Graphic Cards Best card for 6-7k now ?
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. missed overclocked 9800pro 
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He said the best buy for 7K is a 6600 256MB. That definitely is not the best buy if you can get a 9800 pro @ 7.5K. Anyway as I said, there are only three scenarios in which the 9800 is faster than a 6600GT... one in case of texture cache thrashing like in UT2k4. (most textures in it are 1024x1024. Some of them are 2048x2048. All effects in it are just plain texture blends and no shaders. It uses a single pixel shader to single pass the terrain rendering on PS1.1 or higher capable hardware) The second case is when the pixel shader has a lot of math in it. Examples are nfsug2 and rthdribl where it gets owned again(~60fps vs around 45fps on GT when i last checked). The third scenario is when the app does a lot of raster ops(eg Splinter Cell(including chaos theory/pandora tomorrow) and colin mcrae rally cos the GT does only 4 raster ops per clock cycle whereas the radeon does 8. Elsewhere the GT is faster. But the radeon has two significant advantages... better 2D quality at high res(matters only @1600x1200 or higher, lower resolutions are okay on both. The asus 6600GT has great 2D though) and the second is gamma corrected MSAA which the 6600GT cant do. This is something that nvidia introduced only with 7800GTX. The 6600GT on the other hand has 16bit fp blend (HDR in laymen's terms) and shader model 3 which might be useful in future titles.rahul3111 said:
undertaker
Contributor
Okay NFSU:2 performance had serious issues with GF6 cards until the last patch(the 6800U performed 50% slower than the X850),with the new patch its as fast if not faster.And the 6600Gt owns the 9800pro in nfsu:2 albeit by a small margin,I remember the exact frame rates from the review on a site(I'll post the link if I remember it):
9800 pro
min :32fps
avg:35fps
6600gt:
min:35fps
avg:39fps
All ingame settigs maxed out at 1024x768.
This is a true case of fanaticism here. :tongue:
And all reviews I've read show that the Raddy 9800pro still never breaches the 50fps barrier in doom3 at 1024x768 even with cats 5.6.
I carried out a very detailed analysis from all possible sources b4 deciding that the extra 1200 for Dark's 6600gt was well worth it.
And as for issues look up the games section for GTA:SA lockups and so on..
And the number of 9800pros that have failed on TE.
The BIG 6600GT which is the same as the BFG version(I remember the BIG's owner Vikas stating that these cards were Nvidia oems so in all likelihood they are BFG cards as BFG ,the Nvidia offshoot of the erstwhile Visiontek ,is one of Nvidia's biggest partners in NA and is rumored to make their sample cards.)
BTW:I asked for people's opinion on the 9800pro vs the 6600gt here and the overwhelming majority favoured the 6600gt.
9800 pro
min :32fps
avg:35fps
6600gt:
min:35fps
avg:39fps
All ingame settigs maxed out at 1024x768.
This is a true case of fanaticism here. :tongue:
And all reviews I've read show that the Raddy 9800pro still never breaches the 50fps barrier in doom3 at 1024x768 even with cats 5.6.
I carried out a very detailed analysis from all possible sources b4 deciding that the extra 1200 for Dark's 6600gt was well worth it.
And as for issues look up the games section for GTA:SA lockups and so on..
And the number of 9800pros that have failed on TE.
The BIG 6600GT which is the same as the BFG version(I remember the BIG's owner Vikas stating that these cards were Nvidia oems so in all likelihood they are BFG cards as BFG ,the Nvidia offshoot of the erstwhile Visiontek ,is one of Nvidia's biggest partners in NA and is rumored to make their sample cards.)
BTW:I asked for people's opinion on the 9800pro vs the 6600gt here and the overwhelming majority favoured the 6600gt.
Unless you quote the source, i dont believe those numbers. Also the 6800 series is still a lot slower than the radeon even with the latest patch. Look here
http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=Nzg0LDEy Its the architecture, NV40 is a lot slower at fp math than R420. Simple as that.
About the failing 9800 cards, blame club3d quality control and not ATI
. Same holds true for the XFX 6600GT cards which have an overheating HSF bridge. When I get back to bbay, I'll post a screenshot of the timedemo of doom3. I dont say a 9800 is better than 6600GT. Given a choice, i'd buy a 6600GT at the same price. However as I said before, between the 9800 pro and 6600 vanilla, its a no contest. Hehe about big being BFG, I think i made the first post about it in that thread .
