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rohan_mhtr
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Re: Can this PSU handle this?
Dude that was a typpo , but even made me laugh afterwards so i am not editing it !!
I was writting that post nice late at night after watching sum gud old po*n !! i was sleepy , what do u expect .
Gannu said:
Dude that was a typpo , but even made me laugh afterwards so i am not editing it !!
I was writting that post nice late at night after watching sum gud old po*n !! i was sleepy , what do u expect .
BIKeINSTEIN
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Re: Can this PSU handle this?
To anyone out there-
If i need to use a 4870 1GB or a GTX260 or anything that requires 2x PCIe connectors, i will use a decent/good/best psu which comes with at least 2x PCIe connectors native.
So make that something similar to at least a CM real power pro 550w, Corsair VX550 and the likes and the higher ups.
That's me. I am not asking/insisting/demanding/commanding/... you to do the same.
Apni akal lagao, apni kismat/nateejaa bhhugto. (use your own mind/inteligence, endure your own destiny/fate/'result of your actions')
I am not telling anyone what to buy- some people are doomed to learn out of their won mistakes- will never "listen".
listening doesn't mean aping/follwoing blindly. it means keenly absorbing inputs (and using itand making your own confirmed decision from it.)
A CM extreme power 600w (the one of 2007/2008 fame) did come with 2x PCIe connectors and was supposedly SLi certified but ...
you fail to understand or read up before you retort.
Can you please tell me one major issue in the extreme power 600w stock sold here?
(Hint: Google and check how many extreme power 600s were there. it wasn't just one model)
Not at one place in this thrd i have suggested to buy a VX450.
The CM600 vx VX450 was a 2 yr old issue that just drags on when someone pops up with an extreme power query.
(1) No one said that- everyone has to buy within budget but people generally splurge on everything else but the psu that powers 100% of their investment.
Most don't have a budget for a psu but look at using whatever they have or buy the cheapest one out there.
(2) CM 600 was dangerous for the basic rig too- i am not interested in repeating myseklf after ages if you haven't known the issue coz you fail to understand or read up before you retort.
(3) And will do so till they are informed by knowlegeable/experienced users and then decide for themselves what is right or wrong.
(you can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink. dunno about the donkey)
(4) Not one place have i have said CM as a company/manufacturer is bad. Don't read more than what is said/posted.
In fact a good member is always against brand bashing and none of our members have done so. Everywhere, only the extreme power series have been cursed, especially the one launched in India.
But if you have been following h/w for sometime, one can easily note CM overrates their psus quite a lot.
(5)Please do not be overtly melodramtic- where did anyone say that "all your bases switch to best psu in the world"? :rofl:
But i am sure there must be things you upgraded from when you learnt of better or more vfm things or more prudent investments from forums/elders/peers/advertisements/...
Plus i don't want to sound like i support Corsair or something- very possible that yours had a genuine problem or you had one with it.
about Seventeam, it's a popular brand, esp was with OCers in SG/HK/Taiwan iirc, and guess what- the CM600 was a sventeam 500w.
the Seventeam 450/500 watters didn't die (that frequently at least if others had bad experiences) or kill h/w but the CM extreme power 600 did.
the reasons have been well-documented earlier.
No one said CM is bad- No brand bashing from my part at least.
But general newbie tendency is CM is gaming stuff maker and for them every CM offering is "premium" stuff.
Like what commercial Sony music systems etc are.
Just like a Sony mini-compo is the works for an audio-n00b, any CM psu is the works too for some.
And you being an audio expert will know there is so much more to sound and especially quality.
same with psus dada and i know you know that too.
But what did you test rails with?
11.8-1..9 need not be bad unless for other factors.
When it comes to psus, especially handling more devices, there is a reason they have a single PCIe connector and only 6x SATA connectors?
Is handling HDDs only a job for mr.12v rail in psus with native SATA connectors?
mr.3.3v rail has no significance? (mr.5v rail is bit underworked these days iirc)
I know an instance where a guy ran a Q9450 OCed to 4Ghz with 2x 4870 512MB in CF and OCed too and 3dmarks stable on a VX450. (with a few hdds, fans, optical drives etc)
But only an idiot will use that as an example to show how good the VX450 is and how much it can provide.
imho that chap was pretty much kamikaze with the psu.
would be so interesting too tell the boss- "i was xyz, what do you expect?: :lol:
'larson and turbo' and 'Larsen and Toubro'.
