CPU/Mobo Choice Between AMD X2 3600+ and E4300
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Pixel said:
yes it is the best buy no doubt, but it depends on what usage u need it for.
as he has mentioned he needs it for video encoding etc. so a e4300 is the best choice along with a msi neo which will cost him around 11.5k & within his budget. with neo u can clock the 4300 easily to 2.4ghz on a stock heatsink which will be around equivalent to a 3ghz am2. also in future if u get a heatsink for the e4300 u can easily take it to 2.8-3ghz.
this is a bit by a guy 23 yrs exp of reviewing!
The intel vs AMD Debate has been around as long as I have been in the industry now for over 23 years. Both Intel and AMD have been engineering and producing CPU's since they both came out with the jointly produced AMD/Intel 80C186 processor, back in the 80's. Through the years, Intel and AMD have both pushed the limits of CPU technology with each new generation of processor. At one time Intel lead the market with its 386 and 486 Processors and AMD took it back with even faster versions of the same processors, once again rasing the bar in performance computing. AMD has been long known for processors that enhanced Multimedia Performance and Gaming, while Intel Processors were best for Business Applications and Networking. Just recently, Intel re-gained its lead in the Processor market with the Core Duo Processors, a position that AMD held for the last several years with its low cost, high performance, 64-bit processors and Dual 64-bit Core Processors. With Intel's Quad Core Duo and AMD's Quad Core Processors coming soon, we will once again see the battle continue.
In my opinion, it comes down to what your needs are for the money you have. If you want to save a few bucks, get an AMD Processor. There is relatively no performance difference in real world applications or in about 98% of anyone's daily computing needs. If you want to spend a few bucks more for the "Latest" and "Greatest", then buy yourself an Intel processor. I have a couple of each installed in systems at home and both the AMD and Intel systems give rock solid performance for everone in the family, especially when we are gaming!
Don't get caught up in all the hype.
I wish I had a Super Charged V8 in my car, but how fast do I really need to get to the market?
The intel vs AMD Debate has been around as long as I have been in the industry now for over 23 years. Both Intel and AMD have been engineering and producing CPU's since they both came out with the jointly produced AMD/Intel 80C186 processor, back in the 80's. Through the years, Intel and AMD have both pushed the limits of CPU technology with each new generation of processor. At one time Intel lead the market with its 386 and 486 Processors and AMD took it back with even faster versions of the same processors, once again rasing the bar in performance computing. AMD has been long known for processors that enhanced Multimedia Performance and Gaming, while Intel Processors were best for Business Applications and Networking. Just recently, Intel re-gained its lead in the Processor market with the Core Duo Processors, a position that AMD held for the last several years with its low cost, high performance, 64-bit processors and Dual 64-bit Core Processors. With Intel's Quad Core Duo and AMD's Quad Core Processors coming soon, we will once again see the battle continue.
In my opinion, it comes down to what your needs are for the money you have. If you want to save a few bucks, get an AMD Processor. There is relatively no performance difference in real world applications or in about 98% of anyone's daily computing needs. If you want to spend a few bucks more for the "Latest" and "Greatest", then buy yourself an Intel processor. I have a couple of each installed in systems at home and both the AMD and Intel systems give rock solid performance for everone in the family, especially when we are gaming!
Don't get caught up in all the hype.
I wish I had a Super Charged V8 in my car, but how fast do I really need to get to the market?
I don't want to upgrade for the next 2-3 years...lol...last time in 2004 i said the same to myself but endedup having 2 systems since then( 1 intel prescott based- too hot to handle and one AMD 64 based, but of course the amd one was a forced one when the intel one died late last year)....no1 can predict the scheme of things to come in the future...2-3 years seem a long way ahead...anyways i'll try and get the eVGA board + 2GB Gskill/Corsair DDR2 667/800 RAM from US and a E4300 locally. If that doesn't work out then AMD 3600+Jetway Mobo+2GB RAM is what i guess i'd ultimately settle for.
One thing that most overclockers fail to tell ppl is the ill-effects of overclocking. Since buying a cheap processor and making it run like a costlier one seems like a nice deal, we need to consider the problems, especially ppl who want to run their machines stable and want to run it for 3yrs and longer:
1.) You need a good power-supply (SMPS) to last you the voltage increase and extra load that overclocking generates. As we know, SMPS looses its power-output with time, unless u have enough power in the SMPS, overclocking is not a good deal!!
On the above point, the SMPS must also provide a stable power all the time... The SMPS mayb rated for 600W, but should always b able to give 600W at all temperatures!!
2.) The motherboard's power elements (capacitors, resitors...) should b able to survive the voltage surge for 3yrs (think in terms of hrs of usage in 3 yrs)
3.) Processor gates are pretty sensitive to voltage changes... The gates are made to stretch when overclocked and Im sure no1 in the world can bet if low clocked, higher cached CPU will survive the stretch for more than 3yrs. Im sure FUNKY may have used his overclocked b**ch rig for more than 3 yrs (or mayb he hasnt coz hez a enthusiast who changes the parts every 6 months)... but then a processor (if it could speak) will tell you, slightest voltage increase is like putting something up his backside!!
