Graphic Cards Corsair 450vx and hgih end graphics cards which require 2 pcie connectors

[Mephistopheles]

All that had to be said has been said in the earlier posts, whether it was from me or you.

Read the entire thread and any links when you are calmer and thinking a bit more clearly.

You started off with confident statements and later seem to be beating a hasty retreat.

To state why one may find your defence weak, esp the 5870 part, "OP asked xyz, so i said ABC", etc- i can give a few examples.

eg. 1>

One guy asks on forums if consuming poison will kill them.

One smart guy says- NO, it won't. I know someone who tried committing suicide once and consumed poison but didn't die.

OP has poison and dies.

People accuse the smartie.

Smartie says- i said he/i consumed and didn't die. I never said OP should consume poison.

eg.2> Someone may stand in the middle of a busy street every day of their life, despite seeing the warning signs and never get run over by any vehicle.

That doesn't mean someone else will be as lucky or the knowledgeable/smart/sensible person will suggest others ignore the warning signs and do the same.

This makes sense only to you I reckon. Either you have some language understanding issues or you are just stupid.

VX450 will run a 5870 smoothly but everything should be at stock. Although in a real-life situation a person who buys a GPU like 5870 will in most cases have the money for a higher rated PSU than the VX450. Running 5870 on VX450 is stretching it to its limits so I don't recommend it.

The only thing i would add here and might not have mentioned previously is-

Say one is running an E8400 rig and is buying 5770 and asks for psu.

Everyone says buy VX450 and they are not wrong (just about adequate for now imho).

But do we buy good quality PSU with "5" years warranty to have to upgrade it year or 2 down the line"

Year or 2 down the line, we mostly have some quad or X6 or x58 setup.

By that time, anyone who affords a good card now will upgrade to a good card of that time.

And then the VX450 might not enough even though there's quite some warranty left.

Would it seem feasible to sell the psu and buy something new then.

Or rather spend a bit more now and make it last longer?

FYI, Some people run 2 5770s on a VX450 (I do not support this, so dont you start underlining )

And "just about adequate"? I can run that config of yours on a FSP Saga II 350W!

BTW, as I have said so many times before it all depends on the budget of the buyer, and how frequently he upgrades his setup.

These are just some thoughts i present and it's for the reader to decide.

Keeping a slight headroom or thinking slightly into the future is not an unwise thing imho.

Why do you think that I'm against people buying a PSU with enough headroom for future upgrades? :S If someone doesn't have the money, then what can he do? Sell his house so that he buys a PSU do that when he upgrades his config in future he doesn't have to upgrade his PSU too?

BTW, its always upto the reader/person who asked a query to decide what he wants to do.

I am not shoving them down someone's throat.

Who is? :S

All-in-all, i had great fun in participating in this discussion.

I guess the apparently wrong or absolutely wrong claims, doubts and mostly both sides have clarified their stand.

I had fun too

Btw I didnt understand what you meant here (the underlined part)

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the right to make a decision.

I simply prefer being safe than sorry.

We gain or lose, as per our own intellect/understanding and can't blame anyone else for our wrong decisions.

All the best to everyone.

All the best to you too

Looking at the new systems we buy now, the CX400 and VX450 are for the entry level gaming rigs from an enthusiast's POV.

VX550 and higher recommended for anyone buying a HD5770 or higher with a new, esp quad-core processor rig.

there is no direct correlation between any product and PSU, depends on full config- we cannot generalise.

What are you doing here then, contradicting yourself?

Stop hiding behind OP or Aces, please speak for yourself

LOL..Im not hiding behind anyone, you seem to have a little imagination of your own

Im very much speaking for myself..

As I said it all depends on the budget, an enthusiast who will be getting himself a 5870 will probably know what PSU he will require and will have a budget for a higher end PSU

As per this statement (underlined), there was no need for you to say what you said in your first post here?

Did the OP ever say that he had a 5870 and needed suggestions regarding what PSU he should buy?

His question was whether or not VX450 had enough in it to power a GPU which required two 6-pin PCI-E connector and as I myself have experience of running a 5850 on it (which required two of these) I wrote he shouldn't have any problem.

You were the first one who brought up the 5870 here, very confidently running on a VX450 at that

Read this particular part of the "discussion" again, and tell me if you can make sense out of you own questions

To be honest, spend little extra and get a beefy Power supply.

This is one part of the system that does not need constant upgrade if you buy a good one to begin with. And its not like it will go to waste. The good PSU will run with better efficiency even if its nowhere near its peak local bearing capacity. I know people who are running HX620 for more than 4 years since the days of E6600.

Hell I sold my HX620 to a person who now uses it on his i7 rig. That is what you can do with good power supply. Its not a waste of money. You get peace of mind. It would have been waste of money in 2005 when all we got was VIP and uber expensive Antec PSUs. Not anymore.

