Buying canon sx 110is in a day or 2!
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frankmehta
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how much are you getting the sx110is for?????? why arent you trying for the fz28k from panny??
why dont you pm kmd for a good deal on a nice sx10is or fz28 from usa?
why dont you pm kmd for a good deal on a nice sx10is or fz28 from usa?
thetoxicmind
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magnet said:
If this is your first digital camera and you have no prior experience,i suggest you get a decent P&S and not something with manual controls...
And if its an all purpose camera,then don't get the ones that run on AA batteries !
The Panasonic Lumix TZ15(a.k.a TZ5) is retailing for about 16.8k !
Features:9MP,Wide-Angle,10X Optical zoom,OIS,FD,3" LCD,Lithium-ion battery...
reason i m buying manual control is i want to learn photography and earlier thread prompted to old version 100is
Will try panny one u mentioned....
Reason not asking kmd is i want it urgently for 13th of this month wont b able to source this early....plus ill prefer indian warranty over american
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batteries are 2pcs NiMH Battery are they better or check others
i guess lithium one is better ..is the mentioned one better
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Will try panny one u mentioned....
Reason not asking kmd is i want it urgently for 13th of this month wont b able to source this early....plus ill prefer indian warranty over american
Canon Digital Camera Price - jjmehta.com
batteries are 2pcs NiMH Battery are they better or check others
i guess lithium one is better ..is the mentioned one better
SDV / Digitek / Camelion Lithium Battery NB2L for Canon Cameras
JJMEHTA.COM PRICELIST Page
Purpose of a camera is "Image quality".
When you will show the images to your children or grandchildren in future , they will like the pic for its quality, and not because of the features the camera had.
I own a SX110IS, retailing at 15.5k. And i can assure you that the quality of this camera is much superior than TZ5. I have seen many many image outputs of both cameras at 100% crops, and sx110IS comes out to be superior.
1) Regarding the "MYTH"
" if its your first camera, do not go for manual controls"
Well all I can say is that SX110 IS has options to manual controls, but its Auto mode, scene modes, easy modes are similar and equal if not better to many auto cameras . So You have added manual controls and not just manual controls. If someday you wanted to take some serious images, you can rely on SX110IS.
Of course you cant compare DSLR with a P&S. But SX110 is not just a P&S, its a bridge between P&S and DSLR. I would say, SX110 can be very useful for learners. I would prefer a manual over a full auto ANY DAY!
2) Just dont read this thread, do a through research,
Digital Camera Reviews and News: Digital Photography Review: Forums, Glossary, FAQ
Steve's Digicams - Main Menu there are reviews of both TZ5 and sx110 on this website.
Canon PowerShot SX110 IS Review - Digital Camera Reviews - TrustedReviews
Please DO compare the 100% crops and not resized images!
Trustedreviews.com includes 100% crops of both cameras.
3) AA does not always mean a CON
SX10IS, SX1 IS which are much much superior than TZ or sx110 and all SX series have AA batteries. Canon is not a fool to have AA in their top models!
Canon recomends users to use NIMH 2500Mha+ Rechargeable batteries. They can have hundreds of recharges and give 200-400 pics depending on the settings used by the camera.
AA batteries are available anywhere, even at ladakh
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A pair of NIMH costs 250, I have 3 pairs of NIMH batteries that cost me 1100 including charger. And I have never faced a position where I am unable to take images because of low battery. So having AA batteries is a plus for me rather than negative. If you are into traveling, AA rules.
4) Judge your mind and read lots of reviews, and look at image results of both camera at steve reviews and dpreview. DON't Look at flickr, those images are photoshoped. Remember that its your hard earned money and people don't buy cameras after every 6 months.
At the end, i would again say Image quality weighs more than the "So called cool features" a camera have. Images speak which camera is better!
When you will show the images to your children or grandchildren in future , they will like the pic for its quality, and not because of the features the camera had.
I own a SX110IS, retailing at 15.5k. And i can assure you that the quality of this camera is much superior than TZ5. I have seen many many image outputs of both cameras at 100% crops, and sx110IS comes out to be superior.
