C1E Enhanced Halt State after overclock?

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windhawk91

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As the topic says, should I enable C1E Enhanced Halt State after I'm done overclocking my CPU? It lowers the multiplier from 8X to 6X when idle. I am asking this because, when voltage is on auto it automatically reduces voltage from 1.3V to 1.2V at idle condition (with the 6X multiplier) but I have kept a fixed voltage in BIOS now that I've overclocked the CPU. So, will it still reduce the voltage under idle condition (with 6X multiplier) or will it remain 1.3V even when multiplier is reduced to 6X (thus overvoltaging my CPU)?
 
^^^You need both C1E and EIST on to lower the multi and the voltage. And it works even when you have specified the voltage in bios.
 
thebanik said:
^^^You need both C1E and EIST on to lower the multi and the voltage. And it works even when you have specified the voltage in bios.

H@cKer said:
I dont think both shd be enabled on an overclocked system or while overclocking a system.

Who's right here? :S
 
enable it and see if its stable...if it is , then its fine

mostly it will be stable... i have it enabled too :)

hacker is wrong at this :bleh:
 
+1. If you enable it and everything is stable then do so :) I run it like that all the time. Why not save power wen u can ;)

For some ppl it might cause instability, esp if ur pushing the chip to the edge. In that case u ll need to disable it.
 
^^^Yes that would be ideal, but if its not stable, at max you will have to up the voltage a notch and that will be it....back to stable state.
 
do this -

assume U overclocked UR E6420 to 400x8, ie @ idle 400x6, see volt @ idle in everest.

Now set 400x6 in BIOS and set such Vcore in BIOS so that volt under load it should be exactly as idle 1 w/ 400x8.

Run orthos now.
 
SidhuPunjab said:
do this -

assume U overclocked UR E6420 to 400x8, ie @ idle 400x6, see volt @ idle in everest.

Now set 400x6 in BIOS and set such Vcore in BIOS so that volt under load it should be exactly as idle 1 w/ 400x8.

Run orthos now.

But, just wondering why would I need to check for stability at idle? Anyways while doing anything CPU intensive multiplier will become 8x.

@all

I have one more weird question related to overclocking. I have 1st overclocked my memory (RAM) to 776 MHz, tested stable with Memtest86 for 18 hrs. After that, I overclocked my CPU from 2.1 GHz to 2.8 GHz. So, now do I have to check for RAM stability again?

EDIT (Overclock update):

I overclocked from 2.8 to 3.1 GHz. It wasn't booting up on default voltage, so I increased VTT from 1.2 to 1.3. It still wouldn't boot up so I increased SPP from 1.2 to 1.3. Then, it booted up so I decreased VTT back to 1.2 and kept SPP at 1.3 and YAY!! it booted up xD. So, now I'm checking with Prime95 for stability. Just wanted to ask that say I increase voltage of a component although it is not needing that extra voltage, will the extra voltage burn my component (if its not using that voltage and assuming even with the extra voltage, voltage is under max safe limit)?
 
It is recommended to keep voltages as LOW as possible while still getting stability. More voltages mean shortening the life of ur chip. While small changes may not affect much except in the very long term, higher voltages can shorten life spans :)

+ more power consumed by the setup as well, small though the difference may be ;)
 
^^for maximum life, you should ideally set all voltages to the lowest possible values :)

what i would do is this ::

choose upper limits of voltages, and set all the voltages to those limits

now overclock as far as you want

and now test stability and reduce voltages a notch...keep doing this till you find it gets unstable, and go to the last stable setting... hence leading to the lowest stable volts
 
techie_007 said:
It is recommended to keep voltages as LOW as possible while still getting stability. More voltages mean shortening the life of ur chip. While small changes may not affect much except in the very long term, higher voltages can shorten life spans :)

+ more power consumed by the setup as well, small though the difference may be ;)
Well, my computer wont boot up on 1.2 SPP voltage and on my motherboard after 1.2 its directly 1.3 so I guess I don't have a choice :P