To anyone out there-
If i need to use a 4870 1GB or a GTX260 or anything that requires 2x PCIe connectors, i will use a decent/good/best psu which comes with at least 2x PCIe connectors native.
So make that something similar to at least a CM real power pro 550w, Corsair VX550 and the likes and the higher ups.
That's me. I am not asking/insisting/demanding/commanding/... you to do the same.
Apni akal lagao, apni kismat/nateejaa bhhugto. (use your own mind/inteligence, endure your own destiny/fate/'result of your actions')
I am not telling anyone what to buy- some people are doomed to learn out of their won mistakes- will never "listen".
listening doesn't mean aping/follwoing blindly. it means keenly absorbing inputs (and using itand making your own confirmed decision from it.)
A CM extreme power 600w (the one of 2007/2008 fame) did come with 2x PCIe connectors and was supposedly SLi certified but ...
toxicmind sir- you make many assumptions and speculate too much.thetoxicmind said:Here's the thing.
Not everyone can walk to the nearest store and buy a PSU for 3.5K, (1) inspite of it being a good investment.
My earlier comment was directed as a general perspective and not with respect to the OP's exact requirements.The BOLD text was to highlight my point, if the member was to simply skim through my post.
Now, the CM 600W model has warranted itself a bad reputation, under specific circumstances. It maybe unreliable in powering a rig with a power-hungry graphics card but not necessarily for a basic rig.(2)
I mean, there might be thousands who continue to use the exact same model without any problems whatsoever.(3)
What gets me even more, is the brand bashing (4) part of it just because one particular model turned out to be a bad apple.I'm sure a sizable number continue to have a good experience with their CM PSUs, the same with other major brands.
Again, The main intention of my earlier post was to clear the hostility rather indifference towards other brands, simply because there exists the Corsair PSU.
He'd rather have left it at a suggestion for OP and an accompanying reason instead of condemning another brand(s).
In India, lakhs of people still run their systems on generic PSUs, so are you saying they should all make a switch to the best PSU in the world,(5) in this case the Corsair VX450? Agreed, it's a good piece of hardware but there are other good options, at different price points to be considered in general.
Hope you understand my intention here.
This clearly isn't a Corsair Vs. CM debate.
@amitjakhar
Sorry about the OT mate.
Had to bring it up.
you fail to understand or read up before you retort.
Can you please tell me one major issue in the extreme power 600w stock sold here?
(Hint: Google and check how many extreme power 600s were there. it wasn't just one model)
Not at one place in this thrd i have suggested to buy a VX450.
The CM600 vx VX450 was a 2 yr old issue that just drags on when someone pops up with an extreme power query.
(1) No one said that- everyone has to buy within budget but people generally splurge on everything else but the psu that powers 100% of their investment.
Most don't have a budget for a psu but look at using whatever they have or buy the cheapest one out there.
(2) CM 600 was dangerous for the basic rig too- i am not interested in repeating myseklf after ages if you haven't known the issue coz you fail to understand or read up before you retort.
(3) And will do so till they are informed by knowlegeable/experienced users and then decide for themselves what is right or wrong.
(you can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink. dunno about the donkey)
(4) Not one place have i have said CM as a company/manufacturer is bad. Don't read more than what is said/posted.
In fact a good member is always against brand bashing and none of our members have done so. Everywhere, only the extreme power series have been cursed, especially the one launched in India.
But if you have been following h/w for sometime, one can easily note CM overrates their psus quite a lot.
(5)Please do not be overtly melodramtic- where did anyone say that "all your bases switch to best psu in the world"? :rofl:
But i am sure there must be things you upgraded from when you learnt of better or more vfm things or more prudent investments from forums/elders/peers/advertisements/...
LBM sir, i am not gonna debate with you for my own good.low_bass_makker said:I agree with TOXIC here. It is not always a single product which makes the whole brand bad. When I buy hardware I see what type of service back is there in case of any problem. What is the warranty offered on the components I buy.
I had a 450 VX + 4870 combo. Before this I was having Seventeam 750 watts which is a server grade SMPS four years back. Here is the pic of the same..