1) Regarding the "MYTH"
" if its your first camera, do not go for manual controls"
Well all I can say is that SX110 IS has options to manual controls, but its Auto mode, scene modes, easy modes are similar and equal if not better to many auto cameras . So You have added manual controls and not just manual controls. If someday you wanted to take some serious images, you can rely on SX110IS.
Of course you cant compare DSLR with a P&S. But SX110 is not just a P&S, its a bridge between P&S and DSLR. I would say, SX110 can be very useful for learners. I would prefer a manual over a full auto ANY DAY!
2) Just dont read this thread, do a through research,
Digital Camera Reviews and News: Digital Photography Review: Forums, Glossary, FAQ
Steve's Digicams - Main Menu there are reviews of both TZ5 and sx110 on this website.
Canon PowerShot SX110 IS Review - Digital Camera Reviews - TrustedReviews
Please DO compare the 100% crops and not resized images!
Trustedreviews.com includes 100% crops of both cameras.
3) AA does not always mean a CON
SX10IS, SX1 IS which are much much superior than TZ or sx110 and all SX series have AA batteries. Canon is not a fool to have AA in their top models!
Canon recomends users to use NIMH 2500Mha+ Rechargeable batteries. They can have hundreds of recharges and give 200-400 pics depending on the settings used by the camera.
AA batteries are available anywhere, even at ladakh
. A pair of NIMH costs 250, I have 3 pairs of NIMH batteries that cost me 1100 including charger. And I have never faced a position where I am unable to take images because of low battery. So having AA batteries is a plus for me rather than negative. If you are into traveling, AA rules.
4) Judge your mind and read lots of reviews, and look at image results of both camera at steve reviews and dpreview. DON't Look at flickr, those images are photoshoped. Remember that its your hard earned money and people don't buy cameras after every 6 months.
At the end, i would again say Image quality weighs more than the "So called cool features" a camera have. Images speak which camera is better!
thetoxicmind
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AA Batteries = Long Flash recycles , is what i meant !
Now you don't wanna WAIT FOR THE FLASH TO RECHARGE and miss out on a priceless moment do you?
I've read a lot of user experiences of the sx110is complaining about the long flash cycle!
Well,even the TZ5 will keep you busy with the settings it has to offer and once your comfortable with such p&s cameras you can probably step up to one that offers full manual controls.
One needs to learn to utilize his camera to the fullest to truly understand what it is capable of !
Features like face detection,10x optical zoom,wide angle are not just cool but USEFUL features !
On the other hand..
Yes,the Canon's IQ is better than the Panny but the latter isn't that bad either !
In the end,it comes down to your priorities and the camera usage !
If your planning to learn photography and not gonna use this as an everyday all-purpose camera then by all means go ahead with the Canon SX110 IS else the Panny TZ5 is worth considering...
P.S: Not all photos you see on Flickr are photoshop'd ! the obvious ones are..
Now you don't wanna WAIT FOR THE FLASH TO RECHARGE and miss out on a priceless moment do you?
I've read a lot of user experiences of the sx110is complaining about the long flash cycle!
Well,even the TZ5 will keep you busy with the settings it has to offer and once your comfortable with such p&s cameras you can probably step up to one that offers full manual controls.
One needs to learn to utilize his camera to the fullest to truly understand what it is capable of !
Features like face detection,10x optical zoom,wide angle are not just cool but USEFUL features !
On the other hand..
Yes,the Canon's IQ is better than the Panny but the latter isn't that bad either !
In the end,it comes down to your priorities and the camera usage !
If your planning to learn photography and not gonna use this as an everyday all-purpose camera then by all means go ahead with the Canon SX110 IS else the Panny TZ5 is worth considering...
P.S: Not all photos you see on Flickr are photoshop'd ! the obvious ones are..
thetoxicmind said:
Flash recycle time is just 3-5 seconds at recharged battery!
5-7sec(7 max) when battery is low. If one is using a low battery, its not the mistake of the camera.
Flash of SX110 is better.
Placement of flash on sx110 is better(over the lens)
I have seen results of cameras where light of flash is uneven because of the placement of flash.
If a user has 23 pair of recharged batteries, night shooting can give about 200-250 images, with almost no recharge time at all.