Edit: another thing I fgt abt comparing the 9800 pro to 6600GT.... well by default the 6600GT does brilinear whereas the 9800 does true trilinear at all times.(It cant do brilinear as hardware doesnt support) So to test it with same image quality, disable the anisotropic optimization/trilinear optimization from the nvidia control panel and then compare. Thats an apples to apples comparison.
http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=Nzg0LDEy Its the architecture, NV40 is a lot slower at fp math than R420. Simple as that.
About the failing 9800 cards, blame club3d quality control and not ATI
. Same holds true for the XFX 6600GT cards which have an overheating HSF bridge. When I get back to bbay, I'll post a screenshot of the timedemo of doom3. I dont say a 9800 is better than 6600GT. Given a choice, i'd buy a 6600GT at the same price. However as I said before, between the 9800 pro and 6600 vanilla, its a no contest. Hehe about big being BFG, I think i made the first post about it in that thread .Edit: another thing I fgt abt comparing the 9800 pro to 6600GT.... well by default the 6600GT does brilinear whereas the 9800 does true trilinear at all times.(It cant do brilinear as hardware doesnt support) So to test it with same image quality, disable the anisotropic optimization/trilinear optimization from the nvidia control panel and then compare. Thats an apples to apples comparison.
Blade_Runner
Forerunner
lol ! True case of fanaticism :rofl: ! Chaos only pointed some things ! he isnt recommending any1 to go for a 9800pro over the 6600GT. But over the plain 6600 for sure. True fanboyism is suggesting a 5950U like u did. And we need to go over the whole thing once more............ When i saw your 9800pro Vs 6600GT thread i got the point of it or what you were tryin to prove. I knew you wud go for the 6600GT no matter what. And for god sake stop comparing the 9800pro to a new generation card which should actually be performing much better than what its doing now.
As for card problems every card has it. no card is exempt frm this. rather than nitpicking it and using those as a argument, try and report those problems to the respective companies.
EDIT: Oh and one more thing, the npithub site sucks ! that simple marketing or whatever is prolly tryin to sell some old or refurb card cuz as of now there is only one disty of club3d cards and they have stopped importing the 9800pro. Even powercolor have stopped importing the 9800 series right now. So the whole issue is pointless as it is.
As for card problems every card has it. no card is exempt frm this. rather than nitpicking it and using those as a argument, try and report those problems to the respective companies.
EDIT: Oh and one more thing, the npithub site sucks ! that simple marketing or whatever is prolly tryin to sell some old or refurb card cuz as of now there is only one disty of club3d cards and they have stopped importing the 9800pro. Even powercolor have stopped importing the 9800 series right now. So the whole issue is pointless as it is.
undertaker
Contributor
And lets get some things clear for a budget of within 8k:
For PCI-E the 6600 plain 256mb or 128mb is the best option.(the 128mb for 6.5k is the best actually as it overclocks better)
For AGP,the 9800pro is the best option only if its 128mb,256-bit(remember I am not too sure about that as I don't trust these dealers to know much).Some 9800 pros were actually 128-bit and perhaps hez already out of stock as I mentioned.But if you can get a second-hand 6600gt for a little more go for it.Its high-time though that the 6600gt became 9k all inclusive.10k is a little steep for it.
And the optimizations thingy:Well I tried turing it on and off on my 5700 earlier and there was hardly any performance difference between them.Thats on a card that is very slow compared to the 6600gt.
When I recieve the 6600GT by Tuesday latest,I'll do the same again and hopefully a full review.
Anyway the 6600Gt is the better card,end of story.Its almost as fast as a vanilla 6800 at stock and has decent oc potential.
For PCI-E the 6600 plain 256mb or 128mb is the best option.(the 128mb for 6.5k is the best actually as it overclocks better)
For AGP,the 9800pro is the best option only if its 128mb,256-bit(remember I am not too sure about that as I don't trust these dealers to know much).Some 9800 pros were actually 128-bit and perhaps hez already out of stock as I mentioned.But if you can get a second-hand 6600gt for a little more go for it.Its high-time though that the 6600gt became 9k all inclusive.10k is a little steep for it.