4.) Data corruption will occur after sometime coz u never know what could fail....
So, dont overclock as much as u can at the moment... You never know when it can fail you... Also for overclocking u need really good mobo (nice capacitors and the like...say Foxconn)
So to sum up your query... the X2 3600+ should b more stable in the long term to overclock (lesser cache, Hypertransport and integrated memory controller) but then surely the jetway/biostar etc... mobos not good for the overclock!!
1.) You need a good power-supply (SMPS) to last you the voltage increase and extra load that overclocking generates. As we know, SMPS looses its power-output with time, unless u have enough power in the SMPS, overclocking is not a good deal!!
On the above point, the SMPS must also provide a stable power all the time... The SMPS mayb rated for 600W, but should always b able to give 600W at all temperatures!!
2.) The motherboard's power elements (capacitors, resitors...) should b able to survive the voltage surge for 3yrs (think in terms of hrs of usage in 3 yrs)
3.) Processor gates are pretty sensitive to voltage changes... The gates are made to stretch when overclocked and Im sure no1 in the world can bet if low clocked, higher cached CPU will survive the stretch for more than 3yrs. Im sure FUNKY may have used his overclocked b**ch rig for more than 3 yrs (or mayb he hasnt coz hez a enthusiast who changes the parts every 6 months)... but then a processor (if it could speak) will tell you, slightest voltage increase is like putting something up his backside!!
4.) Data corruption will occur after sometime coz u never know what could fail....
So, dont overclock as much as u can at the moment... You never know when it can fail you... Also for overclocking u need really good mobo (nice capacitors and the like...say Foxconn)
So to sum up your query... the X2 3600+ should b more stable in the long term to overclock (lesser cache, Hypertransport and integrated memory controller) but then surely the jetway/biostar etc... mobos not good for the overclock!!
biostar and jetway not good to overclock??? read around man...these are some of the best mainstream overclocking boards available for x2's
as for data corruption???data being stored and data being processed which fails due to faulty processor are 2 different things...nothing is gonna happen when u move arnd ur data from one storage device to another if thats wat u meant...
pts 1 2 and 3 are very well written
as for data corruption???data being stored and data being processed which fails due to faulty processor are 2 different things...nothing is gonna happen when u move arnd ur data from one storage device to another if thats wat u meant...
pts 1 2 and 3 are very well written
OT : sunbiz_3000 - "3.) Processor gates are pretty sensitive to voltage changes... The gates are made to stretch when overclocked and Im sure no1 in the world can bet if low clocked, higher cached CPU will survive the stretch for more than 3yrs. Im sure FUNKY may have used his overclocked b**ch rig for more than 3 yrs (or mayb he hasnt coz hez a enthusiast who changes the parts every 6 months)... but then a processor (if it could speak) will tell you, slightest voltage increase is like putting something up his backside!!"
:rofl: hehe.. hilarious!! :hap2:
p.s. biostar + jetway are amazing oc boards!!!!! where did u read that they are not good.. ??
:rofl: hehe.. hilarious!! :hap2:
p.s. biostar + jetway are amazing oc boards!!!!! where did u read that they are not good.. ??
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lol i have sold my oced systems to many people and still yet to see a person telling me , dude ur processor died........
Not a single one.
The expected life of these processors is way beyond the 3 year warranty you get. These processors are designed for life of around 10 years. Ok so you shave off 25-30% life due to overclocking. Still its way more than even a slight enthusiast user will keep his system for.
I dont see too many PIII or willies around here do i?
You wana kill the processor? the only sure shot way to do that is buy uber ocing mobo and kill it by maxing out the vcore. Then it will die. Not before that.
I have never used the same processor for even 2 years ever. But that does not mean i am doing it only bcoz i know i am selling it off after a while.
I do it bcoz i get the performance now and even after overclocking the processor is not gona die any time soon.
For first point of sunbiz : These brisbanes are not power hungry, neither is the board. And if you are not going to add any GPU they will overclock happily on the simple powersafe even with decent GPU. Hell i am at 2.6Ghz on generic iball.
Point 2 : Most of enthusiast board are designed keeping in mind they are going to be overclocked. And motherboards die even at stock as frequently as it will at oced speeds. There are too many smaller components on motherboard which tend to fail. Thats why the failure rate of motherboard is much higher than other parts.
Point 4 : Thats exactly why we run Prime 95 or orthos, to check the stability to avoid accidental data loss.
Not a single one.
The expected life of these processors is way beyond the 3 year warranty you get. These processors are designed for life of around 10 years. Ok so you shave off 25-30% life due to overclocking. Still its way more than even a slight enthusiast user will keep his system for.
I dont see too many PIII or willies around here do i?