3 seconds is not considered long recharge. 3 seconds are taken to see the previous image result taken by the camera
And If even that 2-3 seconds are not acceptable, there is a option to use external flash connected with SX110is.
And Manual mode of SX110 allows the user to capture "THOSE priceless moments" beautifully.
Sx110 has features both manual and auto, so shooting mode features of TZ5 are all included in SX110. A person would prefer learning all the features from SX110 itself than learning exposure from TZ5 and then learning A/S/M modes in sx110is. Why would anyone buy two cameras to learn when he can learn the same from one?
Except the wide angle thing, there is nothing more of a so called feature that is not in SX110. And at the end, no matter whats the camera is, image quality is what matters. And if a buyer compromise on Image Quality, Well then its upto him
.@magnet
I would say, have a look at the 100% image of both cameras and judge yourself.
P.S: if wide angle is what you need and you don't want to compromise, then better buy SX10IS its a wide angle ultra zoom. Going for 16-18k Grey mkt and 25k Retail.
Sx110 is an all purpose camera. If you want to learn, it can be a tool to learn. If you want to make it everyday, just move the dial to AUTO, and it will become that EVERYDAY camera.
Well most of them are photoshopped, or resized at flickr. You might get straight out of camera results, but its upto you how much search you are going to do for that on Flickr, you can easily look at out of camera results at Review Websites.
@magnet
Go through the review websites i mentioned above, they are reputed and have a large reader base. Once you make your mind on a specific model, then go through Flickr to see the way you can shape up your results.
note: somehow I am unable to edit my posts, there seems to be no option for that... so kindly overlook my spelling mistakes if any.
thetoxicmind
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@fahd123
I understand your need to back up the sx110is but I was merely giving him options..
IMHO,The TZ5 is much more compact and better suited for every day use than the sx110is...
I'm in now way stopping him from getting the sx110is ,it's upto him!
@magnet
I strongly suggest you read all available reviews on the TZ5 & SX110IS and decide and get to know about the PROS N CONS of both..
If you can,check them out in person !
I understand your need to back up the sx110is but I was merely giving him options..
IMHO,The TZ5 is much more compact and better suited for every day use than the sx110is...
I'm in now way stopping him from getting the sx110is ,it's upto him!
@magnet
I strongly suggest you read all available reviews on the TZ5 & SX110IS and decide and get to know about the PROS N CONS of both..
If you can,check them out in person !
Larger MP rating on a point and shoot = noise. Simply because they use very small sensors, and the scaling is more.
My A710IS gives better results in lower lighting than the A650IS i.e. 7 MP VS 12.1 MP. Please take that into account.
IMO the SX100IS was decent and the A710IS was a little better.
Sony's low light is decent, but colours over saturated.
Stick with Canon, avoid higher MP ratings in general though exceptions exist.
My A710IS gives better results in lower lighting than the A650IS i.e. 7 MP VS 12.1 MP. Please take that into account.
IMO the SX100IS was decent and the A710IS was a little better.
Sony's low light is decent, but colours over saturated.
Stick with Canon, avoid higher MP ratings in general though exceptions exist.
Just how many of your grand-children are going to see these photos at 100%?fahd123 said:
I don't want to argue here since you and toxicmind both are right. Both these cameras have a place and compromises.
@magnet: The SX110IS has better IQ, stronger flash, and full manual controls while the TZ15 has wide-angle, Li-ion battery which is a plus, and is more compact thus ensuring u carry around more, yes it is has slightly worse IQ at higher ISO (and only if u peek at 100%).
You really need to try out both cameras and understand the significance of wide-angle before you make your purchase...atleast for me, wide-angle is sooo much more important than manual features for an all-purpose camera.
Just an opinion,
Payne
My neighbor just bought this model and is extremely happy with it. The controls on the camera will accomodate your learning curve and you can go from the 'easy' mode to the 'M' mode as per your grasping of camera basics.
Feel absolutely confident when getting this camera.
@magnet: Please try and source prices from other shops too. My neighbor bought it for a lesser price from Peoples camera (Fort) than advertised on jjmehta. People's Camera is an authorised dealer of Canon (you will get contact info from canon's site). Please look at the overall deal. The 2Gb card is priced around 400-500 and 4 Gb would be priced around 1K. Also if possible get a set of 4 Eneloops or Uniross Hybrio (both are Low Discharge) instead of the regular NiMh batteries along with a good fast charger. I have a charger where power level of individual battery is displayed instead of a common one where there is a single light indicator for 4 batteries. You can also get a car adaptor for your charger to charge while on the move.
