Forum Feedback Can someone please Define the Law followed on TE?

[Neo-N]

I post this thread with due respect to the Moderators, Administrators and Staff of TE. I love TE and I am just making a simple point as my post will further explain.

So, I had enough doses on Law and Legality here on TE yesterday.

I decided to check the legality of some of the threads on TE in the light of TE Guidelines and Forum Rules.



The base for my study comes from the Forum Rules that can be found here: TechEnclave Community Rules

I make special reference to the following extract from the abovementioned Forum Rules:

The 7th Commandment of TE: Do not participate in discussions promoting piracy.

I found threads that are rampantly flouting the 7th commandment of TE:

http://www.techenclave.com/internet-talk/post-screenshots-ratio-proof-get-invite-125923.html

The above thread spans about 88 pages and has about 1,306 Replies as on date.

Commonly used and referred sites in the above thread includes Bitgamer, demonoid, HDbits, sceneHD, bitsHDTV, torrentbit.ro, bwtorrents, desitorrents, saintsinners, bitsHD, sceneaccess, waffles, RevTT, stmusic, TV torrents etc.

And one whole Sub Section devoted to flouting the 7th Commandment here: http://www.techenclave.com/p2p/

My Arguments:

The abovementioned thread is specifically used to share invites for torrent tracking sites that obviously have pirated content on it. Hell, some members have even stated the stuff that they have downloaded from such sites. What’s more, others even go so far as to post screenshots clearly showing the pirated movies and games available for download on such sites.

And the posts belong not just to the usual members, some of the so called senior members with high reps and even Moderators have posts on the threads.

I would like to quote Aces170 here (with due Respect to him):

We are a clean forum here, any sort of illegal activity or any discussion encouraging one will be dealt with bans.

The Obvious Defense:

Well, the obvious defense will be that the Torrent Sites are being used for downloading Legit stuff only. Freeware and Personal data shares!!

Secondly, TE cannot be responsible for the stuff that people do on the Bittorrent sites. It is beyond the purview of TE.

AGREED... On Both counts. :hap2:

But, Can anyone be kind enough to post screenshots of having downloaded only freeware or Personal data from any of the abovementioned sites??

People who cannot justify their claims with proof have the right to remain silent.

What I have to say:

I am not saying that the TE Mods or Admins have been wrong in allowing the above threads and discussions; illegal discussions if I may call them.

I am not pointing a finger at the Mods or Admins; in fact, I trust them and have full faith in them. I have seen the absolute sense of justice that prevails in their minds during my days here on TE. Special thanx to apollyon.

So, if I am saying anything, I am just saying that the law should be equal for all and the justice done should be equal for equal offences.

If discussions about driving a vehicle without a driving license are not encouraged on TE, why are discussions about piracy encouraged (and even provided separate sections for) on TE?



TE Members, DO NOT post any of your views here unless you can justify them.

Supporters of the P2P Section, unless you have conclusive evidence to show that the P2P Section is clean, DO NOT utter a word here.



@ TE Mods and Admins:

I am not creating a revolt here. I have read the TE Guidelines really well and I am sure I am not flouting any rule in making this post.

I am also aware that you are at liberty to ban me and I have no right to ask you for a reason. Even if I do ask for a reason, you are under no obligation to provide one.

But please do note that banning me or deleting this thread solves no purpose. The Truth cannot be deleted or banned. And you really know what the truth is.

Finally, I would like to mention that ‘Unequal Law is no Law at all’.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Buddy, rather than making threads like these you should rather report posts/threads which you think violate TE rules, only create a thread when a certain reported post which clearly and indubitably violated a rule and no action was taken against that post/thread.

OR rather then creating a thread for it (specially in GT) PM a relevant staff member regarding an instance wherein a reported post had no action taken against it.
Such threads wont do any good.

 

[Neo-N]

Buddy, rather than making threads like these you should rather report posts/threads which you think violate TE rules, only create a thread when a certain reported post which clearly and indubitably violated a rule and no action was taken against that post/thread.

