was recently made head of Tekrik Taliban-e-Pakistan - a coalition of Pakistani Taliban groups, had reportedly issued threats that he would send suicide bombers to target Bhutto.We terminated Benazir Bhutto, claims al-Qaeda
Shripad
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Hacker said:
Thats exactly what I am telling.
Terrorist is terrorist. Be it Hindu Tamil or extremist muslim. It should not matter. They assassinated our PM, and we did nothing, absolutely nothing. And its bigger threat to south india itself. Specially some big cities are easy and soft targets for LTTE.
Sure tamils in sri lanka suffered after independence due to sinhali govt taking stand of giving benifitial treatment to their majority people as they were supposably ill treated during occupation, but terrorism should not be tolerated. Specially when they dared to assassinate Rajiv Gandhi.
As far as burma is concerned, our govt didnt even lodge official protest with their govt recently which was a shocker.
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