Seventeam Electronics ????::
It had a 2 years warranty. Which when sold was just going to finish. Then I got the 450 VX which I felt has some problem running my rig which had quite a few HDD and High CFM fans. The 12 volt rail which was very good on paper and rating hovered in the lower specs like 11.8-11.9 volts on load, which I felt that I am stressing the PSU. So I got a CM 700 Real power modular, Why because it also comes with 5 year warranty. And one more thing my friend had a 750TX which got bused twices which also took the Nvidia 260. He was without a PC for a whole month due to non available of Components and fault finding sessions he had to attend. To diagnose the problem where the fault is. But now he has bought a CM 700 watts and he is happy with the result.
I also sold my 450VX just a week back because it cannot take 7 HDD discusses here in details...
http://www.techenclave.com/pc-peripherals/which-psu-153768.html
I am not bashing Corsair here but I want to say buy a product which fulfill your need which are like PRICE, WARRANTY, SERVICE and finally your LOAD:tongue:.
Plus i don't want to sound like i support Corsair or something- very possible that yours had a genuine problem or you had one with it.
about Seventeam, it's a popular brand, esp was with OCers in SG/HK/Taiwan iirc, and guess what- the CM600 was a sventeam 500w.
the Seventeam 450/500 watters didn't die (that frequently at least if others had bad experiences) or kill h/w but the CM extreme power 600 did.
the reasons have been well-documented earlier.
No one said CM is bad- No brand bashing from my part at least.
But general newbie tendency is CM is gaming stuff maker and for them every CM offering is "premium" stuff.
Like what commercial Sony music systems etc are.
Just like a Sony mini-compo is the works for an audio-n00b, any CM psu is the works too for some.
And you being an audio expert will know there is so much more to sound and especially quality.
same with psus dada and i know you know that too.
But what did you test rails with?
11.8-1..9 need not be bad unless for other factors.
When it comes to psus, especially handling more devices, there is a reason they have a single PCIe connector and only 6x SATA connectors?
Is handling HDDs only a job for mr.12v rail in psus with native SATA connectors?
mr.3.3v rail has no significance? (mr.5v rail is bit underworked these days iirc)
I know an instance where a guy ran a Q9450 OCed to 4Ghz with 2x 4870 512MB in CF and OCed too and 3dmarks stable on a VX450. (with a few hdds, fans, optical drives etc)
But only an idiot will use that as an example to show how good the VX450 is and how much it can provide.
imho that chap was pretty much kamikaze with the psu.
Ohh- hope a similar excuse helps you sail out of a tight spot at work someday.rohan_mhtr said:
would be so interesting too tell the boss- "i was xyz, what do you expect?: :lol:
'larson and turbo' and 'Larsen and Toubro'.
rohan_mhtr
Forerunner
Re: Can this PSU handle this?
I dont need excuses to get out of any situations since there are many of my coworkers in TE itself and tell me why the hell your going fussing about cm vs corsair , tell me a single person in this thread who recommended the op his current psu . Or is it you want every1 to use vx450 .
As i said earlier not all can afford ridding mercedes benz or there wont have been a company called maruti . And finally no need to post again in this thread if its regarding cm vs corsair !!
That was what i said earlier if u read back that vx450 has a single pcie connector and so some guys like sorcer or soccer... whateva went haywire without reading the full post . comments like newbees are newbees , sh*t , bullsh*t etc . All TDF members are dumbo and shud be castrated , what the hell was wrong with him !!
And this thread has really made me popular , sum TE members who i never knew worked with me came to look for me as if i never existed and also recieved 7-8 PM's regarding this .
BIKeINSTEIN said:Ohh- hope a similar excuse helps you sail out of a tight spot at work someday.
would be so interesting too tell the boss- "i was xyz, what do you expect?: :lol:
'larson and turbo' and 'Larsen and Toubro'.
I dont need excuses to get out of any situations since there are many of my coworkers in TE itself and tell me why the hell your going fussing about cm vs corsair , tell me a single person in this thread who recommended the op his current psu . Or is it you want every1 to use vx450
.As i said earlier not all can afford ridding mercedes benz or there wont have been a company called maruti . And finally no need to post again in this thread if its regarding cm vs corsair !!
BIKeINSTEIN said:To anyone out there-
If i need to use a 4870 1GB or a GTX260 or anything that requires 2x PCIe connectors, i will use a decent/good/best psu which comes with at least 2x PCIe connectors native.
So make that something similar to at least a CM real power pro 550w, Corsair VX550 and the likes and the higher ups.
That was what i said earlier if u read back that vx450 has a single pcie connector and so some guys like sorcer or soccer... whateva went haywire without reading the full post . comments like newbees are newbees , sh*t , bullsh*t etc . All TDF members are dumbo and shud be castrated , what the hell was wrong with him !!