I read that in the Forum Rules you know...

But I simply don't understand how and when (if at all) I'll be able to report the 1,306 Posts and another Section full of similar posts.

 

[Mephistopheles]

^PM a relevant staff member regarding it, if there is no response then open a thread as a last resort.

And a single post (usually the OP) can be reported instead of reporting individual posts if you reckon the whole thread violates TE rules or multiple posts in it do it.

 

[Neo-N]

^PM a relevant staff member regarding it, if there is no response then open a thread as a last resort.

Well to be truthful, I am not really keen on getting any thread or section on TE deleted on the grounds as stated above.

My only point is that the Law should be unbiased. Justice should be pure and Injustice should not be cloaked under the false skin of Justice.

 

[Amarbir]

^PM a relevant staff member regarding it, if there is no response then open a thread as a last resort.

And a single post (usually the OP) can be reported instead of reporting individual posts if you reckon the whole thread violates TE rules or multiple posts in it do it.

Well Shivam ,

When is That Followed .If This Was Followed There Would Have Been No Thread On Me Lately And Resolution Still Would Have Been Done .Leaving That Apart What He is Stating Is Something He Has Observed and i believe that he has seen it better then you and me both cos he wrote all what he saw And Is Asking a Question ? .

 

[letmein]

Oh boy, another nehal thread. :clap::clap:

 

[Neo-N]

Oh boy, another nehal thread. :clap::clap:

I specifically requested TE Members NOT to post anything unless they can justify their views. This is not the General Talk Section you see.

What more do you want?? That I send you all an advance intimation specifically informing you that you NEED NOT post in a thread without purpose??

Sorry to say but Your post indicates that you don't understand the intensity of the thread... Why bother posting here then??

 

[Mephistopheles]

Well Shivam ,

When is That Followed .If This Was Followed There Would Have Been No Thread On Me Lately And Resolution Still Would Have Been Done .Leaving That Apart What He is Stating Is Something He Has Observed and i believe that he has seen it better then you and me both cos he wrote all what he saw And Is Asking a Question ? .

Sir

That is why I said create a thread if there is no response from the staff or no action was taken on something you reported and it incontrovertibly violates TE policies/rules

My only point is that the Law should be unbiased. Justice should be pure and Injustice should not be cloaked under the false skin of Justice.

Well you cant change how people think and perceive things specially in an open public forum, but yeah the staff should be unbiased irrespective of who action needs to be taken for/against

 

[Neo-N]

Well you cant change how people think and perceive things specially in an open public forum, but yeah the staff should be unbiased irrespective of who/what demands action for/against.

Exactly. And so far, I have seen that the Staff has been unbiased and lawful in their work here on TE. I mentioned that in the opening post as well.



I don't intend to say that I am clean. I have never participated in the P2P Section (not even a single post) but that doesn't make me any cleaner than those who have participated.

But the issue remains: Why don't we have justice everywhere on the forum??

If people ask about downloading HD movies from Bittorrent sites, they are given suggestions and invitations. But one innocent guy asks about driving a vehicle without a license and the entire community runs him down... Why??

 

[avi]

P2P is not illegal. Report such posts which are doing nasty business.

and yeah, everyone bashing that driving-license guy was bad. You do have a point here Neha.

 

[Party Monger]

OK so let me get this straight. You want me to prove that i have used the invites to download only legal material.

Pray, let me ask, who are you sir to ask me that? Who gave you the right to question me on what I have done off the forum?

I say i havent downloaded anything illegal, prove me wrong with proof of screen shots. Remember ACTUAL proof.

Also, GET A LIFE dude. This is lame. Stating the obvious only shows your stupidity.

 

[The Sorcerer]

Don't forget the universal law- Don't feed the trolls. Its the mating season .

 

[Mechanic]

damn nehal, you never run out of topics for threads do you?
the number of threads you've started is bigger than my whole postcount in 2 years

and as sorcerer said it already don't feed the trolls

 

[Neo-N]

OK so let me get this straight. You want me to prove that i have used the invites to download only legal material.