SMPS is the only hardware that has not changed in 2 years in my system (other than my mx518 )

@OP

If you already have VX450, then you can try running your system on it for now and even with future cards like 6700 series as long as you are not running meaty oced i7 or Phenom II X4 setups. But dont count on anything more. It will still make sense to sell the vx450 and upgrade. You will not loose too much money on VX450. It will fetch decent money even in second hand market and you can opt for HX650.

You are putting fate of your entire system in hands of PSU, get it right from the beginning. This is one of the few items where overkill is actually better.

I very much agree

P.S No Offense intended to anyone

 

[Aces170]

I was merely trying to tell the extent to which VX450 can handle things, and I did not intend to in any way whatsoever suggest anyone to run a 5870 on a VX450
If you will deliberately try to find errors in the post I made, there is nothing I can do about that. As I said it all depends on the budget, an enthusiast who will be getting himself a 5870 will probably know what PSU he will require and will have a budget for a higher end PSU

Mephistopheles: I did not bother reading your later posts, but you are just beating around the bush with very vague statements. It's clear you were overstating VX450 ratings. If you did not intend to say something, why state it? You do know you are borderline trolling here.

Pegasus clearly stated for someone who is buying a new 5770 on a quad core rig, it makes sense for a VX 550 for which it does.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Mephistopheles: I did not bother reading your later posts, but you are just beating around the bush with very vague statements. It's clear you were overstating VX450 ratings. If you did not intend to say something, why state it? You do know you are borderline trolling here.

Pegasus clearly stated for someone who is buying a new 5770 on a quad core rig, it makes sense for a VX 550 for which it does.

I do not support running a 5870 over a VX450..but the fact remains that it is capable of doing it

BTW If someone is buying a new 5770 with a quad core, I would recommend wrt the person's budget and what are his plans for the future.

If someone is not going to make major updates to his configuration in the next 1-2 years or does not have a budget for a higher wattage PSU I would honestly (and highly) recommend the person a VX450 as there is still enough headroom for HDD upgrades etc. (Even CX400 will be sufficient with slight headroom for upgrades for a 5770 with a quad core)

Scaring someone with incorrect facts is something I dislike, its not necessary that if someone has a high budget and his work will be sufficiently done with a product which is quite lower in price than his budget, members suggest him a higher-priced product just because "the person had the budget for it"

 

[pegasus]

Mephistopheles sir,

You agree with Shripad sir's views but how are mine different then? :S

Please stick to one side of the debate sir.

I don't think we should suggest the HX620 anymore.

HX620 is outdated now and may be EOL.

The HX650 costs the same maybe and the new HX series with the blue-coloured labels have 7 years warranty as against the original 5 years on the red-colour labelled HX620.

In fact the HX650 also seems like a rebadged HX620 from a quick comparo of the specs/graphs.

The HX750 looks like a very strong and nice PSU for the discerning users just as the HX620 used to be at one point of time.

Looking at the new systems we buy now, the CX400 and VX450 are for the entry level gaming rigs from an enthusiast's POV.

VX550 and higher recommended for anyone buying a HD5770 or higher with a new, esp quad-core processor rig.

It's actually very surprising for me to see that this thread was derailed by someone only on the suggested VX550 for HD5770 or higher card.

As i have said before, just saying HD5770 =! VX450/VX550- it will depend on the full config.

2x PCIe connectors on your card, scales tilt towards VX550 instead of VX450.

I am thinking how many more pages this can go on if Mephistopheles sir and the likes take objection to the part where i had said VX550 "or higher". :rofl:

All said,

Sincere apologies to the OP.

You are still on onboard gfx and you are just speculating on what is not here yet.

If you are worried, you may sell the VX450 and if it's quite new, you may recover most of what you spent (those not on forums do not have that facility).

But for that, you have to be absolutely sure of your upgrade path/plan.

I do not support running a 5870 over a VX450..but the fact remains that it is capable of doing it

BTW If someone is buying a new 5770 with a quad core, I would recommend wrt the person's budget and what are his plans for the future.

If someone is not going to make major updates to his configuration in the next 1-2 years or does not have a budget for a higher wattage PSU I would honestly (and highly) recommend the person a VX450 as there is still enough headroom for HDD upgrades etc. (Even CX400 will be sufficient with slight headroom for upgrades for a 5770 with a quad core)

Scaring someone with incorrect facts is something I dislike, its not necessary that if someone has a high budget and his work will be sufficiently done with a product which is quite lower in price than his budget, members suggest him a higher-priced product just because "the person had the budget for it"

OP, I think Meph sir wants you to sell your VX450 and buy a CX400.

Do think on that too.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Mephistopheles sir,

You agree with Shripad sir's views but how are mine different then? :S

Please stick to one side of the debate sir.

It's actually very surprising for me to see that this thread was derailed by someone only on the suggested VX550 for HD5770 or higher card.

