Forum Feedback Deal With Hell.Rocker !!!

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malhotraraul

malhotraraul

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Hey Guys,

I am member of TE for quite a few months, keeping track over TE, especially market section, got impressed with so less numbers of deals that lead to fraud.

I planned to buy XFX Nvidia 6200 AGP CARD. I came across a good deal from Hell.Rocker "http://www.techenclave.com/members/hell.rocker.html"

Seeing him as a Hyperactive Member of the forum and since we both didn't have i Trader ratings i asked if i can send him 65% payment first & rest when i get the card & test it & for that he agreed instantly

then he gave me his name & account number as follows ........

United Bank of India Account No. 1953
Kapileshwar Pandey
PatliPutra Colony Branch Patna
cell no. 09308334885

when i went to the bank they told me that they need 15 digit account number, which i conveyed it to him immediately, then he gave me another account number, saying that it was his uncles, which is as follows .....

Anand Kumar
Accnt no. 2351070002024

after making the transfer, i called him on the number he had given 09308334885 & told him that the money is transferred & i will scan the receipt & send it later in the evening, but when i asked his name, he told me NAVNEET

scanned receipt sent to him "http://www.imgx.org/public/view/full/14674"

2 days later (18 Feb 09, 07:46 PM) he mentioned on his thread that the payment had reflected on his uncles account & he will send the card asap, but since that message he has vanished & there is no reply for any of my pm's nor phone calls & he has kept his phone switched off.

his email id : hell.rocker.sid@gmail.com

thread "http://www.techenclave.com/market/fs-xfx-6200-agp-125365.html"

Also attached "all the 3 phone conversations had with him in WAV format"
 

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malhotraraul said:
Also attached "all the 3 phone conversations had with him in WAV format"
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Wow. Funny that such a careful person who remembered to record telephonic conversations should have problems like this. Let's hope Hell.Rocker comes back online and solves this mess. TE's getting quite a few issues like this :no:

On a side note, I would really hate to deal with someone who's recording our telephonic conversations. If the trust is not there, why deal at all?
 
^^ true Naga, However, there would have been no reason for these recordings to show up anywhere, if the deal had gone through fine. He was precautionary hence I dont see the downfall in this.

I think we need to have a new way or few more restrictions on the way we operate the user market.

A suggestions to the mod - Is it possible to gain entry to market based on rep points ? I think post count is something that can easily be achieved, But reps here at TE are hard to come by.
 
Naga said:
Wow. Funny that such a careful person who remembered to record telephonic conversations should have problems like this. Let's hope Hell.Rocker comes back online and solves this mess. TE's getting quite a few issues like this :no:

On a side note, I would really hate to deal with someone who's recording our telephonic conversations. If the trust is not there, why deal at all?
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How would you have trust in a deal. With an itrader rating or knowing you are dealing with a known member. If we go y simple itrader rating then I it would be very difficult for new members to initiate trade.

What the OP did was right(recording the conversation). Though posting the conversations is not something the OP should have done right now.

A detterent could be, to have the first trade in person or the person should be a local. This would help, as at times it is not easy to go to different states to get hold of someone.

As it is not always possible that the seller will find a local buyer for the first trade. In that case, we can put a warning that this a member's firt trade. Let the buyer be wise in case buyer wants to trade with such a user.
 
cases like this are just bad news. maybe people should stop buying from other than the state in which they reside in currently. There will always be people trying to take advantage of the anonymity in online trades like this where seller and buyer do not know each other and dont have to meet each other.
 
There have been so many discussions on this topic..

I say we go with the Rep points ( minimum of 120 points ). I know the number of guys trading then would be less but atleast it would be safer..

Earlier also ( 8 months back ) there were few members but we never had these kinda issues.
 
since you have all the proofs with you i think you can file a case against him "CYBER CRIME "do it

these kind of ass holes need to be punished
 
You have been deceited bro.(forget ur money)
This is the same person using diferent id's who scammed me.

and I m sorry for not posting his details in my scam thread If I had there was possibilty for u being save from the scammer.....

and I just think TE needs a buffer system to deal with this kind of stuff....
 
Isnt it possible to check for multiple accounts by checking the IP, and asking the a/c holders from the IP to explain, and if they dont have a valid explanation then disable any secondary IDs that are originating from the IP???
 
c2quado said:
You have been deceited bro.(forget ur money)

This is the same person using diferent id's who scammed me.

and I m sorry for not posting his details in my scam thread If I had there was possibilty for u being save from the scammer.....

and I just think TE needs a buffer system to deal with this kind of stuff....
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^^Err c2quado you still haven't received either the product or money back then ?
 
So sad... Anyway do keep us posted of what happens so that the mods can decide how to proceed in this matter

@Naga: I side with malhotraraul. He wanted to be safe and so he did all in his power. And if the deal hadn't gone sour the need to share these wav's wouldn't have come up.
 
lets hope the thing gets sorted out. mabe he is sick or something or is in some trouble. i say lets wait and see

ps - and i dont think someone will put up such a stunt for 600 bucks.
 
Also if we could have the address then maybe some TE member from in and around Patna could try to help. I did a ip check and seems like raj.king45 and hell.rocker could be one and the same person.
 
Naga said:
Wow. Funny that such a careful person who remembered to record telephonic conversations should have problems like this. Let's hope Hell.Rocker comes back online and solves this mess. TE's getting quite a few issues like this :no:

On a side note, I would really hate to deal with someone who's recording our telephonic conversations. If the trust is not there, why deal at all?
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Well, what would you have done in raul's place??
 
djmykey said:
@Naga: I side with malhotraraul. He wanted to be safe and so he did all in his power. And if the deal hadn't gone sour the need to share these wav's wouldn't have come up.
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malhotraraul has been scammed so obviously I'm also on his side. It was just my personal opinion that I wouldn't want to trade with a person who's so suspicious :) .

In all my online trades since the days of Bazee, I've been scammed just once. It was for 17k and even now I don't prefer ebay and such. No trust, no deal.

I've just had a successful transaction with a new member here without any reps and all outside of TE Market and thru PMs. What I did was, I went thru his posts and their quality. Seemed like he wasn't on TE just for kicks, so I went ahead with the deal.

You have to be careful in your dealings, not paranoid.

@malhotraraul, I fully sympathise with your predicament and hope this gets sorted out asap. Please don't take my personal rant as against you.

Edit: ^^zhops, since I'd have the bank and account details, I'd register a police case and put up a warning here on TE. No patience for scammers too :)!
 
^^^ +1, even when i buy something from someone, I read posts by that member, get sufficient details about that member, if at all anything slightly suspious, better just ignore the deal.. and yes when buying something worth more then 4-5k then should contact some member/friends from that place who can inquire about the same..
 
Naga said:
It was just my personal opinion that I wouldn't want to trade with a person who's so suspicious :)
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we'll both make sure we wont deal in future, but this was my very first deal on TE, just because you had good experience on TE, what does this experience leave me with ????

well, i have his cell phone number & bank account name & numbers, UNION BANK & HDFC, even if he DC his cell number, same number cannot be issued to a new user until 3 months, so not that hard to track him down.

i'll wait one week for him to correct himself then, I'll go by the book .....
 
raul: you haven't mentioned if you have the actual persons name or the name of the person whos bank account was used.
 
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