Also, listen to Payne's comment about wide-angled. Having used S2IS for over a year now, I can safely add my vote for a wider angled camera as compared to a tele zoom one. When you go to the shop, compare 2 cameras - 1 having a wide angle and the other having high optical zoom. Focus on the same area at the widest possible zoom from both cameras to get a feel for it.
@Payne: Have you tried SX110IS - the image quality is a bit different from S2IS - a bit on the softer side because of the upgraded DIGIC. Somehow, they make portraits look really nice. But then I don't have a good eye for these things.
Feel absolutely confident when getting this camera.
@magnet: Please try and source prices from other shops too. My neighbor bought it for a lesser price from Peoples camera (Fort) than advertised on jjmehta. People's Camera is an authorised dealer of Canon (you will get contact info from canon's site). Please look at the overall deal. The 2Gb card is priced around 400-500 and 4 Gb would be priced around 1K. Also if possible get a set of 4 Eneloops or Uniross Hybrio (both are Low Discharge) instead of the regular NiMh batteries along with a good fast charger. I have a charger where power level of individual battery is displayed instead of a common one where there is a single light indicator for 4 batteries. You can also get a car adaptor for your charger to charge while on the move.
Also, listen to Payne's comment about wide-angled. Having used S2IS for over a year now, I can safely add my vote for a wider angled camera as compared to a tele zoom one. When you go to the shop, compare 2 cameras - 1 having a wide angle and the other having high optical zoom. Focus on the same area at the widest possible zoom from both cameras to get a feel for it.
@Payne: Have you tried SX110IS - the image quality is a bit different from S2IS - a bit on the softer side because of the upgraded DIGIC. Somehow, they make portraits look really nice. But then I don't have a good eye for these things.
Vandal said:
Hi, proportion is what you need to look at. If a sensor is 15% larger, but the MP rating is 50% more, do you get my drift?
Canons IQ is very good, great natural colours - I repeat. Also manual controls a plus, as you can graduate to using them.
I started with the A710IS; and have never looked back.
Ok ok I know, you wanted to quote BF1983.
thetoxicmind
Forerunner
-D.Payne- said:Just how many of your grand-children are going to see these photos at 100%?
I don't want to argue here since you and toxicmind both are right. Both these cameras have a place and compromises.
@magnet: The SX110IS has better IQ, stronger flash, and full manual controls while the TZ15 has wide-angle, Li-ion battery which is a plus, and is more compact thus ensuring u carry around more, yes it is has slightly worse IQ at higher ISO (and only if u peek at 100%).
You really need to try out both cameras and understand the significance of wide-angle before you make your purchase...atleast for me, wide-angle is sooo much more important than manual features for an all-purpose camera.
Just an opinion,
Payne
-D.Payne- to my rescue...
Thnx.
As I said, whoever see the image, will like it because of its quality(less noise) and not because of the camera used. And that's true.-D.Payne- said:Just how many of your grand-children are going to see these photos at 100%?
I don't want to argue here since you and toxicmind both are right. Both these cameras have a place and compromises.
@magnet: The SX110IS has better IQ, stronger flash, and full manual controls while the TZ15 has wide-angle, Li-ion battery which is a plus, and is more compact thus ensuring u carry around more, yes it is has slightly worse IQ at higher ISO (and only if u peek at 100%).
You really need to try out both cameras and understand the significance of wide-angle before you make your purchase...atleast for me, wide-angle is sooo much more important than manual features for an all-purpose camera.
Just an opinion,
Payne
I would say compare 200 ISO of sx110 with TZ5. You will see the difference even at 50% image, forget 100%
400ISO and TZ5 shows what its made of
compare 400ISO of sx110 with TZ5.
Noise can be seen at low resolution too, not just 100%. So look at sample images. You will get the idea of what I am saying.
Now, if i am getting NOISY pics at 200ISo or 400ISO, whats the use of Wide angle? to capture more noise space?
