(Career Advice) Come On Mates,Help Me Out Here

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GuruGulabKhatri

GuruGulabKhatri

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I Am a BA In English honors (i admit It was The BIGGEST mistake Of my life - Shifting to arts.
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i have Done the A level From DOEACC and Now I am Pursuing SCJP - Java Standard Edition 5 Programmer Certified Professional Exam (CX-310-055)

After Years of trying Finally I am thinking of giving up.Nobody Is Ready to Give me a job.All they want Is B.Techs and MCAs.
Reading all these...Do u think I Should get a job in IT sector?or just give Up?

I Have Found two options -

1.A mobile app development Course from - :: ObjectSol Academy ::, Mobile Training Center, Mobile Application Development Training Center, Mobile Application Development Training Center in India, Mobile Application Development Training Center in Kolkata, iPhone Application Development Traini

(Do u know any thing about it? Is it good?)

2.A Course from CMC - Job Guarantee Course ? CMC CJet ? Get Guaranteed Jobs!

Any Other Better Thing U Can recommend?

Please Guide me Friends....Frustration really kills
 
Well...it would be really tough to get good jobs and get promoted in IT with a B.A. degree. As companies like TCS, Wipro, CTS etc. just wants B.Tech, BCA, B.Sc.(CS), and corresponding Master Degrees.

According to Mobile Application Development course from Objectsol Technologies, it's good, and as mobile application development is emerging and industries involved in mobile application development is recruiting mobile application developers. Some of my friends did that, I too also wanted to do that, but couldn't afford the fees. As per conversation with them, they will offer you job in the same company once you complete the course, but after that everything depends upon you and how well you perform.

I did couple of courses of CMC, they are also good too.

But I can't comment about will any of them will help you to get a job. May be small companies may consider you, but as for well known-ed companies, they are not going to consider a B.A graduate in development platform, even in networking and network securities.

But...if you can grab Certifications like RHCE, RHCSS, CCNA, CCNP, and the one you tried SCJP it may help you get jobs. But there will also be a doubt, as big companies clearly mentions 60% or above throughout whole academic session, HS with PCM and B.Tech, BCA, MCA etc.

But there is nothing like Guaranteed Jobs, they will just send you for interviews but cracking it completely depends on you.
 
since you dont have any technical background it will be difficult for you to get a job on the basis of your graduation degree. But you can do expertisation in your liking field like java.

One of my friend has done BA and done CCIE (Networking). Now he is earning 1.1 lakhs /month. He is in cisco.
 
Hmmm......

U still have age on ur side.... considering u r only 20, u can even opt for the MCA programs from ICFAI.

Don't run after a job so early in life..... For experience it is ok.... but if u want to start earning, it is not really a good option.

All the Best mate. :)
 
BA Hons in English has demand in other areas, like GRE / CAT coaching. Another alternative is to take up something like a trainer / tutor for BPO staff. If you have good command over the language, and a knack for explaining things, this is a great (and well paying) career
 
nehaladsul said:
Hmmm......

U still have age on ur side.... considering u r only 20, u can even opt for the MCA programs from ICFAI.

Don't run after a job so early in life..... For experience it is ok.... but if u want to start earning, it is not really a good option.

All the Best mate. :)
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No way MCA, MCA needs graduate in Science stream, BCA etc. and some Universities also look for Maths in 10+2

He has no option of doing MCA becoming a B.A. Graduate. If some universities manage to do so....that degree won't be valid.
 
krishnandu said:
No way MCA, MCA needs graduate in Science stream, BCA etc. and some Universities also look for Maths in 10+2

He has no option of doing MCA becoming a B.A. Graduate. If some universities manage to do so....that degree won't be valid.
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Exactly...I tried that too..but forgot to mention....

So the bottomline is...Cracking SCJP Is the Only option To get into good companies right?

agantuk said:
BA Hons in English has demand in other areas, like GRE / CAT coaching. Another alternative is to take up something like a trainer / tutor for BPO staff. If you have good command over the language, and a knack for explaining things, this is a great (and well paying) career
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I know buddy...but i Devoted So Much time on DOEACC A level and SCJP and Did not do my MA even....

Teaching is something i do as a hobby and Because Its the most Respectful way of earning ones pocket-money....i dont plan to take It as a career

also I have Been told That I may have a job in a Good IT company if I Have Some experience in some Other (Smaller maybe) company.Then only the Experience Matters nothing else...

Is it at all true?Do U know if any of ur acquaintances Doing a job in an IT Company being an arts Graduate???
 