As i have said before, just saying HD5770 =! VX450/VX550- it will depend on the full config.

2x PCIe connectors on your card, scales tilt towards VX550 instead if VX450.

I am thinking how many more pages this can go on if Mephistopheles sir and the likes take objection to the part where i had said VX550 "or higher". :rofl:

I derailed nothing, you were the one with your underlining and "undeniable logic" :rofl:

The number of pages it will go all depends on you, and the time you take to realization

I never expected these many replies from you, but anyways you did so how could I not reply?

 

[Gannu]

Wow! This thread has gone to a second page. :lol:

I completely concur with what pegasus had to say. We reiterate the same posts over and over for different threads. Ultimately, it depends on the OP if he wishes to keep apart a portion of his budget for a safeguard investment such as a PSU which should ideally last him/her for a couple of upgrades. In my case, I got myself a Seasonic 850W unit and I don't think I would upgrade this power supply. Ever. The previous PSU I had - the HX620 saw me through 3 upgrades for over 3 years. It was a gem of a unit. And it still is.

When members suggest a GPU such as the HD5870 to be used with a PSU such as the VX450, I don't think they realise that the power supply's efficiency goes down. I repeat - A power supply works at it's efficient best when it is loaded to 50% of it's rated capacity.

@pegasus: Are you related to Bikeinstein?

 

[pegasus]

I derailed nothing, you were the one with your underlining and "undeniable logic" :rofl:

The number of pages it will go all depends on you, and the time you take to realization

I never expected these many replies from you, but anyways you did so how could I not reply?

But you conveniently avoid giving exact answers to the queries i ask?

Please forget what i said or asked.

Here is a list of what all you said-

"VX450 can handle even HD5870...there is no single GPU it cant handle and wont be able to handle even in the future. But I did not intend to in any way whatsoever suggest anyone to run a 5870 on a VX450"

"I do not support running a 5870 over a VX450..but the fact remains that it is capable of doing it"

"FYI, Some people run 2 5770s on a VX450 (I do not support this, so dont you start underlining)"

"I myself have experience of running a 5850 on it (which required two of these) I wrote he shouldn't have any problem."

"Even CX400 will be sufficient with slight headroom for upgrades for a 5770 with a quad core"

...

"I don't agree with pegasus suggesting spending lil more now and getting at least VX550 over VX450 for something like HD5770+quad core CPU but i very much agree with Shripad sir suggesting we spend a little more now and buy good beefy PSU and everything else he said"

...

 

[Mephistopheles]

But you conveniently avoid giving exact answers to the queries i ask?

Please forget what i said or asked.

Here is a list of what all you said-

"VX450 can handle even HD5870...there is no single GPU it cant handle and wont be able to handle even in the future. But I did not intend to in any way whatsoever suggest anyone to run a 5870 on a VX450"

"I do not support running a 5870 over a VX450..but the fact remains that it is capable of doing it"

"FYI, Some people run 2 5770s on a VX450 (I do not support this, so dont you start underlining)"

"I myself have experience of running a 5850 on it (which required two of these) I wrote he shouldn't have any problem."

"Even CX400 will be sufficient with slight headroom for upgrades for a 5770 with a quad core"

...

"I don't agree with pegasus suggesting spending lil more now and getting at least VX550 over VX450 for something like HD5770+quad core CPU but i very much agree with Shripad sir suggesting we spend a little more now and buy good beefy PSU and everything else he said"

...

What is your query? Im not avoiding anything

VX550 for 5770+quad core is overkill according to me so I do not agree with you

I agree with Shripad that people shouldn't cut corners when buying a PSU as it is one of the most important components, and a little headroom should be kept according to the upgrade pattern and the budget of the person who wants to buy a PSU

When members suggest a GPU such as the HD5870 to be used with a PSU such as the VX450, I don't think they realise that the power supply's efficiency goes down. I repeat - A power supply works at it's efficient best when it is loaded to 50% of it's rated capacity.

Suggesting/recommending something and stating the fact that it will be able to just run are two very very separate things.

This is (the thing you wrote) one of the reasons I wouldn't recommend anyone to use a 5870 on VX450 but this does not mean that the system wont power on.

 

[pegasus]

If someone doesn't have the money, then what can he do? Sell his house so that he buys a PSU do that when he upgrades his config in future he doesn't have to upgrade his PSU too?

OMG- how did i miss this.

Houses in Chandigarh that cheap?

Let's all move to Chandigarh and buy ourselves mansions instead of gaming rigs.

sorry mods- just got carried away by the melodrama. :ashamed:

 

[Mephistopheles]

OMG- how did i miss this.

Houses in Chandigarh that cheap?

Let's all move to Chandigarh and buy ourselves mansions instead of gaming rigs.

sorry mods- just got carried away by the melodrama. :ashamed:

You dont ceaze to amaze me do you :bleh: :lol:

 

[Aces170]

Ok, the topic has run out its course.