Regarding the comparison of li-ion with AA's
I think I quoted this thing before too.. first of all canon recommends NIMH, So please compare Li-ion with NIMH AA's. 2 pair nimh is better than 1 li-ion . I agree Li-ion is better as compared with 1 pair NImh. But NiMH AA's have their own merits. 2 pair Nimh can easily take 300-400 pics. Depending on setting of the camera used. They are freely available.
Tell me what NiMH AA lacks?
what will an NIMH user miss out if he's not using Li-Ion?
Can we see the real difference of Lion over NIMH in real-world use?
If 2 pair AA's are capable of giving 300-400 , I don't think anyone should hesitate to buy a camera just because it uses AA's.
If Flash recharge is a matter of concern, I would say read reviews, SX110 has less recharge time than sx100. 3-5 sec, and max 7sec when battery is low. And you can always use the optional flash
Sx1 IS , one of the TOP model of canon lineup in P&S uses AA's, and Canon is not a fool to use it if its SO BAD, that one can even drop a camera from list because of AA's
@magnet
Both cameras are of different league.
TZ5 has a wide angle with no manual controls. And for outdoors, as TZ5 struggles at higher ISO!
Sx110IS has everything except wide angle and have much better results at higher ISO.
As i said before, If wide angle is what you need, consider SX10IS, else SX110IS and TZ5 if you can compromise on Quality!!
I am in no way saying TZ5 is bad. But Except wide angle what feature does it really have, which can make a world of difference?
, where is the edit button?@fahd: As I've already said, there's no need to argue. There is no black and white when it comes to cameras is what I'm trying to say.
I can harp on and on about why the TZ is a good choice too (see how I say good and not better) and my previous post already mentions most of the advantages which are somehow not getting through to you.
I'm speaking of real-world usage only as someone who has used Li-ion, NiMH, Eneloops...you name it for 6 years now. Tell me something, have you used both of these cameras to speak of "real-world" usage? Or are your copy-pasting reviews and taking in what the dpreviewers and the rest complain after examining 100% crops?
Just because you own the camera doesn't make every other camera redundant. You made a good decision for sure.
Payne
PS: No, Canon is not dumb to use AA batteries. It saves cost of bundling a rechargeable Li-ion battery with a charger with the camera. You, the consumer, have to spend more (atleast 1-1.5k) on a quality charger + battery to add to the cost. Go figure, my friend.
I can harp on and on about why the TZ is a good choice too (see how I say good and not better) and my previous post already mentions most of the advantages which are somehow not getting through to you.
I'm speaking of real-world usage only as someone who has used Li-ion, NiMH, Eneloops...you name it for 6 years now. Tell me something, have you used both of these cameras to speak of "real-world" usage? Or are your copy-pasting reviews and taking in what the dpreviewers and the rest complain after examining 100% crops?
Just because you own the camera doesn't make every other camera redundant. You made a good decision for sure.
Payne
PS: No, Canon is not dumb to use AA batteries. It saves cost of bundling a rechargeable Li-ion battery with a charger with the camera. You, the consumer, have to spend more (atleast 1-1.5k) on a quality charger + battery to add to the cost. Go figure, my friend.
thetoxicmind
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-D.Payne- said:@fahd: As I've already said, there's no need to argue. There is no black and white when it comes to cameras is what I'm trying to say.
I can harp on and on about why the TZ is a good choice too (see how I say good and not better) and my previous post already mentions most of the advantages which are somehow not getting through to you.
I'm speaking of real-world usage only as someone who has used Li-ion, NiMH, Eneloops...you name it for 6 years now. Tell me something, have you used both of these cameras to speak of "real-world" usage? Or are your copy-pasting reviews and taking in what the dpreviewers and the rest complain after examining 100% crops?
Just because you own the camera doesn't make every other camera redundant. You made a good decision for sure.
Payne
PS: No, Canon is not dumb to use AA batteries. It saves cost of bundling a rechargeable Li-ion battery with a charger with the camera. You, the consumer, have to spend more (atleast 1-1.5k) on a quality charger + battery to add to the cost. Go figure, my friend.
Well said mate !
Wonder why magnet hasn't replied yet..
Guess he must have bought it by now !?
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