_pappu_ said:
^^for maximum life, you should ideally set all voltages to the lowest possible values :)
what i would do is this ::

choose upper limits of voltages, and set all the voltages to those limits
now overclock as far as you want
and now test stability and reduce voltages a notch...keep doing this till you find it gets unstable, and go to the last stable setting... hence leading to the lowest stable volts
I don't have to do tat since all my components gettin OC'd on default voltages :ohyeah:
 
Hey guys, my PC ran stable for 12 hrs prime. Then, I decided to do a blend test with OCCT and after about 4 hrs my PC hung. After restart everything was normal again though. Any idea why? Was it maybe because I was running 3 temp monitoring softwares at the same time? :S
 
thebanik said:
^^^You need both C1E and EIST on to lower the multi and the voltage. And it works even when you have specified the voltage in bios.

even if one of them is working the voltages and multipliers are lowered and if EIST is turned on it lowers performance:ohyeah:

EIST:

"What EIST does is very similar to AMD's Cool'n'Quiet. It is demand based reduction in CPU clock speed and voltage. Using the same mechanism of adjusting clock speed and voltage, based on the application demand, the processor will dynamically increase/decrease its clock speed between its minimum clock and its normal operating frequency, as well as voltage, in order to optimize for power consumption.

Because of the way EIST (and AMD's Cool'n'Quiet) works, there's inherently a drop in performance. The idea is this: if you're performing a task that's not using 100% of the CPU, the CPU will operate at a slightly reduced frequency in order to conserve power. So, while some tasks will require that the system run at full speed, others will run at lower speeds. "

C1E - Enhanced Halt State

"Whenever the OS executes the halt instruction, the CPU enters what is known as the halt state. Architecturally, what's going on in a halt state is the clock signal is shut off to the CPU for some period of time. With no clock signal, none of the logic in the chip will do anything and thus power consumption is reduced. Performance is also significantly reduced; however, the halt instruction isn't usually called during application usage, so the performance aspects of the halt state aren't very important.

The problem with the halt state is that it does nothing to reduce voltage, only current draw by stopping clocks from going to the CPU. Since Power varies linearly with both current and voltage (P = I * V), you're effectively only addressing half of the problem. The Enhanced Halt State, as Intel calls it, does two things: it reduces the clock speed of the CPU by decreasing the clock multiplier down to its minimum value (on the EE 965 series, that's 14x, or 2.8GHz), then reducing the voltage. The clock speed is reduced and then the voltage is dropped, to maintain stability.

Intel insists that the enhanced halt state is a significantly lower power state than the conventional halt state, thanks to the reduction in voltage in addition to the reduction in clock speed. While the standard halt state causes a linear reduction in power, Intel's enhanced halt state causes an exponential decrease in power, potentially offering better power savings than the standard halt state. The real world impact obviously depends on how idle your system happens to be."

@pappu I still hv to learn a lot from u guyzz
 
H@cKer said:
even if one of them is working the voltages and multipliers are lowered and if EIST is turned on it lowers performance:ohyeah:

@pappu I still hv to learn a lot from u guyzz

t shows that U need to learn ;)

EIST does NOT lower performance :P

It lowers speed ONLY wen ur CPU is idle :P

The minute theres any task that requires CPU, the CPU is back a full speed :)
 
windhawk91 said:
But, I guess its more stable with just C1E enabled. Please correct my assumption if its wrong?

Nothin like 'more stable' or less stable mate. It either is or it isnt ;)

Basically, unless ur going for insane clocks or something that seriously stresses ur hardware, ur fine leaving it enabled.
 
techie_007 said:
Nothin like 'more stable' or less stable mate. It either is or it isnt ;)

Basically, unless ur going for insane clocks or something that seriously stresses ur hardware, ur fine leaving it enabled.

Ok thanks :)
I will enable both then :P

P.S.: Looks like the pros of techenclave are noticing my thread :clap:
 
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