And this thread has really made me popular , sum TE members who i never knew worked with me came to look for me as if i never existed and also recieved 7-8 PM's regarding this .
BIKeINSTEIN said:toxicmind sir- you make many assumptions and speculate too much.
you fail to understand or read up before you retort.
Can you please tell me one major issue in the extreme power 600w stock sold here?
(Hint: Google and check how many extreme power 600s were there. it wasn't just one model)
Not at one place in this thrd i have suggested to buy a VX450.
The CM600 vx VX450 was a 2 yr old issue that just drags on when someone pops up with an extreme power query.
(1) No one said that- everyone has to buy within budget but people generally splurge on everything else but the psu that powers 100% of their investment.
Most don't have a budget for a psu but look at using whatever they have or buy the cheapest one out there.
(2) CM 600 was dangerous for the basic rig too- i am not interested in repeating myseklf after ages if you haven't known the issue coz you fail to understand or read up before you retort.
(3) And will do so till they are informed by knowlegeable/experienced users and then decide for themselves what is right or wrong.
(you can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink. dunno about the donkey)
(4) Not one place have i have said CM as a company/manufacturer is bad. Don't read more than what is said/posted.
In fact a good member is always against brand bashing and none of our members have done so. Everywhere, only the extreme power series have been cursed, especially the one launched in India.
But if you have been following h/w for sometime, one can easily note CM overrates their psus quite a lot.
(5)Please do not be overtly melodramtic- where did anyone say that "all your bases switch to best psu in the world"? :rofl:
But i am sure there must be things you upgraded from when you learnt of better or more vfm things or more prudent investments from forums/elders/peers/advertisements/...
stalker said:
Guys, you fail to see the generalized:S message I was trying to put through. I wasn't particularly pointing to the CM 600 rather giving it as an example for what I was trying to convey.
I'm not calling you a corsair rep., instead asking you and others in general, to have an open mind about the suggestions made and not restrict the OP to a single option, irrespective of whether that option is feasible or not.
If members are only going to suggest one option, what choice or decision is left to the OP??? Instead give the OP a few informed choices and let him decide. Get my drift?
That was an implication, obviously no one made such a statement.
In conclusion, my first post was only directed at this statement:
Agreed the CM600 was a joke but condemning the entire extreme series of PSUs is uncalled for...
An eg: I've seen so many TE members(me included) running the CM460 without any issues and this was and still is one of the best budget PSUs for a basic-moderate rig.
You see how the above statement tarnishes the reputation for other products in this series?
Too bad this took a wrong turn, so let's all settle down and help out.
Cheers,
T.T.M
Cut some slack guys - OP needs a solution. Maybe we should debate on this issue elsewhere.
I suggest the OP not to go with the CM EP460W for the aforementioned system - you're jeopardising your investment. Sell the PSU somewhere (or perhaps in TE Market if you meet the criteria) and get a better power supply. Let us know how much you're willing to invest in a newer PSU and we shall suggest you a replacement.
I suggest the OP not to go with the CM EP460W for the aforementioned system - you're jeopardising your investment. Sell the PSU somewhere (or perhaps in TE Market if you meet the criteria) and get a better power supply. Let us know how much you're willing to invest in a newer PSU and we shall suggest you a replacement.
BIKeINSTEIN
Herald
:Srohan_mhtr said:
I have said a zillion times, it's a 2 yr old issue. You guys are fighting amongst yourselves.rohan_mhtr said:
http://www.techenclave.com/1342825-post39.htmlrohan_mhtr said:Or is it you want every1 to use vx450
As i said earlier not all can afford ridding mercedes benz or there wont have been a company called maruti .
Reply to toxicmind, in it's entirety, is applicable to you too and everyone else partaking in this discussion.
So please read other posts before you reply.
You telling moi?? ^orohan_mhtr said:
You appear no less arrogant and ill-behaved. :cool2:rohan_mhtr said:
wow- sounds like you just hatched- congrats.rohan_mhtr said:
Bad example but it's ok. You just kept repeating that may be one-off incident or only if overworked, etc.thetoxicmind said:
So the discussion lkept dragging on. sorry.
Open mind TTM- I have assembled rigs (you may say 'used to' now) almost on a daily basis, for free as a hobby/charity to help the genuine/needy, and the psu train here goes all the way from powersafe 400 to HX1000- almost everything that was launched locally.thetoxicmind said:
Also there has been a certain no no on certain spsus out of experience of not just me but many.