To be honest, most of the work done in IT companies - leaving apart the really technical ones - is mundane, and doesn't require someone with a B.Tech or B.Sc degree. However, respective managers continue to overlook and ignore this fact. So, though technically you (or anyone with a non-computers background, and some common sense) will be able to deliver in the industry, you would not be hired in the first place. Even if you do get into one of the smaller ones, it would be a hassle making the shift later on as the lack of a proper 'technical' degree would be a blot.
 
Would like to know if you want to got in IT sector only...or say comp related stuff??

If so, well I can say much..

but if not really, your english honors can take you forward if you do MA etc.. Everywhere those "english wale" are needed now days

In my college we have a communication skills subject (and its in all MP colleges too) and I found that our CSL teacher is getting decent fold of salary..

Colleges need these "English wale teachers" as they are the only one which help students perform better during placements and interview.. :P

PS : I just related it with my csl teacher coz he is also BA English honors and MA in philosophy
 
@GuruGulabKhatri Your PM inbox is full, so couldn't reply to your PM. Well..I just completed my BCA this year, and working as a Software Executive in a medium firm.

Well....as others said, you may get entry to small firms(depends upon your luck) but shifting to a big company or getting promoted would be a lot of hassle for the lack of background(err...academic qualification) even if you have experience.

As I said before, 98% of IT companies drop the criteria of B.Com, B.A. etc.

Actually if you look out you'll get few peoples who have managed to do so. But the main problem is competition is high now among today's generation. Just look out how much peoples earned B.Tech.'s few years ago and the number of B.Tech.'s pass out each year these days. These BCA, MCA were nowhere then but from few years they got introduced. All these are just because of competition.

So choosing the path after 10th board matters a lot and has become an important thing nowadays. Because you can't change your path later if you wish to. I'd better say stay in your path and domain and do what you'd like to.

As I said RHCE, CCNA, SCJP can help you, but there will be always a risk for you, no one can guarantee you a job after that. If that's the case after your certification your all hard earned moolah are simply lost. As they are career oriented courses.
 
Lo..And i had Been fighting with My Stupid-As-Sh*t Friends That i will make it on the IT industry One day. rake in a lot of dough...and Show them a golden middle finger

So Much for Passion..Zeal and Vision...

and i have To come Clean now Guys - I am Not 20 Years old..Krishnandu wud be around 2 Yrs Younger than me :)

Sorry y'all But The deception Was Only Because of The Shame

Coz u know Almost everybody here Does Something Which leads to something...

I Am So in love with tech that i didn't mind being a Sociopath...Too Bad I Realized it late...I dont visit My Stupid relatives or Rich-a$s Buddies, Coz they are just Not as nice as U People...

One Last thing guys please dont mind....

So That Mob app Course or the CMC course wud Just be another waste of Money Huh?

plz say It in My face...
 
krishnandu said:
No way MCA, MCA needs graduate in Science stream, BCA etc. and some Universities also look for Maths in 10+2

He has no option of doing MCA becoming a B.A. Graduate. If some universities manage to do so....that degree won't be valid.
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Hmmm......

The ICFAI website disagrees with you.....

Here: http://www.iutripura.edu.in/programs.asp

Eligiblity clause states that u need to be a graduate in any stream with 45% or more aggregate marks.

Also, the same MCA program is also available as DLP with Placement Assistance.

Why would I talk without conforming.....??? :P
 
Well...my intention is not de-motivating @OP, but let's face the truth, I'm not at all saying that he can't be in the IT field, but the competition is more tough for him. There are many eg. of peoples who are working in IT without science background, but the scene was not that tougher few years ago.

Today 70% students opt for B.Tech. which lead to more production than the demand is. So the competition is really tough, and for students with non-science background is real tough.

@nehaladsul That's really wired, how can anyone offer MCA for any graduates?? As MCA syllabus strictly depends on maths that we leaned in 10+2(science), and science graduation, some portion of physics(specially electronics). Well...if this is the real case, I think @OP must verify whether he has any hope to get good job with B.A. + MCA(and also verify the value of certificate in market)

Don't know other experienced members correct me if I'm wrong....will interviewers going to believe a B.A graduate holding a MCA degree??

Again, I'm repeating getting a job is not a problem for him, but getting a good job in a medium or good company may be he need to think about it twice.

As per I saw the interview criteria in TCS, Wipro, IBM, CTS etc. they clearly mentions PCM in 10+2, Science Graduate are eligible to apply. You can verify it from respective sites for this.