You wana kill the processor? the only sure shot way to do that is buy uber ocing mobo and kill it by maxing out the vcore. Then it will die. Not before that.
I have never used the same processor for even 2 years ever. But that does not mean i am doing it only bcoz i know i am selling it off after a while.
I do it bcoz i get the performance now and even after overclocking the processor is not gona die any time soon.
For first point of sunbiz : These brisbanes are not power hungry, neither is the board. And if you are not going to add any GPU they will overclock happily on the simple powersafe even with decent GPU. Hell i am at 2.6Ghz on generic iball.
Point 2 : Most of enthusiast board are designed keeping in mind they are going to be overclocked. And motherboards die even at stock as frequently as it will at oced speeds. There are too many smaller components on motherboard which tend to fail. Thats why the failure rate of motherboard is much higher than other parts.
Point 4 : Thats exactly why we run Prime 95 or orthos, to check the stability to avoid accidental data loss.
sunbiz_3000 said:
Damn, Sunbiz' post was the funniest shit ive ever read :rofl:... !!!
1) Dude? Rofl! What can any1 say to that...
??? ROFL! Proof please? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:...
2) Power Surge? Its not like people are pushing through Double the voltage. :rofl:... 1.3 Volts to 1.45 is a power SURGE? :rofl:..
3) I dont even know what to say to that? :rofl:.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
4) Err.. Stability Tests?
Go with the Core 2 Duo mate. You wont regret it.
Undoubtedly, its the better CPU for your requirements. Infact its the better CPU. Period. Lol.
LOL every single CPU i've used since a P3 533 coppermine has been overclocked ~50% for its entire lifetime(2-3 yrs each). As long as thermals are in control and voltages are not excessive, there's never an issue. As far as the X2 is concerned, a cheapo PSU is enough to push a 3600+ to 2.6GHz. Data corruption is never an issue if one thoroughly tests for stability... infact my system is probably more stable than 99% of the systems out there running at stock... Overclocking motherboards are built to last. Most high end boards have higher number of layers as compared to low end boards to account for the extra current. If you see, most of them even have a very stable power supply to the CPU (8-10 phases or a Digital PWM) compared to a typical 3-4 phase power supply in a value mobo. Also if you count the number of RMAs of low end boards compared to high end boards, the fraction of dead low end boards will be a lot higher than high end boards since they are built with poorer components. About PSU output degrading... well there's some truth in it. All electrical/electronic components degrade with use. However statistically the time it'll take for a PSU to fall outside tolerance ranges would probably be a few hundred years 
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.well , check this out
http://www.techenclave.com/forums/need-configuration-for-pc-90242.html#post583204
some one on TE just got it. 4.9k + 4 % vat . 5.1k
http://www.techenclave.com/forums/need-configuration-for-pc-90242.html#post583204
some one on TE just got it. 4.9k + 4 % vat . 5.1k
deepak said:
Pixel said:
They do overclock very well... But the issue is that the power components used on these board are not the best and may not last you very long on extra load.
Funky said:
Brisbanes are not power hungry becoz they are 65nm. But with the decreased diesize and increased voltage (due to overclock) leakage across gates increases... Read here: http://www.ee.princeton.edu/~mrm/tutorial/Sigmetrics2001_tutorial.pdf
And do u consider Jetway and Biostar boards to be enthusiast boards???Funky said:
What can I say... u still a kid I guess... Go study some electronics textbook and books on processor manufacturing and then we can discuss on the same level field!! Till then mayb I do a ROLF :rolf: as well!!Aditya said:
And thats my exact point... Cheap boards aren't high-end and when u choose a high end board to overclock, the cost advantage of overclocking doesn't make much sense... But I know a few ppl here who overclock for fun and not for saving the price!!Chaos said:
Most locally found PSUs have a MTBF rating close to 80000hrs (max life 9yrs) whereas they should b more close to 400000hrs (cooler master: 44yrs)!! Now considering even big cities like Mumbai where we get voltage inc/dec when weather temp changes (BSES, TPC), u can understand the issue. These are the PSUs that u need to avoid. The components for these are home-made and wont last u 3 yrs with a increased load forget about few hundred years...Chaos said:
Will be writing in more about it in the evening.. Gotta go now... Also need to find a few citations to prove the gate stretching for ROLFING guys like Adi!!
hehe.....good fun u having there sunbiz....
these boards are mainstream...so yeah they dont have fancy components....but like some one else had said....boards are usually meant to live a long long life ~5 yrs or so....overclock it and mayb i m looking at 2.5 yrs??which is good enuf for even half an enthusiast....
besides it all depends on how much u increase the voltage and how much the components can take
dont think increasing just the fsb will do much harm
these boards are mainstream...so yeah they dont have fancy components....but like some one else had said....boards are usually meant to live a long long life ~5 yrs or so....overclock it and mayb i m looking at 2.5 yrs??which is good enuf for even half an enthusiast....
besides it all depends on how much u increase the voltage and how much the components can take
dont think increasing just the fsb will do much harm
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