WTF?Is it too hard for people to understand a joke?
And the optimizations thingy:Well I tried turing it on and off on my 5700 earlier and there was hardly any performance difference between them.Thats on a card that is very slow compared to the 6600gt.
When I recieve the 6600GT by Tuesday latest,I'll do the same again and hopefully a full review.
Anyway the 6600Gt is the better card,end of story.Its almost as fast as a vanilla 6800 at stock and has decent oc potential.
Oh well. Since all of us are unanimous now, Let there be peace 
. As undertaker said, make sure its the 256 bit version. Easy to identify. All true 9800 pros (256bit) have memory in an L shaped configuration in BGA package(small square looking chips should either be Samsung GC-2A or Hynix AF-28 ) on the back and front of the card. The 128bit 9800(its not a pro, its clocked at 325MHz core) has memory in an I shape memory configuration and has TSOP memory(similar to the chips on a dimm. Generally some crappy brand ).
. As undertaker said, make sure its the 256 bit version. Easy to identify. All true 9800 pros (256bit) have memory in an L shaped configuration in BGA package(small square looking chips should either be Samsung GC-2A or Hynix AF-28 ) on the back and front of the card. The 128bit 9800(its not a pro, its clocked at 325MHz core) has memory in an I shape memory configuration and has TSOP memory(similar to the chips on a dimm. Generally some crappy brand ).undertaker
Contributor
In any case, a card from the likes of Simple Marketing(importer of cheap chinese card readers basically),is unlikely to be from BBA, Sapphire or MSI or any decent brand.Some low life no-brand card(even if it is an actual 9800 pro) is more likely.
Blade_Runner
Forerunner
Oh yeah i remember powercolor used to sell a 128 bit 9800 as a pro for almost the same price as the pro !Chaos said:Oh well. Since all of us are unanimous now, Let there be peace
Aces170
Explorer
LOL, Nvidiots cant have enough. Between a 6600GT and 9800 pro its a no-contest 6600GT wins hands down, infact with the 6600GT going for 144$ in US, its a better deal then 9800 pro anyday. But saying a plain 6600 beats 9800 pro is fanboisim.
Although as I mentioned earlier in PCIE nothing beats the x800 for 165$ deal, it outperforms the 6600 GT in most of the games. X700 is a no go, Chaos I think the X700 pro is faster then a 6600, havent seen any benchies of vanilla x700.
@undertaker Club 3d 9800 pro has issues so has XFX 6600 GT, afaik both the companies are crap, infact I would still buy my cards from US, as even if the card gets spoilt they have an amazing after sales service, cant say the same for BBC and Rashi...
Although as I mentioned earlier in PCIE nothing beats the x800 for 165$ deal, it outperforms the 6600 GT in most of the games. X700 is a no go, Chaos I think the X700 pro is faster then a 6600, havent seen any benchies of vanilla x700.
@undertaker Club 3d 9800 pro has issues so has XFX 6600 GT, afaik both the companies are crap, infact I would still buy my cards from US, as even if the card gets spoilt they have an amazing after sales service, cant say the same for BBC and Rashi...
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Ok first of all - Its AGP, my pc has no PCI-e.
And i'll be going off to Nehru Place, Simple Marketing to check the latest prices on all cards mentioned here i.e -
6600 vanilla 256 mb
6600 vanilla 128 (cheaper and better overclocks)
6600Gt - 10K!
9800Pro (256 bit right ?) - 7.5k hopefully = instant buy
hyeah:
i will go check prices soon, i can't spend much because saving for k750i which is priced at like 19k.
And i'll be going off to Nehru Place, Simple Marketing to check the latest prices on all cards mentioned here i.e -
6600 vanilla 256 mb
6600 vanilla 128 (cheaper and better overclocks)
6600Gt - 10K!
9800Pro (256 bit right ?) - 7.5k hopefully = instant buy
hyeah:i will go check prices soon, i can't spend much because saving for k750i which is priced at like 19k.
undertaker
Contributor
No vanilla 6600s in Delhi AFAIK,I contacted BIG's Rajender Chadha and he said he has only 6600gt in AGP.
And please check the build of the 9800pro very thoroughly ,never trust a NP dealer,ever!
And please check the build of the 9800pro very thoroughly ,never trust a NP dealer,ever!