@OP You can do those courses, but remember Objectsol will offer you a job with them upon completion of that course, and after that everything depends on how well you perform. Many of my friends opt for that course and they are well placed now. I too was intend to do that, but the 2months course fee was about 1000/- here in Kolkata and I couldn't afford that. As mobile development is emerging and here in India we don't have too much mobile developers at-least now as compared to other domains, the demand is high that production.

And as per what I've gain experience by giving interviews some small companies are willing to take Commerce graduates too, but Arts, I've a doubt.

Well...you can also try Web Development companies, they just see whether you are a graduate and that's it, they mainly look for ability to develop and design pages. Tech. Support is another field which also do the same, but as far I know Developer, Network Administrator, Network Security etc. these domains can be little tougher, as these needs maths background with some physics portion.

And one more thing for you don't get derived, if you want to be in IT, there are lots of ways. I never said you can't. But you just need to pick up the right way and you must have patience as you said you gave up after not getting jobs after trying few years. Look the competition is real tough for now and for you it's double. So continue your SCJP, as you can be a java web based game developer in small companies. And consider the domains I told you.

Sorry to say this, see the webpage that nehaladsul posted, it's only UGC appproved, no AICTE or nothing other approval. Correct me if I'm wrong but do verify before taking any admission there.

Got something : http://www.consumercomplaints.in/complaints/icfai-university-c22724.html
 
Well.... If it is AICTE Approval u are seeking, let me give another option:

Padmashree Dr. D. Y. Patil University, Navi Mumbai, Maharashtra which is one really famous University in Maharashtra offering a myriad of courses from engineering to medicine to pharmacy to social sciences to law and management is also offering the 3 year MCA course & eligibility for same is a 45% pass in any bachelor's degree. In case the student doesn't have a Mathematics background at 10+2, he/she is supposed to pursue and pass the CS-60 course which is prescribed by AICTE.

Now, this university is UGC & AICTE Approved. So, u see, whether a University is AICTE approved or not, ideally, they offer MCA to all graduates. The only thing is Maths at 10+2 & that is dealt with by the CS-60 course.



Other UGC & AICTE approved Universities doing the same:

1) Guru Jambheswar University of Science & Technology, Hisar, Haryana

2) GITAM Centre for Distance Learning , GITAM University, Vishakapatnam, Andhra Pradesh

3) Karpagam University, Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu

4) St.Peter's University, Chennai, Tamil nadu

5) Allahabad Agricultural Institute-Deemed University (AAI-DU), Allahabad, UP

6) Jaipur National University, Jaipur, Rajasthan

And so on..... I guess u got the wrong info about the Eligibility criterion for MCA..... ;)

Like I said before, I don't talk unless I know what I am talking. :P
 
Well....not like that...I clearly mentioned that AS FAR I KNOW.

Anyway...this seemed impossible to me in logical way. That's why I said that. I may be wrong. But logically MCA syllabus includes maths that need 10+2 math base, which is somewhat applicable for Commerce(as it includes BEBM), but in Arts?? And in MCA we have a subject Microprocessor, which includes 10+2 Physics(specially electronics) base. These are not fulfilled in 10th curriculam. So how can a student of arts can learn maths in MCA if he/she doesn't know the base of 10+2. That's the reason B.Tech, BCA, B.Sc(CS), BCS, MCA etc. are not offered to Arts students.

But it looks really wired now. Or may be my knowledge was wrong :P
 
Well considering you are at the start of your career and IT is where you want to be, why dont you do an MBA in systems. Before anyone jumps on me, yes i know mba in systems wont get him into the technical side of things, but buddy the industry demand for it is just humongous. Admit it mate, with a B.A, how far do you think you are gonna make it.

Saying that, i have a friend who did his BA from xaivers, did a course on networking and java, joined a really small firm, moved 2 yrs later to Microsoft hyd, and 3 yrs later is working at Microsoft U.S.A...

If you are sure on what you wanna do, sometimes sheer passion can really take one places.. just go for it.....
 
Take your time to understand what interests you among various option you described here.
Make a wise decision and stick with that.
Its very easy to get job if you know java but what makes it difficult is understanding java.
I hope you make up your mind and do well in future.
 
GuruGulabKhatri said:
Call Me an Idiot supreme But i Did Have PCM In 10+2
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lol....why didn't you tell that before...what's the problem then??

As suggested by @edge111hussain go for MBA(Systems), do some courses and start with a small firm. And don't get frustrated, complete your SCJP, your B.A. degree may be a problem, but if you opt for MBA, or certification courses like I said before and the SCJP that you are doing, can lead you to high path.

Go for it dude. :)

There are many ways out of you had PCM in 10+2.
 
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