Pray, let me ask, who are you sir to ask me that? Who gave you the right to question me on what I have done off the forum?



I say i havent downloaded anything illegal, prove me wrong with proof of screen shots. Remember ACTUAL proof.



Also, GET A LIFE dude. This is lame. Stating the obvious only shows your stupidity.

Why should I bother let alone care what you do with your life?? And when did I ask YOU about what you have done on or off the forum??

I remember a small story of sorts:

A child opens the fridge and eats a chocolate when his mum is not at home... When his mum returns and opens the fridge, she doesn't notice the missing chocolate. She beckons the child for some entirely different reason and the child comes up and says: "Mummy, I didn't eat the chocolates..."

Stop behaving like a child. It only makes you more vulnerable. And remember, as madnav once said: Offence is not always the best Defense.

Defending oneself despite doing wrong is easy... Owning up really requires guts!!

BTW, I hope you realize who really is stupid here!!! Those who try to cheat their mind and conscience are stupid dear... really stupid!!

 

[whatsinaname]

You seem interested in 'Justice' and 'Law'. You should realise that any person is innocent until proven guilty. The onus should be on the accuser (in this situation, You) to prove a crime has been committed. Not on the users in that sub-forum to defend themselves against some phantom crimes someone with no interest in that sub-forum wants to bring up.

 

[Neo-N]

You seem interested in 'Justice' and 'Law'. You should realise that any person is innocent until proven guilty. The onus should be on the accuser (in this situation, You) to prove a crime has been committed. Not on the users in that sub-forum to defend themselves against some phantom crimes someone with no interest in that sub-forum wants to bring up.

A person is presumed innocent unless proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Point Taken...

So, when did I demand any action against anyone?? I just pointed out that illegal activities are rampant on the forum and they are not being taken note of. That's it!!

To understand any case, you need to understand the Prayer... My Prayer does not want the people participating in the P2P section to be punished. My prayer is only that equal justice be done throughout the forum...

Sorry to state... You got a flawed theory!!

 

[whatsinaname]

A person is presumed innocent unless proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Point Taken...

So, when did I demand any action against anyone?? I just pointed out that illegal activities are rampant on the forum and they are not being taken note of. That's it!!

To understand any case, you need to understand the Prayer... My Prayer does not want the people participating in the P2P section to be punished. My prayer is only that equal justice be done throughout the forum...

Sorry to state... You got a flawed theory!!

I really don't understand what you are saying.

If you are not demanding action against anyone (i.e. accusing anyone), where is the inequality of Justice?

 

[CeDrIc]

I really don't understand what you are saying.

If you are not demanding action against anyone (i.e. accusing anyone), where is the inequality of Justice?

Err., I guess Nehal meant: when other members are getting infracted/punished and posts being trashed/closed in other sub-forums for not posting properly/other reasons, then why not here? When everyone knows that torrents mostly contain pirated files, why isnt any action being taken here?

 

[Neo-N]

I really don't understand what you are saying.

If you are not demanding action against anyone (i.e. accusing anyone), where is the inequality of Justice?

I am quoting myself here:

Well to be truthful, I am not really keen on getting any thread or section on TE deleted on the grounds as stated above.

My only point is that the Law should be unbiased. Justice should be pure and Injustice should not be cloaked under the false skin of Justice.

The purpose of this thread is not to get other threads deleted or other members proven guilty...

The purpose is only to put forth the fact that some activities that are illegal are allowed on TE and yet some other activities that are not legal either (if I may say so) like asking about driving a vehicle without a license are looked down upon here on TE. Why this sort of legal inequality??

Hope you understand now. I only need to know why 2 illegal issues (one seemingly illegal and the other obviously illegal) are not treated alike?

As for the assumption that the Bittorrent sites are being used for Piracy, you, me and everyone else knows what Bittorrents are being used for...



@ CeDrIc: Thank You... You are really close to what I intend to emphasize...