But that doesn't make me an expert by anyway.
We all learn and have to learn on a day-to-day basis.
People will suggest whatever seems best to them.
Didn't we have "CM extreme power 600; go for it/i have it too" type of guys too.
In the end, it's the OPs luck (wrt to who all reply to the query) and his decision.
stupid questions get stupid answers.
eg. Many people don't post a budget while asking and many reply w/o asking for one. :S
Somewill ask abt gpu but will not feel it necessary to post the rest ofthe rig specs or even have it in their sig. :S
So asking the right question is very important too as not all or rarely some take time off to say more than what is asked for.
Maybe not here but in general, people won't and shouldn't suggest everything out there just cause we have to allow the OP to take a pick.thetoxicmind said:
That can be done at the shopping site.
It's but natural and but obvious for one person to have one main choice.
OP's bad/good luck if all the replies are same. :cool2:
So why only Tagan- We have Silverstone, FSP, Antec, ...
So should some start posting everey name available locally so that buyer has achoice? :S
The buyer has to quote a budget and then people may suggest to save/spend a lil more and get something optimal/feasible in that price range.
Unfortunately, especially in India, users have very limited exposure to variety and even opinions are quite biased.
Very much biased towards what has been owned/own and can't blame them either.
But what is wrong is to potray that limited nowledge as expertise in that field.
Aren't Nikon/Sony 3x optical digicams with XY megapixels the most popular and most recommended?
Has the MX5021 been the one most recommended 2.1 set locally, for no reason?
Nothing took a bad turn imho.thetoxicmind said:Too bad this took a wrong turn, so let's all settle down and help out.
Cheers,
T.T.M
People have discussed and will keep discussing technical stuff on war-footing and that should have no bearing on perception of others in general.
That is something that TE used to be famous for, esp in 2005-2006.
People used to fight tooth and nail over their beliefs/assumptions and seem to be sworn enemies but still be best of friends.
If some (and many now) are immature, it can't be helped.
It's statements like "I am the salesman of XYZ, so i know more" that's so hilarious.
@BIKeINSTEIN
Alright mate.
Guess, you did get what I was trying to say after all.
Let's wind up before you sling it too far.
Cheers.
Alright mate.
Guess, you did get what I was trying to say after all.
Let's wind up before you sling it too far.
Cheers.
Re: Can this PSU handle this?
Both the Mr 12 and Mr 5 are responsible for the HDD to run. Even if the PSU has 6 sata connectors but have 4 or more molex for the cd drives I can anyday use them for running satadrive or cdrom (which will consume more current than a HDD)
Also the setup in which the 450VX was installed had nothing attached to it. No keyboard, mouse, GFX nothing. So the 12 volt rails was very much Idle. But then again the 5 volt rail did not took the challenge of running 7 hdd.
I used a multimeter to measure the voltage of the 12 volt and 5 volt rails. So I think I know what I am doing.
He is a detailed discussion done here...
http://www.techenclave.com/pc-peripherals/which-psu-153768-4.html
BIKeINSTEIN said:
Both the Mr 12 and Mr 5 are responsible for the HDD to run. Even if the PSU has 6 sata connectors but have 4 or more molex for the cd drives I can anyday use them for running satadrive or cdrom (which will consume more current than a HDD)
Also the setup in which the 450VX was installed had nothing attached to it. No keyboard, mouse, GFX nothing. So the 12 volt rails was very much Idle. But then again the 5 volt rail did not took the challenge of running 7 hdd.
I used a multimeter to measure the voltage of the 12 volt and 5 volt rails. So I think I know what I am doing.
He is a detailed discussion done here...
http://www.techenclave.com/pc-peripherals/which-psu-153768-4.html
@nitari
nopes pls dont... i had amd 9550, 4850, many fans n rest of the load... cm 600 never failed me... my old trusted cm was replaced by tx750 n what lovely fiasco i ended up (replaced thrice in 8 months ...whole story ,,,can tell u later) ...
back to cm 700 real power now and life is good
nopes pls dont... i had amd 9550, 4850, many fans n rest of the load... cm 600 never failed me... my old trusted cm was replaced by tx750 n what lovely fiasco i ended up (replaced thrice in 8 months ...whole story ,,,can tell u later) ...
back to cm 700 real power now and life is good
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